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emecee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States222 Posts
December 13 2011 19:18 GMT
#681
On December 14 2011 04:17 StatikKhaos wrote:
Meh it was immature but hell he was mad,
at least he didnt pull a drewbie

What's the difference? They both purposefully forfeited their games.
YoMeR
Profile Joined January 2003
United States263 Posts
December 13 2011 19:19 GMT
#682
If a player did anything like this in any other professional sports they would be punished severely and accordingly to how severe the behavior was.

As a pro you have a responsibility to conduct yourself accordingly and professionally.

This looks like a kid throwing a little whiney tantrum...what about all the fans that stayed up to watch him play? PAID to watch him play? And he just throws the game. This is terrible for E-sports in general and should be severely punished.
Losers are acceptable, Failures are not. And your sir, are a Failure.
Kyle32
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3 Posts
December 13 2011 19:19 GMT
#683
Quite the overreaction. I'd agree that Naniwa has had some pretty poor manners/behavior in the past but this? He just lost a big tournament and didn't want to playout a game where less was on the line than a ladder game. That's perfectly understandable in my eyes.

Now would it be great to see Naniwa and Nestea playout a long intense game backed by rigorous training and a heartfelt desire to win? Absolutely, but that was never going to happen under those circumstances. He gave his best when the competition mattered and I think that's all he really owed the fans. Play to win, not for show. This isn't professional wrestling. The game is fun to watch because the players have something to play for and when that drive isn't there you just don't get good games as Naniwa stated.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
December 13 2011 19:20 GMT
#684
People aren't hating because its you who did it, people are hating because you wasted their time NaNiwa. I've been willing to forgive in the past, but come on... How many times must we be willing to endure this shit with this guy?
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
Vildhjarta
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden126 Posts
December 13 2011 19:20 GMT
#685
is it just me that doesn't care if someone does this? is it really that big of a deal?
No man has ever been entirely and completely himself. Yet each one strives to become that, one in an awkward, the other in a more intelligent way, each as best he can. - Hermann Hesse, Demian
YoMeR
Profile Joined January 2003
United States263 Posts
December 13 2011 19:20 GMT
#686
Moral of the story...Naniwa is a whiney bitch and needs to suck it up and be a real pro and not some little kid who thinks the world revolves around him.
Losers are acceptable, Failures are not. And your sir, are a Failure.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 13 2011 19:20 GMT
#687
On December 14 2011 04:19 Kyle32 wrote:
Quite the overreaction. I'd agree that Naniwa has had some pretty poor manners/behavior in the past but this? He just lost a big tournament and didn't want to playout a game where less was on the line than a ladder game. That's perfectly understandable in my eyes.

Now would it be great to see Naniwa and Nestea playout a long intense game backed by rigorous training and a heartfelt desire to win? Absolutely, but that was never going to happen under those circumstances. He gave his best when the competition mattered and I think that's all he really owed the fans. Play to win, not for show. This isn't professional wrestling. The game is fun to watch because the players have something to play for and when that drive isn't there you just don't get good games as Naniwa stated.

So why not just go to GOM and NesTea and tell them you want to forfeit? Why pull off this stunt?

In SC2 terms: Naniwa has some really poor decision making.
tarian
Profile Joined August 2010
United States67 Posts
December 13 2011 19:21 GMT
#688
On December 14 2011 04:19 YoMeR wrote:
If a player did anything like this in any other professional sports they would be punished severely and accordingly to how severe the behavior was.

As a pro you have a responsibility to conduct yourself accordingly and professionally.

This looks like a kid throwing a little whiney tantrum...what about all the fans that stayed up to watch him play? PAID to watch him play? And he just throws the game. This is terrible for E-sports in general and should be severely punished.

Completely agree, looks like tournaments are going to have to make players sign some sort of contract telling them that they will play to their fullest no matter what. Because people pay to watch these events and such, this is going to be necessary.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:22:29
December 13 2011 19:21 GMT
#689
On December 14 2011 04:20 YoMeR wrote:
Moral of the story...Naniwa is a whiney bitch and needs to suck it up and be a real pro and not some little kid who thinks the world revolves around him.

I haven't seen him whining. Did you even watch the matches or read the interview?


On December 14 2011 04:20 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:19 Kyle32 wrote:
Quite the overreaction. I'd agree that Naniwa has had some pretty poor manners/behavior in the past but this? He just lost a big tournament and didn't want to playout a game where less was on the line than a ladder game. That's perfectly understandable in my eyes.

Now would it be great to see Naniwa and Nestea playout a long intense game backed by rigorous training and a heartfelt desire to win? Absolutely, but that was never going to happen under those circumstances. He gave his best when the competition mattered and I think that's all he really owed the fans. Play to win, not for show. This isn't professional wrestling. The game is fun to watch because the players have something to play for and when that drive isn't there you just don't get good games as Naniwa stated.

So why not just go to GOM and NesTea and tell them you want to forfeit? Why pull off this stunt?

In SC2 terms: Naniwa has some really poor decision making.

He did but they didn't let him forfeit.
emecee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States222 Posts
December 13 2011 19:22 GMT
#690
On December 14 2011 04:19 Kyle32 wrote:
Quite the overreaction. I'd agree that Naniwa has had some pretty poor manners/behavior in the past but this? He just lost a big tournament and didn't want to playout a game where less was on the line than a ladder game. That's perfectly understandable in my eyes.

Now would it be great to see Naniwa and Nestea playout a long intense game backed by rigorous training and a heartfelt desire to win? Absolutely, but that was never going to happen under those circumstances. He gave his best when the competition mattered and I think that's all he really owed the fans. Play to win, not for show. This isn't professional wrestling. The game is fun to watch because the players have something to play for and when that drive isn't there you just don't get good games as Naniwa stated.

So you would be ok if all the NBA team that dosen't have a chance to qualify for the playoffs just forfeit their games? That would make quite a short season wouldn't you think?
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
December 13 2011 19:23 GMT
#691
This time he went too far. I always liked the guy but this was selfish. I feel sorry for people who bet on his grudge match with Nestea. So much for him saying that he threats every match differently and all that crap in the blizzcup interview.
Coca Cola Classic
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
266 Posts
December 13 2011 19:23 GMT
#692
On December 14 2011 04:16 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:02 The_LiNk wrote:
On December 14 2011 03:57 Catbus wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 14 2011 01:21 Coca Cola Classic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:19 Ace.Xile wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg

Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe.

Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats.

Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open
"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee"

Naniwa seems tame in comparison.


You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable


these things are dumb, take for example the NFL teams will almost always player their b or even c squad at the end of the season for multiple reasons, injury, and the fact that unless they're borderline the only time the game matters is when determining play off seeding sometimes. Like the thing Naniwa did happens in every sport, but ironically to much worse a degree. The game didn't matter, he was pissed, let him be for the love of God, people take some stuff way to seriously. People act like Naniwa walked into the game, said Fuck you to Nestea, and then quit the game immediately, that's not what happened, he just tried a really bad all-in.


still don't hand the football over to the opposing team and tell them to score a touchdown. They still try to tackle. They still try to execute offensive sets.



Thats because players on a team sport always have something to play for, ordinary spots in the a-team.


Naniwa had something to play for--an invitation to future GSL tournaments.


Not worker rushing was never a part of the terms and conditions.


It's so dumb to do, no one would think about writing it as part of the terms and conditions. Maybe in the future, there will be an enhanced sportsmanship clause. Also, for the people who say why compete when there's nothing to compete for: you never know who is watching. A potential new sponsor likes you and is interested in your play, a Korean team may be interested in your play and keep you in mind when they're looking to recruit talented foreigners, Other tournaments, investors looking to grow esports, etc
안녕하세요~~
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
December 13 2011 19:24 GMT
#693
"People are just hating because it's me who did it."

I wish he'd stop digging his hole deeper. Get on with your career, earn money playing games and keep yourself to yourself.
Escape
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada306 Posts
December 13 2011 19:24 GMT
#694
come on guys... do you want your woman to fake it or not? that's the bottom line.

mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 13 2011 19:25 GMT
#695
On December 14 2011 04:21 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:20 YoMeR wrote:
Moral of the story...Naniwa is a whiney bitch and needs to suck it up and be a real pro and not some little kid who thinks the world revolves around him.

I haven't seen him whining. Did you even watch the matches or read the interview?


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:20 mordk wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:19 Kyle32 wrote:
Quite the overreaction. I'd agree that Naniwa has had some pretty poor manners/behavior in the past but this? He just lost a big tournament and didn't want to playout a game where less was on the line than a ladder game. That's perfectly understandable in my eyes.

Now would it be great to see Naniwa and Nestea playout a long intense game backed by rigorous training and a heartfelt desire to win? Absolutely, but that was never going to happen under those circumstances. He gave his best when the competition mattered and I think that's all he really owed the fans. Play to win, not for show. This isn't professional wrestling. The game is fun to watch because the players have something to play for and when that drive isn't there you just don't get good games as Naniwa stated.

So why not just go to GOM and NesTea and tell them you want to forfeit? Why pull off this stunt?

In SC2 terms: Naniwa has some really poor decision making.

He did but they didn't let him forfeit.

Where is this information? I haven't seen anything that would indicate he did.

In that case... well GOM is just retarded lol.
Kyle32
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3 Posts
December 13 2011 19:26 GMT
#696
On December 14 2011 04:22 emecee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:19 Kyle32 wrote:
Quite the overreaction. I'd agree that Naniwa has had some pretty poor manners/behavior in the past but this? He just lost a big tournament and didn't want to playout a game where less was on the line than a ladder game. That's perfectly understandable in my eyes.

Now would it be great to see Naniwa and Nestea playout a long intense game backed by rigorous training and a heartfelt desire to win? Absolutely, but that was never going to happen under those circumstances. He gave his best when the competition mattered and I think that's all he really owed the fans. Play to win, not for show. This isn't professional wrestling. The game is fun to watch because the players have something to play for and when that drive isn't there you just don't get good games as Naniwa stated.

So you would be ok if all the NBA team that dosen't have a chance to qualify for the playoffs just forfeit their games? That would make quite a short season wouldn't you think?

It would be disappointing no doubt, but the expectation as a viewer going to those games is entirely different and generally speaking the amount of spectators drops off at that point because less people care. I mean yeah it would have been okay for him to just half ass it and give a mediocre game but I'm really not that upset about not being given that privilege.
YoMeR
Profile Joined January 2003
United States263 Posts
December 13 2011 19:26 GMT
#697
Picture it this way...say the US national soccer team cannot advance from the group stage in the world cup and the last game has "nothing in the line".. imagine them just goofing off the whole game....dicking around, not taking it seriously and it was really obvious. They would let down their fans, the other team, as well as wasting everyone's time and money. A lot goes into making an event like this happen. It isn't just about the players...it's about everyone involved. Naniwa let everyone down in that sense because he couldn't take the little pressure...

This stuff tilts me so hard. He has the dream job...I would kill to be in his position..Doing what you love and making a decent living at it. And being a whiney bitch int he process is just a huge LOLOL to me.

If nani wins the next 2 GSL titles I wouldn't give him any legit credit...and this probably stands true to a lot of other fans as well.
Losers are acceptable, Failures are not. And your sir, are a Failure.
Hydrox911
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom261 Posts
December 13 2011 19:26 GMT
#698
Still a huge fan of naniwa. IMO Koreans are heavily over reacting but that might just be my western thought process and I saw the funny side of it.
No, Your Quote.
jarod
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania766 Posts
December 13 2011 19:26 GMT
#699
nani is maybe the most onest progamer, so stop hating him!
Maru | Life | herO
YoMeR
Profile Joined January 2003
United States263 Posts
December 13 2011 19:27 GMT
#700
On December 14 2011 04:21 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:20 YoMeR wrote:
Moral of the story...Naniwa is a whiney bitch and needs to suck it up and be a real pro and not some little kid who thinks the world revolves around him.

I haven't seen him whining. Did you even watch the matches or read the interview?


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:20 mordk wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:19 Kyle32 wrote:
Quite the overreaction. I'd agree that Naniwa has had some pretty poor manners/behavior in the past but this? He just lost a big tournament and didn't want to playout a game where less was on the line than a ladder game. That's perfectly understandable in my eyes.

Now would it be great to see Naniwa and Nestea playout a long intense game backed by rigorous training and a heartfelt desire to win? Absolutely, but that was never going to happen under those circumstances. He gave his best when the competition mattered and I think that's all he really owed the fans. Play to win, not for show. This isn't professional wrestling. The game is fun to watch because the players have something to play for and when that drive isn't there you just don't get good games as Naniwa stated.

So why not just go to GOM and NesTea and tell them you want to forfeit? Why pull off this stunt?

In SC2 terms: Naniwa has some really poor decision making.

He did but they didn't let him forfeit.



Just because he did a "good" interview doesn't mean he isn't a bitch. Actions speak much louder than words...
Losers are acceptable, Failures are not. And your sir, are a Failure.
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