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On December 14 2011 04:43 raf3776 wrote:
Idra doesnt play his MLG matches and no1 makes a deal out of it. If he did play it would still be pointless so he wouldnt have tried. this time naniwa actually played but didnt try.
I'd feel sad if I go to MLG and my opponent just forfeits the conso match  . I mean, my pocket would be kinda happy, but I'd want the match.
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What he did wasn't against the rules but is terrible PR for himself. Whether he cares or not is a different story of course.
Some progamers do just as well as the villain (i.e. Idra) but what Naniwa did was poor publicity for SC and poor sportsmanship.
Sure the game had no meaning to the tournament, he was going to get the same amount of money (or no money) and end up eliminated anyway. But that was disrespectful to his opponent and the fans who were here to compete / watch a good show. Playing half hearted would've been better than not giving any heart at all.
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IdrA hasn't been getting a lot of hate lately, did they change focus?
Seriously though, Naniwa (and IdrA) forever!
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On December 14 2011 04:43 raf3776 wrote:
Idra doesnt play his MLG matches and no1 makes a deal out of it. If he did play it would still be pointless so he wouldnt have tried. this time naniwa actually played but didnt try.
First of all, a LOT of people don't play their consolation matches, including some Team Liquid members.
Secondly, both TL an Reddit "made a deal out of it", along with shitty lines like "lolooolz is idra afraid to play haypro", "so unprofessional", etc.
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On December 14 2011 04:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:43 raf3776 wrote:
Idra doesnt play his MLG matches and no1 makes a deal out of it. If he did play it would still be pointless so he wouldnt have tried. this time naniwa actually played but didnt try. First of all, a LOT of people don't play their consolation matches, including some Team Liquid members. Secondly, both TL an Reddit "made a deal out of it", along with shitty lines like "lolooolz is idra afraid to play haypro", "so unprofessional", etc.
That small comments from people and entire articles, tweets, and pages blowing up on naniwa is an entire different level. And if a lot of players dont play a pointless match why cant naniwa not play a pointless match?
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People in starcraft get way too butthurt about things like this. I'm not even a naniwa fan but he knew nothing would come from the match. So chances are he wouldnt be playing his heart anyway.
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there's are some points in your life where your decision with sum up your professional career. it's how you react to a bad decision from the higher ups.
he could've played the game and issue a complaint afterwards and everyone would've being on his side.
he could've requested a forfeit.
he could've at least done a different build, that doesn't look like he was spitting at the face of GOM, and you know what. that's why he did it, it was a "**** you* to GOMTV, which is very unprofessional.
seriously naniwa, i would have being on your side if a probe rush has more than 5% of winning, but it simply doesn't, it might even be 0% <.<
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Oh, so he just FELT like not playing the last game.
real professional.
If you think of yourself as a f*cking pro-gamer, you have to give EVERYTHING EVERYTIME you're in a match, or at least ACT like it. The Koreans aren't pissed because of the game itself, because it obviously was meaningless. They're pissed, and I am pissed, because Naniwa does not even have the professionalism to respect his opponent, who like a real professional, was going to give 100%, despite the EVEN BIGGER disappointment he must have felt.
Seriously, is ANYONE going to seriously argue with me that NesTea was not as disappointed as Naniwa?!?! If anything, NesTea is about nine thousand and one times more disappointed. Naniwa had foreigner hopes riding on him, but NesTea had the expectations of the world on his shoulders, and couldn't win a single damn game, and the only game he ended up "winning" was when his f*cking opponent walked out on him. Can you picture how embarrassed he must have felt?
If I was NesTea... I'd be so pissed right about now. Why doesn't anyone think about this from NesTea's POV? Is Naniwa so special that people only care about him? Because I personally don't give a damn about his feelings. The person worst off in this situation is Nestea.
And for the moronic people saying "it's just a game"... he and hundreds of other people around the world make their living out of this game, and thousands more are sacrificing their normal lives to get on that stage. Football, Tennis, etc., they're all just "games" too.
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On December 14 2011 04:49 raf3776 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 raf3776 wrote:
Idra doesnt play his MLG matches and no1 makes a deal out of it. If he did play it would still be pointless so he wouldnt have tried. this time naniwa actually played but didnt try. First of all, a LOT of people don't play their consolation matches, including some Team Liquid members. Secondly, both TL an Reddit "made a deal out of it", along with shitty lines like "lolooolz is idra afraid to play haypro", "so unprofessional", etc. That small comments from people and entire articles, tweets, and pages blowing up on naniwa is an entire different level. And if a lot of players dont play a pointless match why cant naniwa not play a pointless match?
He didn't.
The community has already "shifted"
Anyone flaming naniwa on reddit is getting massivly downvoted and people are supporting naniwa on TL an saying the tourney should have a format that would have made the series matter.
It was 5-7 hours ago that everyone was raging and being butthurt.
Face it, this is the most fickle community I have ever seen, constantly hoping on a bandwagon of what other people are doing.
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Im starting to think that naniwa is a PR genious. So much free attention. Im sure his team and sponsors realize the value off this.
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idra not playing his MLG games isn't really the same. Those games were not streamed or casted or anything really. In addition, this is a Korean tournament and they care a lot about respect for the game, the players and the fans.
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On December 14 2011 04:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:43 raf3776 wrote:
Idra doesnt play his MLG matches and no1 makes a deal out of it. If he did play it would still be pointless so he wouldnt have tried. this time naniwa actually played but didnt try. First of all, a LOT of people don't play their consolation matches, including some Team Liquid members. Secondly, both TL an Reddit "made a deal out of it", along with shitty lines like "lolooolz is idra afraid to play haypro", "so unprofessional", etc.
True, if this was an MLG, nobody would care. Unfortunately, it was a Korean event and a televised match so it was bound to piss ppl off.
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Jeez people need to chill out about this, a pro player had a mental collapse after getting beaten in some very had fought games, that is all. People saying he isn't a pro because of this isn't justified at all. Pros in every sport have mental collapses, what makes them pros is that they can pick themselves up out of that very tough mental position, and be back to playing well in such a short space of time. He essentially through the match - fine. But, for example, look at John McEnroe and some of the mental breakdowns he had on the tennis court over the years; in a 1v1 sport of any kind, any mental breakdown is essentially handing the match to your opponent. But to try and suggest that John McEnroe did not deserve to be a professional player is ludicrous, and the same is true in Naniwa's case.
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On December 14 2011 04:55 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:49 raf3776 wrote:On December 14 2011 04:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 raf3776 wrote:
Idra doesnt play his MLG matches and no1 makes a deal out of it. If he did play it would still be pointless so he wouldnt have tried. this time naniwa actually played but didnt try. First of all, a LOT of people don't play their consolation matches, including some Team Liquid members. Secondly, both TL an Reddit "made a deal out of it", along with shitty lines like "lolooolz is idra afraid to play haypro", "so unprofessional", etc. That small comments from people and entire articles, tweets, and pages blowing up on naniwa is an entire different level. And if a lot of players dont play a pointless match why cant naniwa not play a pointless match? He didn't. The community has already "shifted" Anyone flaming naniwa on reddit is getting massivly downvoted and people are supporting naniwa on TL an saying the tourney should have a format that would have made the series matter. It was 5-7 hours ago that everyone was raging and being butthurt. Face it, this is the most fickle community I have ever seen, constantly hoping on a bandwagon of what other people are doing.
It's always like that just after something has happened and people are exited and explode in utter retardation.
And when they have calmed down they realize they were overreacting and blew it out of proportion.
It's almost never a good idea to comment right after watching/reading something that made you upset because you are not thinking clearly at that moment. But when you have calmed down you can look at it with a more sane approach.
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idra does a lot worse not sure why anyone is complaining at all lol
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Well. Poor Naniwa was probably on tilt after being cheesed by MMA. He was preparing for a macro game when he got hit by the thor + scv train. Still should've played out the last game though.
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On December 14 2011 04:55 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:49 raf3776 wrote:On December 14 2011 04:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 raf3776 wrote:
Idra doesnt play his MLG matches and no1 makes a deal out of it. If he did play it would still be pointless so he wouldnt have tried. this time naniwa actually played but didnt try. First of all, a LOT of people don't play their consolation matches, including some Team Liquid members. Secondly, both TL an Reddit "made a deal out of it", along with shitty lines like "lolooolz is idra afraid to play haypro", "so unprofessional", etc. That small comments from people and entire articles, tweets, and pages blowing up on naniwa is an entire different level. And if a lot of players dont play a pointless match why cant naniwa not play a pointless match? He didn't. The community has already "shifted" Anyone flaming naniwa on reddit is getting massivly downvoted and people are supporting naniwa on TL an saying the tourney should have a format that would have made the series matter. It was 5-7 hours ago that everyone was raging and being butthurt. Face it, this is the most fickle community I have ever seen, constantly hoping on a bandwagon of what other people are doing.
DING DING DING
Now tell him what he's won, Bob.
On December 14 2011 05:00 Legend` wrote:
idra does a lot worse not sure why anyone is complaining at all lol
lol so true
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On December 14 2011 04:59 Inverse1 wrote:
Jeez people need to chill out about this, a pro player had a mental collapse after getting beaten in some very had fought games, that is all. People saying he isn't a pro because of this isn't justified at all. Pros in every sport have mental collapses, what makes them pros is that they can pick themselves up out of that very tough mental position, and be back to playing well in such a short space of time. He essentially through the match - fine. But, for example, look at John McEnroe and some of the mental breakdowns he had on the tennis court over the years; in a 1v1 sport of any kind, any mental breakdown is essentially handing the match to your opponent. But to try and suggest that John McEnroe did not deserve to be a professional player is ludicrous, and the same is true in Naniwa's case.
Honestly i was dissapointed what MC had to say about NaNiwa. I still like MC though but i didn't think he would be that judgemental for such a silly reason. ^^
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On December 14 2011 04:59 Inverse1 wrote:
Jeez people need to chill out about this, a pro player had a mental collapse after getting beaten in some very had fought games, that is all. People saying he isn't a pro because of this isn't justified at all. Pros in every sport have mental collapses, what makes them pros is that they can pick themselves up out of that very tough mental position, and be back to playing well in such a short space of time. He essentially through the match - fine. But, for example, look at John McEnroe and some of the mental breakdowns he had on the tennis court over the years; in a 1v1 sport of any kind, any mental breakdown is essentially handing the match to your opponent. But to try and suggest that John McEnroe did not deserve to be a professional player is ludicrous, and the same is true in Naniwa's case.
John McEnroe doesn't come to a match, spit on the court opposite his opponent, and leave. He rages but has the professionalism to finish his matches. Horrible argument.
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On December 14 2011 05:00 Legend` wrote:
idra does a lot worse not sure why anyone is complaining at all lol
And that's why Idra will also never achieve greatness. At least his rage sessions are funny...ie leaving games where he's obviously a huge favorite to win cuz he thinks he lost LOLOL
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