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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
December 09 2011 04:56 GMT
#541
On December 09 2011 13:53 setzer wrote:
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On December 09 2011 13:43 Ajnin wrote:
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aaaand this is why I don't listen to the opinions of people and mods on this website

lol if people actually try to give some kind of reason otherwise


Go play BW and form your own opinion based on experience instead of one word answers.

Or better yet give the game 10 more years and then we'll know. Leave the worrying to Blizzard.
kofman
Profile Joined August 2011
Andorra698 Posts
December 09 2011 04:56 GMT
#542
what impresses me the most about fin is that he never has idle workers... watch his stream, and every so often, check if he has any idle workers, he will always have none. After telling his workers to do something, he always tells them to go back to mining afterwards. Its a small little thing, but just shows you how meticuluous of a player he is.
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
December 09 2011 04:57 GMT
#543
On December 09 2011 13:56 kofman wrote:
what impresses me the most about fin is that he never has idle workers... watch his stream, and every so often, check if he has any idle workers, he will always have none. After telling his workers to do something, he always tells them to go back to mining afterwards. Its a small little thing, but just shows you how meticuluous of a player he is.

I do this and im not even gm.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 04:59:28
December 09 2011 04:58 GMT
#544
On December 09 2011 13:55 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 13:43 Ajnin wrote:
[image loading]

aaaand this is why I don't listen to the opinions of people and mods on this website

lol if people actually try to give some kind of reason otherwise


from midas' retirement interview: "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. ""

well then

I'd rather take the opinion of someone who played both games professionally over someone who probably played for like a couple days or weeks at most and though it was too easy because of automine or something.
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 05:10:38
December 09 2011 04:59 GMT
#545
On December 09 2011 13:55 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 13:43 Ajnin wrote:
[image loading]

aaaand this is why I don't listen to the opinions of people and mods on this website

lol if people actually try to give some kind of reason otherwise


from midas' retirement interview: "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. ""

well then


Didn't someone translate it better and it turned out to be nothing what you just posted?

edit: nm I looked up. Still similar.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
December 09 2011 05:02 GMT
#546
On December 09 2011 13:58 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 13:55 rauk wrote:
On December 09 2011 13:43 Ajnin wrote:
[image loading]

aaaand this is why I don't listen to the opinions of people and mods on this website

lol if people actually try to give some kind of reason otherwise


from midas' retirement interview: "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. ""

well then

I'd rather take the opinion of someone who played both games professionally over someone who probably played for like a couple days or weeks at most and though it was too easy because of automine or something.


Blizzard themselves said they purposely made an easier game. Guess that's that.
Ajnin
Profile Joined August 2010
81 Posts
December 09 2011 05:04 GMT
#547
On December 09 2011 13:58 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 13:55 rauk wrote:
On December 09 2011 13:43 Ajnin wrote:
[image loading]

aaaand this is why I don't listen to the opinions of people and mods on this website

lol if people actually try to give some kind of reason otherwise


from midas' retirement interview: "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. ""

well then

I'd rather take the opinion of someone who played both games professionally over someone who probably played for like a couple days or weeks at most and though it was too easy because of automine or something.


This, and these rebuttal posts are doing the exact thing I said in my original post. Lol.
Comming from a player that won an MSL and beat Flash/Jaedong multiple times, its just showing that not all brood war pros are as narrow-minded on bw's superiority over sc2 as most people on here seem to think. That's all...really. People are seriously trying to elaborate on a one-worded response...chirst man.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
December 09 2011 05:08 GMT
#548
He's been competing at a professional level for 2 months and he's already been owning a lot of the top players. Compare that with the end of his BW career where he was pretty much Flash's punching bag in the practice house, and incredibly unreliable and inconsistent in proleague. Yep, SC2 is totally not easier than BW.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
December 09 2011 05:09 GMT
#549
On December 09 2011 14:04 Ajnin wrote:
People are seriously trying to elaborate on a one-worded response...chirst man.

That's what you're doing...
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poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 05:11:31
December 09 2011 05:11 GMT
#550
On December 09 2011 14:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
He's been competing at a professional level for 2 months and he's already been owning a lot of the top players. Compare that with the end of his BW career where he was pretty much Flash's punching bag in the practice house, and incredibly unreliable and inconsistent in proleague. Yep, SC2 is totally not easier than BW.


Lets not mix in level of competition and accessibility/difficulty of game though.
Yes starcraft 2 has easier mechanics.

Yes starcraft 2 has a lower level of competition compared to BW right now. However, the level of competition can increase to the point where it is as high as BW.

They are 2 separate things, lets not confuse them.
jonathan1
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
December 09 2011 05:11 GMT
#551
i'm really starting to hate bw players, just go back to your subforum please
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
December 09 2011 05:12 GMT
#552
On December 09 2011 14:04 Ajnin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 13:58 Olinimm wrote:
On December 09 2011 13:55 rauk wrote:
On December 09 2011 13:43 Ajnin wrote:
[image loading]

aaaand this is why I don't listen to the opinions of people and mods on this website

lol if people actually try to give some kind of reason otherwise


from midas' retirement interview: "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. ""

well then

I'd rather take the opinion of someone who played both games professionally over someone who probably played for like a couple days or weeks at most and though it was too easy because of automine or something.


This, and these rebuttal posts are doing the exact thing I said in my original post. Lol.
Comming from a player that won an MSL and beat Flash/Jaedong multiple times, its just showing that not all brood war pros are as narrow-minded on bw's superiority over sc2 as most people on here seem to think. That's all...really. People are seriously trying to elaborate on a one-worded response...chirst man.

Try playing one game of broodwar and come back posting about your experience.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
seffer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States143 Posts
December 09 2011 05:12 GMT
#553
On December 09 2011 14:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
He's been competing at a professional level for 2 months and he's already been owning a lot of the top players. Compare that with the end of his BW career where he was pretty much Flash's punching bag in the practice house, and incredibly unreliable and inconsistent in proleague. Yep, SC2 is totally not easier than BW.



just because the players are worse doesn't make the game easier. If all the pro bw players switched over you'd either have the same people dominating as in BW or you'd have a completely different scene because the games is *different*, not easier. Difficulty is relative according to who is playing against who, it's a competitive game.
Ajnin
Profile Joined August 2010
81 Posts
December 09 2011 05:13 GMT
#554
On December 09 2011 14:09 deL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 14:04 Ajnin wrote:
People are seriously trying to elaborate on a one-worded response...chirst man.

That's what you're doing...

you're really that stupid, are you?

User was warned for this post
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 09 2011 05:13 GMT
#555
SC2 is easier, so what?

It is still a highly competitive game that people train a lot to get better at it. Gosh grow up, if you don't like something no need to go around all day screaming that you hate it, similarly if you like something just... enjoy it, no need to bicker over crap on the internet.

This SC2 vs BW **** was cute and maaaaybe interesting at first, now you have to wonder if the people actually discussing this have anything else going on on their lives.

tl;dr enjoy your crap and stop shitting on the crap other people enjoy
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 05:17:03
December 09 2011 05:14 GMT
#556
It doesn't mean SC2 is easier than BW, it means that the calibre of players he's facing in SC2 is lower than in BW, which is objectively true. SC2's difficulty is different than BW's, but it's still a difficult game. This is evident by all the little mistakes even the best players right now make on a regular basis. If it was easy, these guys would be playing the game perfectly, but it's not because nobody has demonstrated truly consistent and perfect play.

The best BW players came from the largest pool of talent possible, since it had the most prestige and money. When SC2 hit, the only Koreans playing it were the leftovers who couldn't cut it in Broodwar. These players are simply less talented at RTS than the top tier Broodwar players, but they were still really good players. In SC2, where they aren't overshadowed by the superior players, so they are doing amazingly.

As much as people make fun of the performance of guys like MVP and MC in Broodwar, they would've beaten every foreigner in the world 95/100 times if they had tournaments to play against foreigners. Idra lived for 2 years in Korea playing Broodwar and was still one of the worst players on the CJ Entus B-team, and his crowning achievement was losing 1-2 in the first round of an OSL qualifier because he managed to win a game. Broodwar still has the best RTS talent in Korea, and that talent is transferable to SC2.
Ajnin
Profile Joined August 2010
81 Posts
December 09 2011 05:14 GMT
#557
On December 09 2011 14:12 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 14:04 Ajnin wrote:
On December 09 2011 13:58 Olinimm wrote:
On December 09 2011 13:55 rauk wrote:
On December 09 2011 13:43 Ajnin wrote:
[image loading]

aaaand this is why I don't listen to the opinions of people and mods on this website

lol if people actually try to give some kind of reason otherwise


from midas' retirement interview: "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. ""

well then

I'd rather take the opinion of someone who played both games professionally over someone who probably played for like a couple days or weeks at most and though it was too easy because of automine or something.


This, and these rebuttal posts are doing the exact thing I said in my original post. Lol.
Comming from a player that won an MSL and beat Flash/Jaedong multiple times, its just showing that not all brood war pros are as narrow-minded on bw's superiority over sc2 as most people on here seem to think. That's all...really. People are seriously trying to elaborate on a one-worded response...chirst man.

Try playing one game of broodwar and come back posting about your experience.

Another person failing to see the original point.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
December 09 2011 05:15 GMT
#558
On December 09 2011 14:12 seffer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 14:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
He's been competing at a professional level for 2 months and he's already been owning a lot of the top players. Compare that with the end of his BW career where he was pretty much Flash's punching bag in the practice house, and incredibly unreliable and inconsistent in proleague. Yep, SC2 is totally not easier than BW.



just because the players are worse doesn't make the game easier. If all the pro bw players switched over you'd either have the same people dominating as in BW or you'd have a completely different scene because the games is *different*, not easier. Difficulty is relative according to who is playing against who, it's a competitive game.

And my point is that SC2 is easier than BW right now. At a competitive level, the competition is inferior to BW. At a newbie level, SC2 is more accessible and the simplified mechanics make it easier to play at a semi-competent level compared to BW. At this point in time, there is absolutely no basis upon which one can say that SC2 is equally hard as BW.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 09 2011 05:15 GMT
#559
On December 09 2011 14:12 seffer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 14:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
He's been competing at a professional level for 2 months and he's already been owning a lot of the top players. Compare that with the end of his BW career where he was pretty much Flash's punching bag in the practice house, and incredibly unreliable and inconsistent in proleague. Yep, SC2 is totally not easier than BW.



just because the players are worse doesn't make the game easier. If all the pro bw players switched over you'd either have the same people dominating as in BW or you'd have a completely different scene because the games is *different*, not easier. Difficulty is relative according to who is playing against who, it's a competitive game.

Well, have you tried playing Brood War? From experience I can tell you that it's pretty difficult flanking with 180 zerglings when you can only select 12 at a time, though of course it can be done. Also I assume people are talking about mechanical difficulty in which case it's no contest. In the case of "difficulty of victory" that you seem to be talking about, you obviously are correct.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Shrinky Dink
Profile Joined October 2010
United States52 Posts
December 09 2011 05:16 GMT
#560
On December 09 2011 14:15 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 14:12 seffer wrote:
On December 09 2011 14:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
He's been competing at a professional level for 2 months and he's already been owning a lot of the top players. Compare that with the end of his BW career where he was pretty much Flash's punching bag in the practice house, and incredibly unreliable and inconsistent in proleague. Yep, SC2 is totally not easier than BW.



just because the players are worse doesn't make the game easier. If all the pro bw players switched over you'd either have the same people dominating as in BW or you'd have a completely different scene because the games is *different*, not easier. Difficulty is relative according to who is playing against who, it's a competitive game.

And my point is that SC2 is easier than BW right now. At a competitive level, the competition is inferior to BW. At a newbie level, SC2 is more accessible and the simplified mechanics make it easier to play at a semi-competent level compared to BW. At this point in time, there is absolutely no basis upon which one can say that SC2 is equally hard as BW.

this is what TL-users actually believe
anyone who actually put quotes here are full of lawls
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