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theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
December 09 2011 07:41 GMT
#601
Uhhhh you know he's forever associated with the Foo Fighters right?
Less money for casters, more money for players.
maneatingshoe
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada484 Posts
December 09 2011 07:41 GMT
#602
On December 09 2011 16:36 Puph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 14:23 NEXUS6 wrote:
forGG was just listening to some Foo Fighters on his stream so now I am a fan.

ok and he was also listening to backstreet boys? lol;) anyways gogo fin. Lets stop the BW/SC2 QQ before it gets out of hand... if it has not already

Haha, I hope he was listening to the pretender.

valheru
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia966 Posts
December 09 2011 07:49 GMT
#603
Fin stands for fucking incredible nerchills. This guy (lets just call him forGG it's easier for the BW guys) is fucking scary good. Maybe maybe not MVP/Nestea level (fuck if I know how it will go) but still really fucking good.
I reject your reality and substitute my own
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 09 2011 08:01 GMT
#604
On December 09 2011 14:47 HardMacro wrote:
I apologize in advance if anyone takes offense from this, but I just had a really good laugh from watch these 2 streams side by side:

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/oGsForGG

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/iNcontroL

L. O. L.

What was the point of this? You enjoy being a dick just because? Why not compare it to 90% of the people streaming and say the exact same thing? Incontrol is a really nice guy and your post is just a stupid troll attempt. Geoff would probably make you look pretty bad too so yah... I guess being tough on the internet is really easy? Gj
Heff87
Profile Joined November 2011
United States106 Posts
December 09 2011 08:07 GMT
#605
It's scary how good Fin looked in some of his GSL games, it's like he's been practicing SC2 for longer than the current pros are, he looks very polished. Only complaint is he changed his name, forGG was so good! xD
VGTA
mewbert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States291 Posts
December 09 2011 08:30 GMT
#606
its kind of weird that he plays with health bars off.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
December 09 2011 08:39 GMT
#607
BW players will plow through starcraft 2 players.

Watching Polt get ripped was predictable, Polt's always been a one dimensional player.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37014 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 08:41:38
December 09 2011 08:41 GMT
#608
On December 09 2011 17:07 Heff87 wrote:
It's scary how good Fin looked in some of his GSL games, it's like he's been practicing SC2 for longer than the current pros are, he looks very polished. Only complaint is he changed his name, forGG was so good! xD


fOrGG, not forGG

And yes, he is amazing
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 09:14:02
December 09 2011 09:13 GMT
#609
It's just nice to see different styles of play for once
Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
December 09 2011 09:14 GMT
#610
You can really see the difference in forGG's gameplay... he really does seem to be a level above most other players.

Specifically, his micro... he's microing units better than anyone. Many terrans simply learn to split his marines for when banelings are coming, but ignore micro the rest of the time... but forGG is constantly microing units. If he's facing any hellions he'll spread units out a little bit, even non-light ones, to avoid AOE. He'll use the pickup-and-drop method with his medivac even if it'll only allow him to get one or two extra shots off.

He really does all the little things right that almost no one else is doing consistently. And his crisis management is among the best I've seen.

I'm waiting to see what kind of comeback potential he has, but no one has managed to get ahead of him in a game yet.
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 09:20:48
December 09 2011 09:15 GMT
#611
On December 09 2011 17:41 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 17:07 Heff87 wrote:
It's scary how good Fin looked in some of his GSL games, it's like he's been practicing SC2 for longer than the current pros are, he looks very polished. Only complaint is he changed his name, forGG was so good! xD


fOrGG, not forGG

And yes, he is amazing
You seriously nitpicking what is capitalized? :/

A lot of BW progamers have weird capitals in their names. Too tedious to type out or even remember.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 09 2011 09:30 GMT
#612
On December 09 2011 18:14 Chocobo wrote:
You can really see the difference in forGG's gameplay... he really does seem to be a level above most other players.

Specifically, his micro... he's microing units better than anyone. Many terrans simply learn to split his marines for when banelings are coming, but ignore micro the rest of the time... but forGG is constantly microing units. If he's facing any hellions he'll spread units out a little bit, even non-light ones, to avoid AOE. He'll use the pickup-and-drop method with his medivac even if it'll only allow him to get one or two extra shots off.

He really does all the little things right that almost no one else is doing consistently. And his crisis management is among the best I've seen.

I'm waiting to see what kind of comeback potential he has, but no one has managed to get ahead of him in a game yet.

uhh pretty sure other players split against all forms of aoe when possible... and from the four games I saw him play the one time he was in any sort of crisis he handled it quite poorly(July getting lings and such into his base) He lost a lot there and made it at least feasible July would win.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 09 2011 09:43 GMT
#613
On December 09 2011 15:00 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm not surprised at all that his BW success has transferred over. fOrGG was definitely on the verge of S-Class when he was playing well in brood war. He always had amazing macro and an impeccable sense of timing. The highest level BW players have incredible work ethics and manual dexterity and the point has been made over and over again but when a super high level player ala Flash or Jaedong or Bisu goes over to SC2 expect them to really start dominating people.

Is he living up to his time attacker nickname in SC2? I don't actually watch SC2 so I'm just curious how his style has changed from game to game.


I'd say he's living up to it as much as the game allows right now. Sc2 doesn't yet have as elaborate midgame timing attacks as BW, right now ForGG plays an ultraagressive style with constant harass, followed up by a strong push that usually wins him the game.

edit: Also, his play is more coherent than we're used to seeing in Sc2, he always seems to have very specific game plans in mind and everything he does with his units is according to that plan. Very cool to see.


well constant harras is 1 way to make your macro shine through. if you can keep making everything you need to make while theres fighting, and the other guy cant, you can just get a lot of free wins that way.

idra could learn a lot from this guy :D and no idra dropping your entire army in his base then remaking it because its only roaches isnt "stretching his multitasking" :D
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 09 2011 09:56 GMT
#614
On December 09 2011 18:43 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 15:00 Orome wrote:
On December 09 2011 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm not surprised at all that his BW success has transferred over. fOrGG was definitely on the verge of S-Class when he was playing well in brood war. He always had amazing macro and an impeccable sense of timing. The highest level BW players have incredible work ethics and manual dexterity and the point has been made over and over again but when a super high level player ala Flash or Jaedong or Bisu goes over to SC2 expect them to really start dominating people.

Is he living up to his time attacker nickname in SC2? I don't actually watch SC2 so I'm just curious how his style has changed from game to game.


I'd say he's living up to it as much as the game allows right now. Sc2 doesn't yet have as elaborate midgame timing attacks as BW, right now ForGG plays an ultraagressive style with constant harass, followed up by a strong push that usually wins him the game.

edit: Also, his play is more coherent than we're used to seeing in Sc2, he always seems to have very specific game plans in mind and everything he does with his units is according to that plan. Very cool to see.


well constant harras is 1 way to make your macro shine through. if you can keep making everything you need to make while theres fighting, and the other guy cant, you can just get a lot of free wins that way.

idra could learn a lot from this guy :D and no idra dropping your entire army in his base then remaking it because its only roaches isnt "stretching his multitasking" :D

you realize zerg has less ways to harass that are effective. Explain how you harass while macroing as a zerg with anything other than zerglings or hidden banes until you get mutas? I don't think harassing is the weakpoint in Idra's game. If he had banshees or reapers I'm sure he would use them sometimes too.
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
December 09 2011 10:12 GMT
#615
On December 09 2011 18:56 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:43 turdburgler wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:00 Orome wrote:
On December 09 2011 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm not surprised at all that his BW success has transferred over. fOrGG was definitely on the verge of S-Class when he was playing well in brood war. He always had amazing macro and an impeccable sense of timing. The highest level BW players have incredible work ethics and manual dexterity and the point has been made over and over again but when a super high level player ala Flash or Jaedong or Bisu goes over to SC2 expect them to really start dominating people.

Is he living up to his time attacker nickname in SC2? I don't actually watch SC2 so I'm just curious how his style has changed from game to game.


I'd say he's living up to it as much as the game allows right now. Sc2 doesn't yet have as elaborate midgame timing attacks as BW, right now ForGG plays an ultraagressive style with constant harass, followed up by a strong push that usually wins him the game.

edit: Also, his play is more coherent than we're used to seeing in Sc2, he always seems to have very specific game plans in mind and everything he does with his units is according to that plan. Very cool to see.


well constant harras is 1 way to make your macro shine through. if you can keep making everything you need to make while theres fighting, and the other guy cant, you can just get a lot of free wins that way.

idra could learn a lot from this guy :D and no idra dropping your entire army in his base then remaking it because its only roaches isnt "stretching his multitasking" :D

you realize zerg has less ways to harass that are effective. Explain how you harass while macroing as a zerg with anything other than zerglings or hidden banes until you get mutas? I don't think harassing is the weakpoint in Idra's game. If he had banshees or reapers I'm sure he would use them sometimes too.

This is basically true for Protoss as well. It's why I like the design of the Terran units better that both Zerg and Protoss. (I am not saying it's unbalanced though, the last winrate-graph showed the different races quite close).
Peleus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia420 Posts
December 09 2011 10:17 GMT
#616
Has any replays of fOrGG been released? Would love to watch / study his play but I'm stuck on limited crappy mobile broadband so I've got no ability to watch vods / streams.

Any links would be appreciated.
BronzeBas
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands76 Posts
December 09 2011 10:23 GMT
#617
What fin did, at least in his games where he didn't open with a cheese, was play an aggressive macro style. Fin is one of the few players I have ever seen force his opponent to make mistakes without going all in.


Bomber being one of them.

But very nice read! I'm actually re watching his GSL vods because of this post
alexanderzero
Profile Joined June 2008
United States659 Posts
December 09 2011 10:28 GMT
#618
The crazy thing about this is that fOrGG's biggest accomplishment since his single Brood War tournament win in 2008 was to get a Ro8 in the OSL. That's pretty impressive, but he is by no means a player who was tearing up the Brood War scene recently. It would be really exciting if guys like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy or any of the other tip-top level players switched.

There are some epic players in Starcraft 2 right now, but hopefully fOrGG's performance will encourage a lot of the more "meh" players to step up their game a little bit.
I am a tournament organizazer.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#619
On December 09 2011 19:12 blackbrrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:56 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:43 turdburgler wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:00 Orome wrote:
On December 09 2011 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm not surprised at all that his BW success has transferred over. fOrGG was definitely on the verge of S-Class when he was playing well in brood war. He always had amazing macro and an impeccable sense of timing. The highest level BW players have incredible work ethics and manual dexterity and the point has been made over and over again but when a super high level player ala Flash or Jaedong or Bisu goes over to SC2 expect them to really start dominating people.

Is he living up to his time attacker nickname in SC2? I don't actually watch SC2 so I'm just curious how his style has changed from game to game.


I'd say he's living up to it as much as the game allows right now. Sc2 doesn't yet have as elaborate midgame timing attacks as BW, right now ForGG plays an ultraagressive style with constant harass, followed up by a strong push that usually wins him the game.

edit: Also, his play is more coherent than we're used to seeing in Sc2, he always seems to have very specific game plans in mind and everything he does with his units is according to that plan. Very cool to see.


well constant harras is 1 way to make your macro shine through. if you can keep making everything you need to make while theres fighting, and the other guy cant, you can just get a lot of free wins that way.

idra could learn a lot from this guy :D and no idra dropping your entire army in his base then remaking it because its only roaches isnt "stretching his multitasking" :D

you realize zerg has less ways to harass that are effective. Explain how you harass while macroing as a zerg with anything other than zerglings or hidden banes until you get mutas? I don't think harassing is the weakpoint in Idra's game. If he had banshees or reapers I'm sure he would use them sometimes too.

This is basically true for Protoss as well. It's why I like the design of the Terran units better that both Zerg and Protoss. (I am not saying it's unbalanced though, the last winrate-graph showed the different races quite close).

Yah I play toss and I feel the same way I think it was Dustin Browder who basically said Terran felt complete and the other two still needed work.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
December 09 2011 10:55 GMT
#620
Holly shit. He beat 3 platers 2:0.
Best player.
QED

The community's opinion is very fickle about who's the best player.
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