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On December 13 2011 06:05 Drakey wrote:
*reads the Stephano entry on liquidpedia*
So.... Let me get this straigth, we are comparing this guy with people like Nestea; MVP; DongRaeGu; IdrA; HuK; MC; MMA... While he barely clashed with them? Good going lots!
Now that i got my sarcasm out of the way, let me give my own opinion. I agree, Stephano is a good zerg. We can't deny that he probably eats ladder as every meal and is still hungry after it. And we certainly can't deny that he got some huge hype behind him. But guy's, we are comparing a player who broke out only a bit more then 6 months ago! Yes he has an interesting game play, yes, he's constantly evolving... But hey! So is EVERYONE! But lets be honest... Has Stephano really earned the title of worlds best player? Has he really earned the title of the Foreigners best player? My answer on both is loud and resounding NO. The few results that he earned are in my opinion not enough to decide that! Yes he did great in IPL, but he got beaten a week later by the same dude he defeated... A week! If you have to travel from one spot to another, i don't really think you got enough time to get better in a week.
Now, just let me take this from the original poster:
- mutlitasking
- army splitting
- map awareness.
Those are his greatest strength? Newsflash lads! Thats the greatest strength almost ANY PRO needs to be any close to succesfull... We've seen it with HerO vs Sen. Sen lacks of on map awareness and he loses. (can be biased because i was rooting for Sen)
And lets be honest, how long is the scene going to stay like it is right now? I guess not long with that the BW Pro's are going to join us here in SC2 (If i remember well).
So lets just all take a deep breath, take a step back and watch it objectively. Are the results clear enough to prove what is being thrown around? No! We need to wait a few more months, let him fight there in GSL and the other tourny before we say that he's the #1.
Blame me, flame me all you want, i've said my piece. My own personal opinion is that he's an overhyped player with some skill that hasn't proven enough for the hype he gets. And that will probably be my opinion until he has proven he is worth being up there with IdrA; leenock and them other one's.
Hope you all have a wonderfull evening!
cheers
Drakey!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance
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On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on.
are you stupid?
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On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on.
Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate.
Flawless logic.
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On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic.
Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra.
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On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra.
so hero won vs idra and stephano won vs hero today, so that makes stephano > idra again right?
*sacarsm*
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On December 13 2011 06:09 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:05 Drakey wrote:
*reads the Stephano entry on liquidpedia*
So.... Let me get this straigth, we are comparing this guy with people like Nestea; MVP; DongRaeGu; IdrA; HuK; MC; MMA... While he barely clashed with them? Good going lots!
Now that i got my sarcasm out of the way, let me give my own opinion. I agree, Stephano is a good zerg. We can't deny that he probably eats ladder as every meal and is still hungry after it. And we certainly can't deny that he got some huge hype behind him. But guy's, we are comparing a player who broke out only a bit more then 6 months ago! Yes he has an interesting game play, yes, he's constantly evolving... But hey! So is EVERYONE! But lets be honest... Has Stephano really earned the title of worlds best player? Has he really earned the title of the Foreigners best player? My answer on both is loud and resounding NO. The few results that he earned are in my opinion not enough to decide that! Yes he did great in IPL, but he got beaten a week later by the same dude he defeated... A week! If you have to travel from one spot to another, i don't really think you got enough time to get better in a week.
Now, just let me take this from the original poster:
- mutlitasking
- army splitting
- map awareness.
Those are his greatest strength? Newsflash lads! Thats the greatest strength almost ANY PRO needs to be any close to succesfull... We've seen it with HerO vs Sen. Sen lacks of on map awareness and he loses. (can be biased because i was rooting for Sen)
And lets be honest, how long is the scene going to stay like it is right now? I guess not long with that the BW Pro's are going to join us here in SC2 (If i remember well).
So lets just all take a deep breath, take a step back and watch it objectively. Are the results clear enough to prove what is being thrown around? No! We need to wait a few more months, let him fight there in GSL and the other tourny before we say that he's the #1.
Blame me, flame me all you want, i've said my piece. My own personal opinion is that he's an overhyped player with some skill that hasn't proven enough for the hype he gets. And that will probably be my opinion until he has proven he is worth being up there with IdrA; leenock and them other one's.
Hope you all have a wonderfull evening!
cheers
Drakey!
I thougth you post was well writen until I realised it was fictions when you consider Leenock and Idra in the same level range. But you good you should try to get a job at Fox news tbh
Yeah, maybe it's you who should do that. And learn to interpret is post properly too.
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This thread hurts my brain
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Wow, a new account and a huge wall of text just to yell out how your favorite player is awsome?
He's a pretty good Zerg, in my opinion.
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On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra.
Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan.
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On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan.
Why would Stephano have beaten MC? Obviously he felt like all inning was the best idea, MC is 3-0 all time against him now, and stomped him on Stephano's stream. What reason do you have to believe Stephano would win if he didn't try the all in?
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On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra.
If Idra was that good, he would've qualified for the Blizzcup. And lol at using idra's stats vs MC to prove your point, he's 3-12 against obamatoss.
edit : fixed, thank you
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On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan.
It wasn't dumb all in. It was one of his strategy where if he perceive the other guy is getting slightly greedy, he pushes heavily.
It wasn't dumb neither. He would win alot against most other people. It was MC's miraculous hold that made him look bad.
Stephano played his best card and lost. Saying things like 'if it wasn't for dumb mistake...' is pointless. You can make a similar case for any other people.
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On December 13 2011 06:29 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. If Idra was that good, he would've qualified for the Blizzcup. And lol at using idra's stats vs MC to prove your point, he's 3-10 against obamatoss.
HEY. That's not true. He's 3-12  .
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On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan.
Both Idra and Stephano aren't consistent eneough. Idra loses early too much. Stephano has these ridicolous losses as well.
Stephano wins IPL3(Though I think he lucked out, dodging all the big guns) where Idra fails hard against TheStC. Then, Idra wins macro games against fucking Bomber, while Stephano loses to Boxer in macro games. Now, Idra is behind on metagame and practice, so isn't showin results. Give it a couple more months, and it will all be clearer. I for one, doubt that Stephano can continue having success. (Doubt is not the same as hope, guys. Just pointing that out)
By the way, Stephano hasn't beaten tougher opponents than Idra I think. Bar now, against DRG and Hero. Stephanos' earnings are from 2 tournaments with insane prize pools, and as I said, he lucked out at IPL3.
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On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan.
yes he won more money, but he did not win more meaningful games nor did he win his money in more meaningful tournaments than idra. Meh, I guess Idra playing in code S for not much money just makes Idra bad, I guess Idra having to play the top koreans in MLGs while stephano can't make it out of the open bracket makes Idra bad.
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On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra.
What the fuck?
I was just going to leave it at that but ok I'll elaborate;
Let's assume for a minute that Stephano has played more than 3 (televised) games against MC, which he hasn't, and he's lost them all. That still wouldn't make Idra better than Stephano.
I'm not personally saying that Stephano is better than Idra. I haven't seen enough of him. But saying that it's impossible because Idra has taken a couple of games off of MC in the 15-20 that they've played is...well I have no idea where the fuck you are coming from with that.
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On December 13 2011 06:46 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. What the fuck? I was just going to leave it at that but ok I'll elaborate; Let's assume for a minute that Stephano has played more than 3 (televised) games against MC, which he hasn't, and he's lost them all. That still wouldn't make Idra better than Stephano. I'm not personally saying that Stephano is better than Idra. I haven't seen enough of him. But saying that it's impossible because Idra has taken a couple of games off of MC in the 15-20 that they've played is...well I have no idea where the fuck you are coming from with that.
They've played much less than 15, but meh, idra haters will always hate him and exadurate everything I suppose.
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On December 13 2011 06:51 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:46 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. What the fuck? I was just going to leave it at that but ok I'll elaborate; Let's assume for a minute that Stephano has played more than 3 (televised) games against MC, which he hasn't, and he's lost them all. That still wouldn't make Idra better than Stephano. I'm not personally saying that Stephano is better than Idra. I haven't seen enough of him. But saying that it's impossible because Idra has taken a couple of games off of MC in the 15-20 that they've played is...well I have no idea where the fuck you are coming from with that. They've played much less than 15, but meh, idra haters will always hate him and exadurate everything I suppose.
No they've played exactly 15 games and MC won 12 of them.
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How to point out someone isn't good enough
1. Major LAN wins
2. Beating top player
3. Consistent
4. Money
I have no idea how people can say stephano is bad. He lost to MC because of a failed allin'. He lost to MVP because of BO loss. If anything he played just as well as any code S player. Compared to his dreamhack play this was a level above.
I have to say that according to people that say Stephano is bad, so is every single player expect MVP.
Stephano is one of the best foreigners and one of the best players in the world. Nobody is MVP.
Whos better Idra or Stephano? no idea. they are both good.
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Idra fans and Stephano fans arguing are quite entertaining. Objectively though, Stephano is miles ahead of Idra, and thats coming from someone who doesn't like either players.
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