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On December 14 2011 03:31 zanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:25 4of8 wrote:On December 14 2011 03:17 FidoDido wrote:
on a side note, according to snowbird's twitter (gomtv's admin), they have already decided to never invite Naniwa to another special tournament outside of the main GSL tournament due to the negative responses from the Korean viewers.
So what I'm trying to say is... we should stop arguing over this because the verdict has been decided. So you can be disqualified for "invitational tournaments" because the viewers didn't like your behaviour? Shame on you GOMTV... I've gotten the feeling GOMTV cares extremely little for its non-korean audience anyways. There are tons of examples of this (I think most viewers know this).... obviously they get most of their money from koreans I suppose, but don't act as if everything is so "international" then >_>!
That's ridiculous. GomTV does so much to please the foreign community it's almost not reasonable anymore. Do you know how much money they spent on having foreigners at everything?
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On December 14 2011 03:41 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:36 ParkwayDrive wrote:
slayers_boxer would have never let this happen.
lost some respect for nani today No 'cause he would do some ridiculous build that wouldn't win him the game anyway...
You know whats funny about this? How much better Boxer has done in GSL than Naniwa.
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I think he's got good enough reasons, the Korean reaction is waayy too hard
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I think the real winner here is Team Liquid and their new ESPORTS account.
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Nani reminds me of Bob Dylan - doesn't give a shit about "fans" and even less about "nay-sayers". Amusing because people still comment as if Nani were to care about/read their thoughts
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On December 14 2011 03:15 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:07 Mattchew wrote:
Anyone comparing this to other sports is completely incorrect. Players in other professional sports are judged and paid on statistics, leadership and ability to win (among other things). For the 0 and 13 colts, none of the games left this season matter to them and barely matter to the teams they play. However the colts players and coaches will still try their absolute hardest because there is a substantial amount of money and job secruity on the line if the players play well and the coaches prove they can coach well.
In golf, the out of contention players get cut from a tournament. In tennis there is no tournament system like this. This result is a complete product of Format of this Blizzard Cup. The amount of money gained doesn't change, there is no official world ranking at stake, there is no team invite or tournament invite that is being gained or missed by winning or losing, this game was a free showmatch.
Should Naniwa have probe rushed, no, even he said this. Should we blame him, no. Blame the tournament and its dumbass format. Pros don't throw games on showmatches.
Pros don't play free showmatches.
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On December 14 2011 03:47 Suvorov wrote:
Nani reminds me of Bob Dylan - doesn't give a shit about "fans" and even less about "nay-sayers". Amusing because people still comment as if Nani were to care about/read their thoughts
If he says he's sorry, literally on his twitter... I'd say that means he cares..
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On December 14 2011 03:43 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:31 zanga wrote:On December 14 2011 03:25 4of8 wrote:On December 14 2011 03:17 FidoDido wrote:
on a side note, according to snowbird's twitter (gomtv's admin), they have already decided to never invite Naniwa to another special tournament outside of the main GSL tournament due to the negative responses from the Korean viewers.
So what I'm trying to say is... we should stop arguing over this because the verdict has been decided. So you can be disqualified for "invitational tournaments" because the viewers didn't like your behaviour? Shame on you GOMTV... I've gotten the feeling GOMTV cares extremely little for its non-korean audience anyways. There are tons of examples of this (I think most viewers know this).... obviously they get most of their money from koreans I suppose, but don't act as if everything is so "international" then >_>! That's ridiculous. GomTV does so much to please the foreign community it's almost not reasonable anymore. Do you know how much money they spent on having foreigners at everything?
they care you say? i have purchased most seasons and they hire bad american casters or people who cant speak english... they care very little about the true quality of the english speaking program. no news/sports team in the entire world have people that are bad speakers like gomtv has. the casters make immature jokes and sometimes dont even know much about the game
just saying if they cared they wouldnt let people say the things they say on the us stream like "poopfeast420" or "how do you stop a protoss from sticking his cannon in your rear" if that happened on fox news ppl would freak out and someone would get fired (well maybe not fox news but ye...)
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On December 14 2011 03:41 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:36 ParkwayDrive wrote:
slayers_boxer would have never let this happen.
lost some respect for nani today No 'cause he would do some ridiculous build that wouldn't win him the game anyway...
But it would entertain us.
The thing is that Naniwa did something really stupid that will effect his invites to tournaments.
You dont throw games even if it doesnt matter, there is something called respect and manners, and mostly in nanis case, heart.
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On December 14 2011 03:09 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
yeah, people will definitely stop watching naniwas games now. i cant imagine anyone tuning in to watch him play in code s after this
I'd watch him, he's a good starcraft player, and thats what matters to me.
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lmao I feel like this is celebrity gossip on E News.
I could just imagine TL fighting to get exclusive rights to interview Naniwa.
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A lot of you are saying you wanted to see a real game between these two. That's naniwas point. He couldn't play a real game because there was no motivator for him to play. Would you rather he played a crappy 'real' game? I know I wouldn't. It wouldn't have been the game you wanted anyway.
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On December 14 2011 03:47 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:15 zestzorb wrote:On December 14 2011 03:07 Mattchew wrote:
Anyone comparing this to other sports is completely incorrect. Players in other professional sports are judged and paid on statistics, leadership and ability to win (among other things). For the 0 and 13 colts, none of the games left this season matter to them and barely matter to the teams they play. However the colts players and coaches will still try their absolute hardest because there is a substantial amount of money and job secruity on the line if the players play well and the coaches prove they can coach well.
In golf, the out of contention players get cut from a tournament. In tennis there is no tournament system like this. This result is a complete product of Format of this Blizzard Cup. The amount of money gained doesn't change, there is no official world ranking at stake, there is no team invite or tournament invite that is being gained or missed by winning or losing, this game was a free showmatch.
Should Naniwa have probe rushed, no, even he said this. Should we blame him, no. Blame the tournament and its dumbass format. Pros don't throw games on showmatches. Pros don't play free showmatches.
If I enter a tournament that paid me $900 bucks just for being in it, I'm not playing any of my matches for free. That $900 bucks is what I'm playing for at the very least.
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On December 14 2011 01:21 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:19 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable these things are dumb, take for example the NFL teams will almost always player their b or even c squad at the end of the season for multiple reasons, injury, and the fact that unless they're borderline the only time the game matters is when determining play off seeding sometimes. Like the thing Naniwa did happens in every sport, but ironically to much worse a degree. The game didn't matter, he was pissed, let him be for the love of God, people take some stuff way to seriously. People act like Naniwa walked into the game, said Fuck you to Nestea, and then quit the game immediately, that's not what happened, he just tried a really bad all-in. still don't hand the football over to the opposing team and tell them to score a touchdown. They still try to tackle. They still try to execute offensive sets.
Thats because players on a team sport always have something to play for, ordinary spots in the a-team.
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On December 14 2011 03:47 Suvorov wrote:
Nani reminds me of Bob Dylan - doesn't give a shit about "fans" and even less about "nay-sayers". Amusing because people still comment as if Nani were to care about/read their thoughts
He says "I am very sorry for this" in the interview which is the main post in this thread... perhaps consider reading that mate 
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NANI FIGHTING! love from sweden
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On December 14 2011 03:50 ZeGzoR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:41 ellirc wrote:On December 14 2011 03:36 ParkwayDrive wrote:
slayers_boxer would have never let this happen.
lost some respect for nani today No 'cause he would do some ridiculous build that wouldn't win him the game anyway... But it would entertain us. The thing is that Naniwa did something really stupid that will effect his invites to tournaments. You dont throw games even if it doesnt matter, there is something called respect and manners, and mostly in nanis case, heart.
I just don't get the whole "respect and manners"-thing. There was nothing to play for. I guess this is an endless discussion though since we all have our opinion and nobody is going to change their mind.
On December 14 2011 03:43 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:41 ellirc wrote:On December 14 2011 03:36 ParkwayDrive wrote:
slayers_boxer would have never let this happen.
lost some respect for nani today No 'cause he would do some ridiculous build that wouldn't win him the game anyway... You know whats funny about this? How much better Boxer has done in GSL than Naniwa.
How is that at all relevant to this discussion?
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I do wonder if part of some fans frustration is that fact that Nani played reasonably well in the first three games he lost. Every time he did his best to come back from a disadvantageous situation ( I still can't believe mma let him kill those thors) and while he lost each game due to crucial errors on his own part ( and good play on his opponents) he fought to the bitter end to try and eke out a win each time. They were not Nani's best games but he showed skill on the general level we've come to expect from him. Probe rushing the final game denied his fans a chance to see one last game of what Nani could do if he put his mind to it.
From a purely spectator persective we saw Nani fight his lil swede heart out and fail and fail and fail and it was time for redemption against an opponent he's proven he can beat. Even if he'd lost it should have been glorious and down to the wire. Instead we got a very anti- climatic last game that didn't do justic to the feirceness with which Nani had previously been fighting.
^ the above is not my personal feelings but merely a theory that for some people Naniwa's probe rush was frustrating because he'd just shown he could do so much better than that.
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On December 14 2011 03:57 Catbus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 01:21 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:19 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable these things are dumb, take for example the NFL teams will almost always player their b or even c squad at the end of the season for multiple reasons, injury, and the fact that unless they're borderline the only time the game matters is when determining play off seeding sometimes. Like the thing Naniwa did happens in every sport, but ironically to much worse a degree. The game didn't matter, he was pissed, let him be for the love of God, people take some stuff way to seriously. People act like Naniwa walked into the game, said Fuck you to Nestea, and then quit the game immediately, that's not what happened, he just tried a really bad all-in. still don't hand the football over to the opposing team and tell them to score a touchdown. They still try to tackle. They still try to execute offensive sets. Thats because players on a team sport always have something to play for, ordinary spots in the a-team.
Naniwa had something to play for--an invitation to future GSL tournaments.
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