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On December 12 2011 21:25 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:16 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:13 g. wrote:
best player in the world.
cant get past the first round playing all bo1's How cute come on haters dont you got more? He looked good fanboy. But he isn't everything you claim he is. He's still nowhere near MVP level. Mind you no one is. Stop claiming he is the best in the world and he will have more fans
so true.
i hate those "best in the world" idiots, they destroy the whole picture of the player...
Why does idra have so many haters? Because some of his fans are the most stupid and call him god of starcraft.
Stephano is good, top level foreigner, can compete with koreans. Isnt that enough? -,-
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On December 12 2011 21:30 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:28 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:25 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 12 2011 21:20 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:18 g. wrote:
buy guise hes liek 90% on tha ladda n he wun ipl3 Atleast in my time Trolls could actaully spell Not sure if serious. Does your time include you? Because you still can't spell. Yea more ad hominem attacks really thats all you got? No it was just pretty hilarious that you actually made fun of somebody for bad spelling when you can't even spell most things correctly anyway. That is all. Bye P.s. why are people still feeding this troll? Topic would contain 3x fewer posts if people ignored this troll. Following my own advice now, lol
Thx you for you wise input in this thread. Im sorry im not born in an english speaking country but I do my best. I hope its good enough for most on these forums but apparently you standard is abit to high for me and im sorry.
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its unimportant if he loses or wins. One side will post they were right the other will deny it. And that they will do after every game. The sad thing is that the haters actually just hate for hating. While the hypers just say awesome for the post count. Poor foreigner lovers and true fans, getting between those.
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On December 12 2011 21:34 KalWarkov wrote:
Stephano is good, top level foreigner, can compete with koreans. Isnt that enough? -,-
It would be, and it is for most people, but it's too fun for trolls to make accounts on TL and post "funny" things such as "stephano USA / stephano best in world at SC2", which intend to get a rise out of everyone else.
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On December 12 2011 21:33 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:31 Spidinko wrote:On December 12 2011 21:28 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:25 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 12 2011 21:20 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:18 g. wrote:
buy guise hes liek 90% on tha ladda n he wun ipl3 Atleast in my time Trolls could actaully spell Not sure if serious. Does your time include you? Because you still can't spell. Yea more ad hominem attacks really thats all you got? What? :D He said pretty much the same thing you did. o.O Against a troll that proberly will banned within a day.
Well at least you learned not to act as a grammar Nazi, especially when you can't spell yourself.
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The only game he really lost was vs MVP he's been completly crush by MVP's mindgame. vs MC it was pretty close though
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On December 12 2011 21:34 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:25 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:16 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:13 g. wrote:
best player in the world.
cant get past the first round playing all bo1's How cute come on haters dont you got more? He looked good fanboy. But he isn't everything you claim he is. He's still nowhere near MVP level. Mind you no one is. Stop claiming he is the best in the world and he will have more fans so true. i hate those "best in the world" idiots, they destroy the whole picture of the player... Why does idra have so many haters? Because some of his fans are the most stupid and call him god of starcraft. Stephano is good, top level foreigner, can compete with koreans. Isnt that enough? -,-
The whole OP was a troll. I can't believe it wasn't closed because it was obvious from the beginning that it was just gonna start a stupid debate.
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On December 12 2011 21:32 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:29 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:27 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:25 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:16 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:13 g. wrote:
best player in the world.
cant get past the first round playing all bo1's How cute come on haters dont you got more? He looked good fanboy. But he isn't everything you claim he is. He's still nowhere near MVP level. Mind you no one is. Stop claiming he is the best in the world and he will have more fans No one in there right mind has claimed he is the best in the world only trolls and anti stephano haters has claimed that to get a reaction. All we have been saying that Stephano is one of the best players in the world and thats a fact. Is he top 10 or top 20 i dont care he is just up there. Every post I have seen from you makes you look like a crazy fanboy so yah.... No one in their right mind would have made this thread. No one in their right mind calls him worlds best. And no one in their right mind calls him terrible. If he were to try a round or two in the GSL it would be easier to place him amongst the best... but not doing GSL=only playing some lans against people with no time to prepare. Personally I hope he goes to GSL. Him, Idra, Huk, and Naniwa could show some good games there. Crazy fanboy? plz go over all my post. I have never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All I have done is providing facts and statistic why he is by fare the best foreigner player and a world class zerg. plz provide me evidence where i come out as a crazy fanboy?
The "by far the best foreigner" part of that post seems to me to be fanboyish. He hasn't won more tournaments than Huk for example and Huk does nothing but travel. There are plenty of foreigners up for top spot. Sen? Thorzain(less so lately), Idra is close, Naniwa(as much as I am not the hugest fan) is very good too. By far best foreigner? I'd disagree.
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On December 12 2011 21:38 JohnMatrix wrote:
The only game he really lost was vs MVP he's been completly crush by MVP's mindgame. vs MC it was pretty close though
And even against MVP he could have won, to hold the BFH push is a matter of luck / spines positioning / zerglings' micro, sometimes he manages to do it, sometimes he doesn't, and once it holds it's almost game over for the terran. Against MC, he could have won, definitely, some may say he should have won. I'd say his builds were solid and he showed he can compete at this level of play, now it's a matter of practice and experience to have the nerves to play at 100% all maps in this kind of tournaments.
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Stephano goin 2-2 ( the same result as MC) is an honorable performance.
The sad part is no more Stephano vs Koreans T_T
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On December 12 2011 21:42 Ylrahc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:38 JohnMatrix wrote:
The only game he really lost was vs MVP he's been completly crush by MVP's mindgame. vs MC it was pretty close though And even against MVP he could have won, to hold the BFH push is a matter of luck / spines positioning / zerglings' micro, sometimes he manages to do it, sometimes he doesn't, and once it holds it's almost game over for the terran. Against MC, he could have won, definitely, some may say he should have won. I'd say his builds were solid and he showed he can compete at this level of play, now it's a matter of practice and experience to have the nerves to play at 100% all maps in this kind of tournaments.
He never holds against MVP dude. Pure lings versus like 10 hellions and a pile of marines? MVP even made a mistake and went for the 3rd beforehand giving him more time.
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On December 12 2011 21:40 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:32 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:29 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:27 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:25 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:16 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:13 g. wrote:
best player in the world.
cant get past the first round playing all bo1's How cute come on haters dont you got more? He looked good fanboy. But he isn't everything you claim he is. He's still nowhere near MVP level. Mind you no one is. Stop claiming he is the best in the world and he will have more fans No one in there right mind has claimed he is the best in the world only trolls and anti stephano haters has claimed that to get a reaction. All we have been saying that Stephano is one of the best players in the world and thats a fact. Is he top 10 or top 20 i dont care he is just up there. Every post I have seen from you makes you look like a crazy fanboy so yah.... No one in their right mind would have made this thread. No one in their right mind calls him worlds best. And no one in their right mind calls him terrible. If he were to try a round or two in the GSL it would be easier to place him amongst the best... but not doing GSL=only playing some lans against people with no time to prepare. Personally I hope he goes to GSL. Him, Idra, Huk, and Naniwa could show some good games there. Crazy fanboy? plz go over all my post. I have never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All I have done is providing facts and statistic why he is by fare the best foreigner player and a world class zerg. plz provide me evidence where i come out as a crazy fanboy? The "by far the best foreigner" part of that post seems to me to be fanboyish. He hasn't won more tournaments than Huk for example and Huk does nothing but travel. There are plenty of foreigners up for top spot. Sen? Thorzain(less so lately), Idra is close, Naniwa(as much as I am not the hugest fan) is very good too. By far best foreigner? I'd disagree.
I only see naniwa being the remotely close one ATM. Traveling is not an excuse. If you can't handle it then you should just stay home.
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On December 12 2011 21:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:40 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:32 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:29 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:27 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:25 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:16 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:13 g. wrote:
best player in the world.
cant get past the first round playing all bo1's How cute come on haters dont you got more? He looked good fanboy. But he isn't everything you claim he is. He's still nowhere near MVP level. Mind you no one is. Stop claiming he is the best in the world and he will have more fans No one in there right mind has claimed he is the best in the world only trolls and anti stephano haters has claimed that to get a reaction. All we have been saying that Stephano is one of the best players in the world and thats a fact. Is he top 10 or top 20 i dont care he is just up there. Every post I have seen from you makes you look like a crazy fanboy so yah.... No one in their right mind would have made this thread. No one in their right mind calls him worlds best. And no one in their right mind calls him terrible. If he were to try a round or two in the GSL it would be easier to place him amongst the best... but not doing GSL=only playing some lans against people with no time to prepare. Personally I hope he goes to GSL. Him, Idra, Huk, and Naniwa could show some good games there. Crazy fanboy? plz go over all my post. I have never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All I have done is providing facts and statistic why he is by fare the best foreigner player and a world class zerg. plz provide me evidence where i come out as a crazy fanboy? The "by far the best foreigner" part of that post seems to me to be fanboyish. He hasn't won more tournaments than Huk for example and Huk does nothing but travel. There are plenty of foreigners up for top spot. Sen? Thorzain(less so lately), Idra is close, Naniwa(as much as I am not the hugest fan) is very good too. By far best foreigner? I'd disagree. I only see naniwa being the remotely close one ATM. Traveling is not an excuse. If you can't handle it then you should just stay home.
Travelling is an excuse. It means you lose time focusing on the game. A lot of players who have travelled a lot have said this.
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Stephano can hold his own, it's a shame he has no interest in playing GSL.
Naniwa will advance tomorrow. Nestea and Polt won't.
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Personally I think his understanding of ZvT is phenomenal. Same with his ZvZ. Still, Stephano's ZvP will hold him back until he makes some big improvements in that matchup. I think you could say the same for a lot of Zergs right now, though. ZvP just feels so volatile at the moment.
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On December 12 2011 21:52 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 12 2011 21:40 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:32 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:29 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:27 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:25 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:16 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:13 g. wrote:
best player in the world.
cant get past the first round playing all bo1's How cute come on haters dont you got more? He looked good fanboy. But he isn't everything you claim he is. He's still nowhere near MVP level. Mind you no one is. Stop claiming he is the best in the world and he will have more fans No one in there right mind has claimed he is the best in the world only trolls and anti stephano haters has claimed that to get a reaction. All we have been saying that Stephano is one of the best players in the world and thats a fact. Is he top 10 or top 20 i dont care he is just up there. Every post I have seen from you makes you look like a crazy fanboy so yah.... No one in their right mind would have made this thread. No one in their right mind calls him worlds best. And no one in their right mind calls him terrible. If he were to try a round or two in the GSL it would be easier to place him amongst the best... but not doing GSL=only playing some lans against people with no time to prepare. Personally I hope he goes to GSL. Him, Idra, Huk, and Naniwa could show some good games there. Crazy fanboy? plz go over all my post. I have never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All I have done is providing facts and statistic why he is by fare the best foreigner player and a world class zerg. plz provide me evidence where i come out as a crazy fanboy? The "by far the best foreigner" part of that post seems to me to be fanboyish. He hasn't won more tournaments than Huk for example and Huk does nothing but travel. There are plenty of foreigners up for top spot. Sen? Thorzain(less so lately), Idra is close, Naniwa(as much as I am not the hugest fan) is very good too. By far best foreigner? I'd disagree. I only see naniwa being the remotely close one ATM. Traveling is not an excuse. If you can't handle it then you should just stay home. Travelling is an excuse. It means you lose time focusing on the game. A lot of players who have travelled a lot have said this.
He might be playing bad because of it, but that's like saying you're sucking because you're not practicing. It was never an excuse for MC, and it shouldn't be for Huk. If he keeps going around to every tournament like this then there is no one to blame but himself.
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On December 12 2011 21:55 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Personally I think his understanding of ZvT is phenomenal. Same with his ZvZ. Stephano's ZvP will hold him back until he makes some big improvements in that matchup. I think you could say the same for a lot of Zergs right now, though. ZvP just feels so volatile at the moment.
uhhh,... what? ZVP is stephano's best matchup.... ZVP in korea is VERY heavily favored for zergs....
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On December 12 2011 21:56 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:52 Squeegy wrote:On December 12 2011 21:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 12 2011 21:40 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:32 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:29 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:27 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:25 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:16 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:13 g. wrote:
best player in the world.
cant get past the first round playing all bo1's How cute come on haters dont you got more? He looked good fanboy. But he isn't everything you claim he is. He's still nowhere near MVP level. Mind you no one is. Stop claiming he is the best in the world and he will have more fans No one in there right mind has claimed he is the best in the world only trolls and anti stephano haters has claimed that to get a reaction. All we have been saying that Stephano is one of the best players in the world and thats a fact. Is he top 10 or top 20 i dont care he is just up there. Every post I have seen from you makes you look like a crazy fanboy so yah.... No one in their right mind would have made this thread. No one in their right mind calls him worlds best. And no one in their right mind calls him terrible. If he were to try a round or two in the GSL it would be easier to place him amongst the best... but not doing GSL=only playing some lans against people with no time to prepare. Personally I hope he goes to GSL. Him, Idra, Huk, and Naniwa could show some good games there. Crazy fanboy? plz go over all my post. I have never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All I have done is providing facts and statistic why he is by fare the best foreigner player and a world class zerg. plz provide me evidence where i come out as a crazy fanboy? The "by far the best foreigner" part of that post seems to me to be fanboyish. He hasn't won more tournaments than Huk for example and Huk does nothing but travel. There are plenty of foreigners up for top spot. Sen? Thorzain(less so lately), Idra is close, Naniwa(as much as I am not the hugest fan) is very good too. By far best foreigner? I'd disagree. I only see naniwa being the remotely close one ATM. Traveling is not an excuse. If you can't handle it then you should just stay home. Travelling is an excuse. It means you lose time focusing on the game. A lot of players who have travelled a lot have said this. He might be playing bad because of it, but that's like saying you're sucking because you're not practicing. It was never an excuse for MC, and it shouldn't be for Huk. If he keeps going around to every tournament like this then there is no one to blame but himself.
MC made that exact same excuse dude. He said he was going to go to less tournaments and train hard. This was near the middle of his slump. He hasn't gone elsewhere much since that comment and has improved a ton once again. SC players train a ton each day. Traveling doesnt allow that. How is that not a valid excuse? -_-
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On December 12 2011 21:47 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:42 Ylrahc wrote:On December 12 2011 21:38 JohnMatrix wrote:
The only game he really lost was vs MVP he's been completly crush by MVP's mindgame. vs MC it was pretty close though And even against MVP he could have won, to hold the BFH push is a matter of luck / spines positioning / zerglings' micro, sometimes he manages to do it, sometimes he doesn't, and once it holds it's almost game over for the terran. Against MC, he could have won, definitely, some may say he should have won. I'd say his builds were solid and he showed he can compete at this level of play, now it's a matter of practice and experience to have the nerves to play at 100% all maps in this kind of tournaments. He never holds against MVP dude. Pure lings versus like 10 hellions and a pile of marines? MVP even made a mistake and went for the 3rd beforehand giving him more time.
I've seen him hold this same push a lot of times with spines / queens / glings. Stephano early game often relies on his capacity to defend seemly lost situations, and to come out with a better economy / macro. It's very risky, sometimes it holds and it looks like he completely outclasses his opponents (Hero, DRG to a lesser extend today), sometimes it fails and it looks like he is completely outclassed (against MVP today, against Nestea on the ladder a few days ago), the truth is that it is actually very close each time and it depends a lot on the timings of each player.
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On December 12 2011 21:58 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 21:56 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 12 2011 21:52 Squeegy wrote:On December 12 2011 21:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 12 2011 21:40 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:32 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:29 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:27 HappyChris wrote:On December 12 2011 21:25 mrtomjones wrote:On December 12 2011 21:16 HappyChris wrote:
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How cute come on haters dont you got more? He looked good fanboy. But he isn't everything you claim he is. He's still nowhere near MVP level. Mind you no one is. Stop claiming he is the best in the world and he will have more fans No one in there right mind has claimed he is the best in the world only trolls and anti stephano haters has claimed that to get a reaction. All we have been saying that Stephano is one of the best players in the world and thats a fact. Is he top 10 or top 20 i dont care he is just up there. Every post I have seen from you makes you look like a crazy fanboy so yah.... No one in their right mind would have made this thread. No one in their right mind calls him worlds best. And no one in their right mind calls him terrible. If he were to try a round or two in the GSL it would be easier to place him amongst the best... but not doing GSL=only playing some lans against people with no time to prepare. Personally I hope he goes to GSL. Him, Idra, Huk, and Naniwa could show some good games there. Crazy fanboy? plz go over all my post. I have never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All I have done is providing facts and statistic why he is by fare the best foreigner player and a world class zerg. plz provide me evidence where i come out as a crazy fanboy? The "by far the best foreigner" part of that post seems to me to be fanboyish. He hasn't won more tournaments than Huk for example and Huk does nothing but travel. There are plenty of foreigners up for top spot. Sen? Thorzain(less so lately), Idra is close, Naniwa(as much as I am not the hugest fan) is very good too. By far best foreigner? I'd disagree. I only see naniwa being the remotely close one ATM. Traveling is not an excuse. If you can't handle it then you should just stay home. Travelling is an excuse. It means you lose time focusing on the game. A lot of players who have travelled a lot have said this. He might be playing bad because of it, but that's like saying you're sucking because you're not practicing. It was never an excuse for MC, and it shouldn't be for Huk. If he keeps going around to every tournament like this then there is no one to blame but himself. MC made that exact same excuse dude. He said he was going to go to less tournaments and train hard. This was near the middle of his slump. He hasn't gone elsewhere much since that comment and has improved a ton once again. SC players train a ton each day. Traveling doesnt allow that. How is that not a valid excuse? -_-
So? he was playing bad and no one considered him the top player anymore. That's how it goes. There's a million excuses you can throw out for everyone in any situation. Stephano only practices 4-5 a day so he's the best foreigner is the same thing as saying Huk is the best because he plays with a disadvantage.
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