Why Fin looks like one of the best in sc2 already - Page 29

On December 09 2011 14:13 windsupernova wrote:
SC2 is easier, so what?

On December 09 2011 14:02 setzer wrote:


Blizzard themselves said they purposely made an easier game. Guess that's that.

On December 09 2011 14:14 Ajnin wrote:

Another person failing to see the original point.

On December 09 2011 14:21 Zzoram wrote:
SC2 is mechanically easier than Broodwar but it's not easier to win, because everyone benefits from that advantage.

Strategically, there are more viable units and more options, and with the spare APM not spent on Broodwar-style macro, they can do some incredible micro and multiprong attacks.

On December 09 2011 14:23 DarkMatter_ wrote:

Except BW pros still showcase superior micro and army control despite the greater difficulty of BW.

Oh, and SC2 is easier to win at the moment because the competition is much weaker. This is true at both the highest level and even at newbie level.

On December 09 2011 14:25 setzer wrote:


Example being sair/reaver. Honestly there isn't anything in SC2 that comes even CLOSE to a well executed sair/reaver build.

On December 09 2011 14:17 DarkMatter_ wrote:

People were posting a twitter response from Forgg as evidence that SC2 is supposedly just as hard as BW. In response, some of us are insisting that that's not true.

On December 09 2011 14:15 DarkMatter_ wrote:

And my point is that SC2 is easier than BW right now. At a competitive level, the competition is inferior to BW. At a newbie level, SC2 is more accessible and the simplified mechanics make it easier to play at a semi-competent level compared to BW. At this point in time, there is absolutely no basis upon which one can say that SC2 is equally hard as BW.

On December 09 2011 14:34 windsupernova wrote:


Warcraft 2 is harder mechanically than BW, so?

The thing is that Mechanically SC2 IS easier, no denying that. Of course I get the point that you are not playing against the UI but against another human being and that the game will be as difficult as your opponent at the moment.

Mechanicall SC2 is easier than BW, mechanically BW is easier than W2. Competitively both games have a thriving scene so in the end it doesn't really matters. Discussing on what game is harder is just a meaningless e peen contest.

I mean I like... both games(ZOMG!!!!11!!!) but seriously there is 0 point in discussing the merits of each game vs the other. BW hasn't been killed off by SC2, SC2 has not been a bomb. Both still have lots of content to give and both have their fanbase. So seriously at this point who cares? Enjoy your game and don't shit on the games other people enjoy.

You guys are not even discussing the game thing. SC2 competition is as fierce as BW competition, thats what they are arguing which is true in a sense. You guys are arguing that SC2 is easier mechanically than BW which is true.

On December 09 2011 14:33 JohnnyPG wrote:


Not yet that is, BW fans need to realize, that SC2 is not done yet, not even close to close, it is only 1/3 complete, and the 2/3 is on its way, but hasnt even hit Beta yet, the new units that are coming with the expansion are going to introduce tons of very micro heavy units. Units like the Swarm Host and Viper are going to make Zerg turn into a "Macro like a beast and win" concept into "Macro like a beast but micro your units very carefully and win". Essentially, Zerg is no longer going to be micro-less once the expansion comes out.

With the new Protoss units, Protoss is also going to turn into a big multitasking fest, because alot of their new units are for harassment, so Protoss pros are really going to have to have really good multitasking to play it at the top level.

And Terran is already very micro oriented haha.

Starcraft 1 was wildly unbalanced and had extremely weak players (compared to what they have now), it wasnt until years and years later did some of the top names join the scene and for the game itself to actually gain a real competitive balance. Starcraft 2 WILL be better, and here is why.

Starcraft 2 WOL was already good, just a little bland in comparison to BW, this is due to many facts, new game, inexperienced pro players, imbalance in many factors, and lack of strategies.

Only a year after release, it is 10X the game in terms of skill ceiling and strategy, and its only 1/3 done.

After they release the expansion, they are fixing SO many of the holes that SC2WOL was facing, Zerg will become very micro heavy, Protoss will need very good multitasking, and Terran are getting some cool new things themselves, this in and of its own is going to make the game MARVELOUS in terms of skill ceiling and skill needed.

And THEN after that gets going, there will be a THIRD expansion, that will undoubtedly fix any and all remaining problems in terms of strategies and balance. And the real top dogs will have emerged by this time.

No, SC2 is not as mechanically demanding as BW, simply because...the BW interface was horribly inefficient. A player with gosu strategy and ideas would simply get mauled by a player that played like a robot but played 14 hours a day to perfect the horrible UI.

In SC2, the more savvy tactician will always prevail, because now that the interface is sleek and efficient, the smarter player will almost always beat the one with the better mechanics.

On December 09 2011 14:35 seffer wrote:



everyone knows that, what is your point?

On December 09 2011 13:57 VPCursed wrote:

I do this and im not even gm.