EPTWhy I Think Stephano is a Really Good SC2 Player - Page 36
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JOJOsc2news
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:58 mrtomjones wrote: MC made that exact same excuse dude. He said he was going to go to less tournaments and train hard. This was near the middle of his slump. He hasn't gone elsewhere much since that comment and has improved a ton once again. SC players train a ton each day. Traveling doesnt allow that. How is that not a valid excuse? -_- Because it's a deliberate choice to value tournaments over practice. It's the same as valuing watching ten episodes of Game of Thrones instead of practicing, it's an explanation for poor results but not an excuse. An excuse would be if there's something out of your control, such as illness, a broken arm or whatnot. There's a difference between an explanation and an excuse. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:12 Longshank wrote: Because it's a deliberate choice to value tournaments over practice. It's the same as valuing watching ten episodes of Game of Thrones instead of practicing, it's an explanation for poor results but not an excuse. An excuse would be if there's something out of your control, such as illness, a broken arm or whatnot. There's a difference between an explanation and an excuse. 2ex·cuse noun \ik-ˈskyüs\ Definition of EXCUSE 1 : the act of excusing 2 a : something offered as justification or as grounds for being excused b plural : an expression of regret for failure to do something c : a note of explanation of an absence 3 : justification, reason It is an excuse for their poor performance. | ||
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
Naniwa and Huk have shown much much more impressive results recently. And it's still not even clear that Stephano showed more potential than, say, Idra or Sen, or Dimaga. Stephano is a great talent, but to say he's a top 10 player, or the greatest foreigner, is ridiculously premature. It's incredible how easily people say these sorts of things. | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:56 mrtomjones wrote: uhhh,... what? ZVP is stephano's best matchup.... ZVP in korea is VERY heavily favored for zergs.... His style of mass upgraded ling has certainly been more influential than anything he has done in the ZvP matchup. I think he's a good all around player, but his ZvP could be a lot better than it is now. | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:20 quancer wrote: Naniwa and Huk have shown much much more impressive results recently. And it's still not even clear that Stephano showed more potential than, say, Idra or Sen, or Dimaga. Stephano is a great talent, but to say he's a top 10 player, or the greatest foreigner, is ridiculously premature. It's incredible how easily people say these sorts of things. Care to list HuK, Naniwa and Stephano achievements from the last 2 / 3 months and come back please ? Stephano is at least on par, if not better. Go get a look at http://www.sc2earnings.com/ for example. Saying that Stephano is best foreigner by far is either a troll or being blinded by fanboism, saying he isn't top10 foreigner atm is either or troll or being blinded by hate :-) | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:56 mrtomjones wrote: uhhh,... what? ZVP is stephano's best matchup.... ZVP in korea is VERY heavily favored for zergs.... Not, it's not. After the fungal nerf and the cheapening of all protoss forge upgrades, Protoss jumped to 52% win rate in korean TLPD results, and it's still going up. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:26 Ylrahc wrote: Care to list HuK, Naniwa and Stephano achievements from the last 2 / 3 months and come back please ? Stephano is at least on par, if not better. Go get a look at http://www.sc2earnings.com/ for example. Saying that Stephano is best foreigner by far is either a troll or being blinded by fanboism, saying he isn't top10 foreigner atm is either or troll or being blinded by hate :-) Yeah because money earned totally shows who's the best... Have you even tried to compare the #1 prize from MLG compared to IPL? | ||
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Subztance
United States139 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:26 Ylrahc wrote: Care to list HuK, Naniwa and Stephano achievements from the last 2 / 3 months and come back please ? Stephano is at least on par, if not better. Go get a look at http://www.sc2earnings.com/ for example. Saying that Stephano is best foreigner by far is either a troll or being blinded by fanboism, saying he isn't top10 foreigner atm is either or troll or being blinded by hate :-) Not to argue technicality but based on his post quancer may have been suggesting Stephano is not the greatest foreigner nor top10 including koreans. Edit: P.S. Happy Birthday lol | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:26 Ylrahc wrote: Care to list HuK, Naniwa and Stephano achievements from the last 2 / 3 months and come back please ? Stephano is at least on par, if not better. Go get a look at http://www.sc2earnings.com/ for example. Saying that Stephano is best foreigner by far is either a troll or being blinded by fanboism, saying he isn't top10 foreigner atm is either or troll or being blinded by hate :-) I think it was top 10 including Korea. | ||
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:26 Ylrahc wrote: Care to list HuK, Naniwa and Stephano achievements from the last 2 / 3 months and come back please ? Stephano is at least on par, if not better. Go get a look at http://www.sc2earnings.com/ for example. Saying that Stephano is best foreigner by far is either a troll or being blinded by fanboism, saying he isn't top10 foreigner atm is either or troll or being blinded by hate :-) I said top 10 in the world, not top 10 foreigner. He's obviously a top 10 foreigner by results alone. In regards to earnings, that's an obfuscation. You choose that statistic because it supports your view, not because you believe it's the best measure of how much weight the tournaments should be given. You cannot say his tournament wins are clearly greater achievements than Huk's consistent Code S runs and MLG win or Naniwa's second at Providence and first in the mini-MLG before Providence, where in both cases he had to beat the absolute cream of the crop to finish like he did. | ||
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:29 sereniity wrote: Yeah because money earned totally shows who's the best... Have you even tried to compare the #1 prize from MLG compared to IPL? He clearly doesn't belong in top 10 foreigner. Right! | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:29 sereniity wrote: Yeah because money earned totally shows who's the best... Have you even tried to compare the #1 prize from MLG compared to IPL? stephano attended 1 mlg. directly after winning ipl. from the open bracket. huk and idra attended 5+ mlgs. from pool play. everytime. Saying that Stephano is best foreigner by far is either a troll or being blinded by fanboism, saying he isn't top10 foreigner atm is either or troll or being blinded by hate :-)[ best comment. | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:29 sereniity wrote: Yeah because money earned totally shows who's the best... Have you even tried to compare the #1 prize from MLG compared to IPL? Have you even gone past the list, click on each player and compare the tournament wins ? I said top 10 in the world, not top 10 foreigner. He's obviously a top 10 foreigner by results alone. Okay, sorry then :-) Well considering MLG and how the brackets / pools are done, I consider Stephano IPL victory to be much more significative. And he won ESWC and IPL4 london qualifiers right after he went back from his trip in US, which is no small feat either. It's a matter of point of view, as always but I do think his achievements are better than Huk's lately, Naniwa being on par. (I was impressed by his MLG performance, that's why I was happy to see him at the blizzard cup, him and Stephano have been lately the best foreigners in my opinion.) I'd personally rank Stephano top5 foreigner and top20 world (as it's very very hard to do a top10, besides MVP MC and Nestea no player has shown constant dominance or accumulation of successes), and his results at the GSL Blizz cup do not prove me wrong :-)) | ||
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:37 Ylrahc wrote: Have you even gone past the list, click on each player and compare the tournament wins ? Okay, sorry then :-) Well considering MLG and how the brackets / pools are done, I consider Stephano IPL victory to be much more significative. And he won ESWC and IPL4 london qualifiers right after he went back from his trip in US, which is no small feat either. It's a matter of point of view, as always but I do think his achievements are better than Huk's lately, Naniwa being on par. (I was impressed by his MLG performance, that's why I was happy to see him at the blizzard cup, him and Stephano have been lately the best foreigners in my opinion.) I'd personally rank Stephano top5 foreigner and top20 world (as it's very very hard to do a top10, besides MVP MC and Nestea no player has shown constant dominance or accumulation of successes), and his results at the GSL Blizz cup do not prove me wrong :-)) Yeah, well then we'll have to agree to disagree on whose recent results have been more impressive. It's important to note that it's not absolutely clear one way or the other, regardless of our separate opinions. What's indisputable, however, is that Stephano has showed some of the best recent results and play among foreigners. The only logical conclusion from the past year is that Stephano is clearly an absolutely elite foreign player and that there is reason to suspect that he could be an elite player in Korea as well, if he decides to play there. Nothing more needs to be said on this topic, and my condolences to Stephano and his fans who've had to suffer the stirred-up controversy of this obvious troll thread. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:09 quancer wrote: Yeah, well then we'll have to agree to disagree on whose recent results have been more impressive. It's important to note that it's not absolutely clear one way or the other, regardless of our separate opinions. What's indisputable, however, is that Stephano has showed some of the best recent results and play among foreigners. The only logical conclusion from the past year is that Stephano is clearly an absolutely elite foreign player and that there is reason to suspect that he could be an elite player in Korea as well, if he decides to play there. Nothing more needs to be said on this topic, and my condolences to Stephano and his fans who've had to suffer the stirred-up controversy of this obvious troll thread. We are used to it but thx for you support quancer | ||
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bonedriven
258 Posts
The reason he lost to stephano was due to his own mistake, he explained though. Source(in chinese): http://s.163.com/11/1212/21/7L3SE77N00314D0E.html edit: add link | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:02 bonedriven wrote: DRG commented on Stephano after Blizzard Cup. He said Stephano's play is solid, but invariant, so it is easy to study his style and find a way to counter. Source(in chinese): http://s.163.com/11/1212/21/7L3SE77N00314D0E.html edit: add link MVP also commented that he could easily be Code S. I would not say best foreigner but somewhere in top 5, and I am no Stephano fan. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:20 Flowjo wrote: Number 1 in the world eh bro? But seriously I'm not downplaying his skill or achievements ( I think he's easily top 3 foreign Zerg if not top 1) but please no more super overhype. The thread maker is clearly an antifan or troll. He have never posted in the Stephano fan club dont fall into his trap. If you want to chat with his rational fans come to his fanclub page | ||
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