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Meh...
Another day another drama. How about we focus on the players who...you know...advance in this tournament?
Naniwa is out 0-4. That's it. Done deal. Get off the stage.
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I love Naniwa for what he did, and he is 110% right in doing it. People need to stop be so damn touchy about stuff like this.
Also I dont think this will affect him being invited to tourneys. Esport and sponsors want viewers and hype and Naniwa first of all is an amazing player, and he brings excitment, drama and talk to the table. I mean if he would have 4gated there would have been zero talk about this. a few people would have watched the game and said this or that about nanis and nesteas play and it would have been the end of it. But look at it now, look at all the attention the tourney and that game got. It put light on the blizzard cup and sponsors get something out of that.
I mean idra would never be invited to anything if that was the case.
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Chile8385 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:48 ohokurwrong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:43 blackone wrote:On December 14 2011 03:31 zanga wrote:On December 14 2011 03:25 4of8 wrote:On December 14 2011 03:17 FidoDido wrote:
on a side note, according to snowbird's twitter (gomtv's admin), they have already decided to never invite Naniwa to another special tournament outside of the main GSL tournament due to the negative responses from the Korean viewers.
So what I'm trying to say is... we should stop arguing over this because the verdict has been decided. So you can be disqualified for "invitational tournaments" because the viewers didn't like your behaviour? Shame on you GOMTV... I've gotten the feeling GOMTV cares extremely little for its non-korean audience anyways. There are tons of examples of this (I think most viewers know this).... obviously they get most of their money from koreans I suppose, but don't act as if everything is so "international" then >_>! That's ridiculous. GomTV does so much to please the foreign community it's almost not reasonable anymore. Do you know how much money they spent on having foreigners at everything? they care you say? i have purchased most seasons and they hire bad american casters or people who cant speak english... they care very little about the true quality of the english speaking program. no news/sports team in the entire world have people that are bad speakers like gomtv has. the casters make immature jokes and sometimes dont even know much about the game just saying if they cared they wouldnt let people say the things they say on the us stream like "poopfeast420" or "how do you stop a protoss from sticking his cannon in your rear" if that happened on fox news ppl would freak out and someone would get fired (well maybe not fox news but ye...)
LOL, you just don't like the show you're buying. Maybe you should just stop buying it. I for one am damn grateful about what Mr. Chae and GOMTV do. By now they could just ignore the foreigner scene and live rather healthily.
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The comment about the 4 gate really hits it home.
There is no difference logically, but people see it differently. I'll never understand the soft and easily insulted personalities of koreans and most eSports fans in general.
Edit; Also, the fact he's being banned from Gom invitationals is absolutely ludicrous. This better get reversed in the future.
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Naniwa's done this before. He threw his 7th/8th place matches to HuK back at an MLG (I don't remember which one). Basically he said the placements were meaningless and he had nothing to play for. A lot of people feel that this is "dishonorable" and reflects poorly on his competitive mindset. But it makes sense: why compete if there's nothing to compete for?
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On December 14 2011 04:05 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:48 ohokurwrong wrote:On December 14 2011 03:43 blackone wrote:On December 14 2011 03:31 zanga wrote:On December 14 2011 03:25 4of8 wrote:On December 14 2011 03:17 FidoDido wrote:
on a side note, according to snowbird's twitter (gomtv's admin), they have already decided to never invite Naniwa to another special tournament outside of the main GSL tournament due to the negative responses from the Korean viewers.
So what I'm trying to say is... we should stop arguing over this because the verdict has been decided. So you can be disqualified for "invitational tournaments" because the viewers didn't like your behaviour? Shame on you GOMTV... I've gotten the feeling GOMTV cares extremely little for its non-korean audience anyways. There are tons of examples of this (I think most viewers know this).... obviously they get most of their money from koreans I suppose, but don't act as if everything is so "international" then >_>! That's ridiculous. GomTV does so much to please the foreign community it's almost not reasonable anymore. Do you know how much money they spent on having foreigners at everything? they care you say? i have purchased most seasons and they hire bad american casters or people who cant speak english... they care very little about the true quality of the english speaking program. no news/sports team in the entire world have people that are bad speakers like gomtv has. the casters make immature jokes and sometimes dont even know much about the game just saying if they cared they wouldnt let people say the things they say on the us stream like "poopfeast420" or "how do you stop a protoss from sticking his cannon in your rear" if that happened on fox news ppl would freak out and someone would get fired (well maybe not fox news but ye...) LOL, you just don't like the show you're buying. Maybe you should just stop buying it. I for one am damn grateful about what Mr. Chae and GOMTV do. By now they could just ignore the foreigner scene and live rather healthily.
You couldn't be more wrong, they are living of foreign scene. Korean sc2 following is maybe 5% of our sc2 following.
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On December 14 2011 04:07 Fix637 wrote:
Naniwa's done this before. He threw his 7th/8th place matches to HuK back at an MLG (I don't remember which one). Basically he said the placements were meaningless and he had nothing to play for. A lot of people feel that this is "dishonorable" and reflects poorly on his competitive mindset. But it makes sense: why compete if there's nothing to compete for?
Many people at MLG throw those matches, it seems more a standard then a unique thing.
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Naniwa power.
Anti-establishment. Awkward live interviews.
I love this guy.
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Chile8385 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:08 hrvoje07 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:05 mordk wrote:On December 14 2011 03:48 ohokurwrong wrote:On December 14 2011 03:43 blackone wrote:On December 14 2011 03:31 zanga wrote:On December 14 2011 03:25 4of8 wrote:On December 14 2011 03:17 FidoDido wrote:
on a side note, according to snowbird's twitter (gomtv's admin), they have already decided to never invite Naniwa to another special tournament outside of the main GSL tournament due to the negative responses from the Korean viewers.
So what I'm trying to say is... we should stop arguing over this because the verdict has been decided. So you can be disqualified for "invitational tournaments" because the viewers didn't like your behaviour? Shame on you GOMTV... I've gotten the feeling GOMTV cares extremely little for its non-korean audience anyways. There are tons of examples of this (I think most viewers know this).... obviously they get most of their money from koreans I suppose, but don't act as if everything is so "international" then >_>! That's ridiculous. GomTV does so much to please the foreign community it's almost not reasonable anymore. Do you know how much money they spent on having foreigners at everything? they care you say? i have purchased most seasons and they hire bad american casters or people who cant speak english... they care very little about the true quality of the english speaking program. no news/sports team in the entire world have people that are bad speakers like gomtv has. the casters make immature jokes and sometimes dont even know much about the game just saying if they cared they wouldnt let people say the things they say on the us stream like "poopfeast420" or "how do you stop a protoss from sticking his cannon in your rear" if that happened on fox news ppl would freak out and someone would get fired (well maybe not fox news but ye...) LOL, you just don't like the show you're buying. Maybe you should just stop buying it. I for one am damn grateful about what Mr. Chae and GOMTV do. By now they could just ignore the foreigner scene and live rather healthily. You couldn't be more wrong, they are living of foreign scene. Korean sc2 following is maybe 5% of our sc2 following.
But maybe 5% of the sc2 following actually buys the GSL. The truth is that if GSL didn't sell to foreigners, we'd still watch.
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His logic for just probe rushing is confusing to me, he didn't want fans to see him play half heartedly so instead he plays with no heart at all? Whatever...haha. Personally I don't care that much though, I was sad to see him lose so closely the games before. Naniwa fighting 2012!
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On December 14 2011 04:07 Fix637 wrote:
Naniwa's done this before. He threw his 7th/8th place matches to HuK back at an MLG (I don't remember which one). Basically he said the placements were meaningless and he had nothing to play for. A lot of people feel that this is "dishonorable" and reflects poorly on his competitive mindset. But it makes sense: why compete if there's nothing to compete for?
That's standard procedure. A more accurate comparison would be Idra forfeiting two group matches at IPL.
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It's disrespectful. The least he could've done was go for some wacky build.
That doesn't mean I don't support him anymore though, go Naniwa!
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On December 14 2011 03:48 ohokurwrong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:43 blackone wrote:On December 14 2011 03:31 zanga wrote:On December 14 2011 03:25 4of8 wrote:On December 14 2011 03:17 FidoDido wrote:
on a side note, according to snowbird's twitter (gomtv's admin), they have already decided to never invite Naniwa to another special tournament outside of the main GSL tournament due to the negative responses from the Korean viewers.
So what I'm trying to say is... we should stop arguing over this because the verdict has been decided. So you can be disqualified for "invitational tournaments" because the viewers didn't like your behaviour? Shame on you GOMTV... I've gotten the feeling GOMTV cares extremely little for its non-korean audience anyways. There are tons of examples of this (I think most viewers know this).... obviously they get most of their money from koreans I suppose, but don't act as if everything is so "international" then >_>! That's ridiculous. GomTV does so much to please the foreign community it's almost not reasonable anymore. Do you know how much money they spent on having foreigners at everything? they care you say? i have purchased most seasons and they hire bad american casters or people who cant speak english... they care very little about the true quality of the english speaking program. no news/sports team in the entire world have people that are bad speakers like gomtv has. the casters make immature jokes and sometimes dont even know much about the game just saying if they cared they wouldnt let people say the things they say on the us stream like "poopfeast420" or "how do you stop a protoss from sticking his cannon in your rear" if that happened on fox news ppl would freak out and someone would get fired (well maybe not fox news but ye...)
jesus that was like what GSL January? Maybe they stopped doing those interviews because of how immature it was. Good casters are hard to find, good english casters who are willing to relocate to Korea are even harder. Most of your points are like waaaaayy old anyway, not really worth it to bring it up anymore.
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On December 14 2011 04:02 The_LiNk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:57 Catbus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 01:21 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:19 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable these things are dumb, take for example the NFL teams will almost always player their b or even c squad at the end of the season for multiple reasons, injury, and the fact that unless they're borderline the only time the game matters is when determining play off seeding sometimes. Like the thing Naniwa did happens in every sport, but ironically to much worse a degree. The game didn't matter, he was pissed, let him be for the love of God, people take some stuff way to seriously. People act like Naniwa walked into the game, said Fuck you to Nestea, and then quit the game immediately, that's not what happened, he just tried a really bad all-in. still don't hand the football over to the opposing team and tell them to score a touchdown. They still try to tackle. They still try to execute offensive sets. Thats because players on a team sport always have something to play for, ordinary spots in the a-team. Naniwa had something to play for--an invitation to future GSL tournaments.
Not worker rushing was never a part of the terms and conditions.
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rofl, looking forward to this guy disappearing from the scene pretty quickly.
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Meh it was immature but hell he was mad,
at least he didnt pull a drewbie
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On December 14 2011 04:08 hrvoje07 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:05 mordk wrote:On December 14 2011 03:48 ohokurwrong wrote:On December 14 2011 03:43 blackone wrote:On December 14 2011 03:31 zanga wrote:On December 14 2011 03:25 4of8 wrote:On December 14 2011 03:17 FidoDido wrote:
on a side note, according to snowbird's twitter (gomtv's admin), they have already decided to never invite Naniwa to another special tournament outside of the main GSL tournament due to the negative responses from the Korean viewers.
So what I'm trying to say is... we should stop arguing over this because the verdict has been decided. So you can be disqualified for "invitational tournaments" because the viewers didn't like your behaviour? Shame on you GOMTV... I've gotten the feeling GOMTV cares extremely little for its non-korean audience anyways. There are tons of examples of this (I think most viewers know this).... obviously they get most of their money from koreans I suppose, but don't act as if everything is so "international" then >_>! That's ridiculous. GomTV does so much to please the foreign community it's almost not reasonable anymore. Do you know how much money they spent on having foreigners at everything? they care you say? i have purchased most seasons and they hire bad american casters or people who cant speak english... they care very little about the true quality of the english speaking program. no news/sports team in the entire world have people that are bad speakers like gomtv has. the casters make immature jokes and sometimes dont even know much about the game just saying if they cared they wouldnt let people say the things they say on the us stream like "poopfeast420" or "how do you stop a protoss from sticking his cannon in your rear" if that happened on fox news ppl would freak out and someone would get fired (well maybe not fox news but ye...) LOL, you just don't like the show you're buying. Maybe you should just stop buying it. I for one am damn grateful about what Mr. Chae and GOMTV do. By now they could just ignore the foreigner scene and live rather healthily. You couldn't be more wrong, they are living of foreign scene. Korean sc2 following is maybe 5% of our sc2 following.
where are you getting those numbers from?
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Chile8385 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:16 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:02 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 03:57 Catbus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 01:21 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:19 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable these things are dumb, take for example the NFL teams will almost always player their b or even c squad at the end of the season for multiple reasons, injury, and the fact that unless they're borderline the only time the game matters is when determining play off seeding sometimes. Like the thing Naniwa did happens in every sport, but ironically to much worse a degree. The game didn't matter, he was pissed, let him be for the love of God, people take some stuff way to seriously. People act like Naniwa walked into the game, said Fuck you to Nestea, and then quit the game immediately, that's not what happened, he just tried a really bad all-in. still don't hand the football over to the opposing team and tell them to score a touchdown. They still try to tackle. They still try to execute offensive sets. Thats because players on a team sport always have something to play for, ordinary spots in the a-team. Naniwa had something to play for--an invitation to future GSL tournaments. Not worker rushing was never a part of the terms and conditions.
Well invitationals are exactly that, invitationals. If they think nani gives shit games, KRs hate him, and don't want to invite him, that's their decision to make.
On December 14 2011 04:17 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:02 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 03:57 Catbus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 01:21 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:19 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable these things are dumb, take for example the NFL teams will almost always player their b or even c squad at the end of the season for multiple reasons, injury, and the fact that unless they're borderline the only time the game matters is when determining play off seeding sometimes. Like the thing Naniwa did happens in every sport, but ironically to much worse a degree. The game didn't matter, he was pissed, let him be for the love of God, people take some stuff way to seriously. People act like Naniwa walked into the game, said Fuck you to Nestea, and then quit the game immediately, that's not what happened, he just tried a really bad all-in. still don't hand the football over to the opposing team and tell them to score a touchdown. They still try to tackle. They still try to execute offensive sets. Thats because players on a team sport always have something to play for, ordinary spots in the a-team. Naniwa had something to play for--an invitation to future GSL tournaments. Are you kidding? How exactly was he supposed to know, this would happen? No rules were broken...you can't just make up a rule after somebody does something and punish them for it.
No rules are needed to decide who GOM invites and who they don't invite.
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On December 14 2011 04:02 The_LiNk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:57 Catbus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 01:21 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:19 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable these things are dumb, take for example the NFL teams will almost always player their b or even c squad at the end of the season for multiple reasons, injury, and the fact that unless they're borderline the only time the game matters is when determining play off seeding sometimes. Like the thing Naniwa did happens in every sport, but ironically to much worse a degree. The game didn't matter, he was pissed, let him be for the love of God, people take some stuff way to seriously. People act like Naniwa walked into the game, said Fuck you to Nestea, and then quit the game immediately, that's not what happened, he just tried a really bad all-in. still don't hand the football over to the opposing team and tell them to score a touchdown. They still try to tackle. They still try to execute offensive sets. Thats because players on a team sport always have something to play for, ordinary spots in the a-team. Naniwa had something to play for--an invitation to future GSL tournaments.
Are you kidding? How exactly was he supposed to know, this would happen? No rules were broken...you can't just make up a rule after somebody does something and punish them for it.
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On December 14 2011 03:57 Catbus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:21 Coca Cola Classic wrote:On December 14 2011 01:19 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable these things are dumb, take for example the NFL teams will almost always player their b or even c squad at the end of the season for multiple reasons, injury, and the fact that unless they're borderline the only time the game matters is when determining play off seeding sometimes. Like the thing Naniwa did happens in every sport, but ironically to much worse a degree. The game didn't matter, he was pissed, let him be for the love of God, people take some stuff way to seriously. People act like Naniwa walked into the game, said Fuck you to Nestea, and then quit the game immediately, that's not what happened, he just tried a really bad all-in. still don't hand the football over to the opposing team and tell them to score a touchdown. They still try to tackle. They still try to execute offensive sets. Thats because players on a team sport always have something to play for, ordinary spots in the a-team.
Apparently he did have something to play for since people are saying he won't be invited to GSL invitational events.
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