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Triarier
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria155 Posts
December 13 2011 19:28 GMT
#701
Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.

It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.

I like Naniwa's way more.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:32:02
December 13 2011 19:30 GMT
#702
On December 14 2011 04:27 YoMeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:21 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:20 YoMeR wrote:
Moral of the story...Naniwa is a whiney bitch and needs to suck it up and be a real pro and not some little kid who thinks the world revolves around him.

I haven't seen him whining. Did you even watch the matches or read the interview?


On December 14 2011 04:20 mordk wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:19 Kyle32 wrote:
Quite the overreaction. I'd agree that Naniwa has had some pretty poor manners/behavior in the past but this? He just lost a big tournament and didn't want to playout a game where less was on the line than a ladder game. That's perfectly understandable in my eyes.

Now would it be great to see Naniwa and Nestea playout a long intense game backed by rigorous training and a heartfelt desire to win? Absolutely, but that was never going to happen under those circumstances. He gave his best when the competition mattered and I think that's all he really owed the fans. Play to win, not for show. This isn't professional wrestling. The game is fun to watch because the players have something to play for and when that drive isn't there you just don't get good games as Naniwa stated.

So why not just go to GOM and NesTea and tell them you want to forfeit? Why pull off this stunt?

In SC2 terms: Naniwa has some really poor decision making.

He did but they didn't let him forfeit.

How is anything he did today considered whining? I really don't see it.

Just because he did a "good" interview doesn't mean he isn't a bitch. Actions speak much louder than words...

Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
December 13 2011 19:31 GMT
#703
@idrajit: don't have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously LOLOLOL the gracken has spoken
jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
December 13 2011 19:32 GMT
#704
You wouldnt see these kinds of actions in ANY other sport. How about acting like a professional and earning that paycheck you get paid to play starcraft.
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:36:24
December 13 2011 19:34 GMT
#705
On December 14 2011 04:28 Triarier wrote:
Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.

It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.

I like Naniwa's way more.


So this game was "pointless," but CoCa plays in another tournament throws a game to Byun and gets his Code S spot taken away. That is unfair to CoCa if Naniwa has nothing happen to him because he says it was "pointless" while CoCa was "wanting one more game for practice."
BrauL
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada197 Posts
December 13 2011 19:35 GMT
#706
I don't agree with what Naniwa did... but I also don't believe what he did last night warrants three separate threads on TL. I mean, really? Before the recent "drama" Naniwa was praised for his hard work and determination, his drive is still inspiring. Now because of a few controversial things he did, he won't be seen as the same progamer. He has provided us with tons of great games and he disappoints one night and he is public enemy #1. Cut the guy some slack and let's move on.. tired of this drama!
The Barbarian
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
December 13 2011 19:36 GMT
#707
On December 14 2011 04:34 Kieofire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:28 Triarier wrote:
Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.

It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.

I like Naniwa's way more.


So this game was "pointless," but CoCa plays in another tournament throws a game to Byun and gets his Code S spot taken away in something that had nothing to do with GOM. That is unfair to CoCa if Naniwa has nothing happen to him because he says it was "pointless" while CoCa was "wanting one more game for practice."


Wasn't there a prizepool in the tournament where coca lost that one game on purpose?

And gom didn't take him his code s spot, slayers did it, don't know how gom would have reacted.
Polox
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden115 Posts
December 13 2011 19:36 GMT
#708
On December 14 2011 04:34 Kieofire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:28 Triarier wrote:
Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.

It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.

I like Naniwa's way more.


So this game was "pointless," but CoCa plays in another tournament throws a game to Byun and gets his Code S spot taken away in something that had nothing to do with GOM. That is unfair to CoCa if Naniwa has nothing happen to him because he says it was "pointless" while CoCa was "wanting one more game for practice."


You do know that Nani's match versus Nestea held no significane while CoCa's did? Don't speak about things you don't know anything about.
Coca Cola Classic
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
266 Posts
December 13 2011 19:38 GMT
#709
The Polish Brood War Community is the same as the Swedish SC2 community.
안녕하세요~~
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 13 2011 19:38 GMT
#710
On December 14 2011 04:36 pPingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:34 Kieofire wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:28 Triarier wrote:
Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.

It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.

I like Naniwa's way more.


So this game was "pointless," but CoCa plays in another tournament throws a game to Byun and gets his Code S spot taken away in something that had nothing to do with GOM. That is unfair to CoCa if Naniwa has nothing happen to him because he says it was "pointless" while CoCa was "wanting one more game for practice."


Wasn't there a prizepool in the tournament where coca lost that one game on purpose?


The prizepool was $100 for the tourney, and Coca still won the whole set. Coca's game was at worst equivalent to Naniwa's. If the community is going to be harsh on players, at least be consistent.
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
December 13 2011 19:38 GMT
#711
On December 14 2011 04:36 Polox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:34 Kieofire wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:28 Triarier wrote:
Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.

It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.

I like Naniwa's way more.


So this game was "pointless," but CoCa plays in another tournament throws a game to Byun and gets his Code S spot taken away in something that had nothing to do with GOM. That is unfair to CoCa if Naniwa has nothing happen to him because he says it was "pointless" while CoCa was "wanting one more game for practice."


You do know that Nani's match versus Nestea held no significane while CoCa's did? Don't speak about things you don't know anything about.


So it is still a match that he should have tried in, you didn't see HerO throw his last match away because he was 0-3 did you?
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:39:13
December 13 2011 19:38 GMT
#712
I could be wrong, but hasn't it happened before in gom tournaments that if a group match is meaningless, they don't play it out? Why was it different this time anyway?

Like Gracken said, if you want people to take things seriously, don't have meaningless matches

On December 14 2011 04:38 Kieofire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:36 Polox wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:34 Kieofire wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:28 Triarier wrote:
Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.

It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.

I like Naniwa's way more.


So this game was "pointless," but CoCa plays in another tournament throws a game to Byun and gets his Code S spot taken away in something that had nothing to do with GOM. That is unfair to CoCa if Naniwa has nothing happen to him because he says it was "pointless" while CoCa was "wanting one more game for practice."


You do know that Nani's match versus Nestea held no significane while CoCa's did? Don't speak about things you don't know anything about.


So it is still a match that he should have tried in, you didn't see HerO throw his last match away because he was 0-3 did you?


That match had implications for other people's seeding
SooYoung-Noona!
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
December 13 2011 19:39 GMT
#713
i think hes allowed to do that. it was a strategie. i mean anythings allowed. naniwas looking good also. nice haircut
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
gitarrojoe
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany69 Posts
December 13 2011 19:40 GMT
#714
That is no excuse naniwa...If there is no victory on the line, the fans and the games with the opponent still count as a very important thing. to everyone who thinks its no big deal, imagine your passion is to play a sport and you want to face someone to match the skills. and all that the person is worried about is, that he cant win the whole thing anymore, throws the game like it is nothing. sportsmanship is what i expect of professional players
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:42:42
December 13 2011 19:41 GMT
#715
This whole thing has been disappointing.

Rationality just seemed to have been hurled out the window for some people :|


On December 14 2011 04:38 ffadicted wrote:
I could be wrong, but hasn't it happened before in gom tournaments that if a group match is meaningless, they don't play it out? Why was it different this time anyway?

Like Gracken said, if you want people to take things seriously, don't have meaningless matches

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:38 Kieofire wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:36 Polox wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:34 Kieofire wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:28 Triarier wrote:
Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.

It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.

I like Naniwa's way more.


So this game was "pointless," but CoCa plays in another tournament throws a game to Byun and gets his Code S spot taken away in something that had nothing to do with GOM. That is unfair to CoCa if Naniwa has nothing happen to him because he says it was "pointless" while CoCa was "wanting one more game for practice."


You do know that Nani's match versus Nestea held no significane while CoCa's did? Don't speak about things you don't know anything about.


So it is still a match that he should have tried in, you didn't see HerO throw his last match away because he was 0-3 did you?


That match had implications for other people's seeding


In AOL and Up/Down matches they wouldn't play meaningless matches.
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
December 13 2011 19:42 GMT
#716
I'm starting to think Naniwa isn't as bad at PR as everyone thinks. He may actually be the best one yet in some ways.

Despite being from a very small country (which means almost no "free" supporters), everything he does causes massive amounts of attention. And in the online world, attention is king. Even if you are just slightly into Starcraft for sure you will know who Naniwa and Quantic gaming is by now, every move he makes causes a stir.

No one cares if others BM, do thumbs down or rushes in a game but when Naniwa does it the world almost stops. So I salute you Naniwa, I don't think anyone would have been able to generate this amount of attention and I definitely think this is a great thing for your esports career.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
December 13 2011 19:43 GMT
#717
Idra doesnt play his MLG matches and no1 makes a deal out of it. If he did play it would still be pointless so he wouldnt have tried. this time naniwa actually played but didnt try.
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
CEO
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden16 Posts
December 13 2011 19:44 GMT
#718
Games from which no player gains anything aren't part of the actual tournament. The Nestea-Naniwa game was only part of the event. So Naniwa is right, it wouldn't have been a particularly exciting game.

People should be annoyed at the organizers instead. They're the ones who decided not to have a loser's bracket.
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:47:55
December 13 2011 19:44 GMT
#719
If Naniwa is guilty of anything, it's laziness. Ok, the match didn't mean anything, so why not try out a fun or silly build that no pro would attempt in a match that mattered? It can possibly make for a funny and entertaining match. Can Naniwa actually have fun playing SC2?

Naniwa also showed some disrespect to Nestea, who was prepared to play, and to Gom. But calls for Naniwa's head are more than a little overblown imo.

Besides, it's good to have a polarizing figure like Naniwa in the scene. It makes following SC2 much more interesting.
I'm the benevolent dictator you've been looking for.
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
December 13 2011 19:45 GMT
#720
On December 14 2011 04:38 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:36 pPingu wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:34 Kieofire wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:28 Triarier wrote:
Game was pointless. Better throwing it away with something funny like a proberush than to 4-Gate.

It is the same in Soccer World Championships. After a team is on 6-0 and secured first position in its group, you can watch a horrible B-Team 90 minutes long.

I like Naniwa's way more.


So this game was "pointless," but CoCa plays in another tournament throws a game to Byun and gets his Code S spot taken away in something that had nothing to do with GOM. That is unfair to CoCa if Naniwa has nothing happen to him because he says it was "pointless" while CoCa was "wanting one more game for practice."


Wasn't there a prizepool in the tournament where coca lost that one game on purpose?


The prizepool was $100 for the tourney, and Coca still won the whole set. Coca's game was at worst equivalent to Naniwa's. If the community is going to be harsh on players, at least be consistent.


Pretty sure coca lost and that's what was the biggest problem

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580

Coca had won the first game in the series, and he was also winning the second but then Byun asked him to leave and Coca did. Byun won the third game and advanced to the next round.
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