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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
On November 17 2011 15:39 idiotech wrote: I have updated the OP with links to the new timers for Terran and Protoss. Dude this site is crazy lol. There's a poll now  Thanks for this tool man, I think it's great <3 | ||
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idiotech
Australia11 Posts
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NipponBanzai
Canada518 Posts
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
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Panzerfaust7
United States38 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
as a programmer, it doesn't encourage me to do ANYTHING for the community if something thats the same as a fucking STOPWATCH is flamed and incites hatred and accusations of 'fostering/propagating cheating' from the masses. good job on the tools. IMO its a good learning tool and even on ladder, its not cheating because do you consider watching a fucking wall clock or your watch cheating? NO. also whats your game studio? pm me! | ||
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Blackthorne
Norway69 Posts
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
United States976 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:37 Panzerfaust7 wrote: whats the chances you can get banned from this?? Honestly? 0. This isn't cheating by Blizzard's standards. For those of you who have made your own standards (which seem rather illogical to me btw), fine. Just don't use it =p | ||
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lhr0909
United States562 Posts
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On November 17 2011 17:13 lhr0909 wrote: I played a zvz once on ladder, after I absolutely crushed him with macro advantage, he messaged me that he was mid masters player smurfing in diamond league, and he said he should have crushed me but he did not have a macro that injects automatically for him on his computer he was using at that moment. I just felt so sad about these cheaters. I mean if you rely on the timer to inject, the muscle memory you are building is to the timer not the injects itself. It is pretty much like the inject macro I was talking about. Must be interesting being an elitist, we should talk about it sometime, except I'd have nothing to say. 1) You're opponent is a crybaby. People tell me that they would have won if my race wasn't what it was (random btw) when perhaps I just played better? Shocking I know. When I lose, it's because I'm a shit player hahaha. 2) The muscle memory does combine with the audio instinct, they are not mutually exclusive. The human body can multitask =P 3) Inject macro is cheating. It does things, in game, for you. Name 1 thing a timer which does something every 32 seconds does in game? One, please. In game. Soooooooooo, if anything from what you've said, the people who use the timers are potentially worse players without them? Of course, that's why they're using this to train. I hear in rugby league/union/nfl that they train using 'touch' rules, but apparently that doesn't make your physical conditioning for taking a proper tackle in a real game any better. Best tell real sports they've been cheating for years. Honestly, this is how I relate it. Timer let's you focus on maybe some non-inject macro or army micro, but at the same time only reminds you to inject. Players only need to mistime it once (easy to do) and then it's annoying. | ||
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idiotech
Australia11 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:46 nath wrote: holy shit, idiotech i applaud you taking all the shit from stupid TL forumers. as a programmer, it doesn't encourage me to do ANYTHING for the community if something thats the same as a fucking STOPWATCH is flamed and incites hatred and accusations of 'fostering/propagating cheating' from the masses. good job on the tools. IMO its a good learning tool and even on ladder, its not cheating because do you consider watching a fucking wall clock or your watch cheating? NO. also whats your game studio? pm me! Hi, Yeah it's generally not this bad. However, when we released our game we did receive a fair amount of hate. I think it's just par for the course. Our studio is manic game studios, we released our game critical mass on steam a few months back now  | ||
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Vore210
Ireland256 Posts
It's not cheating as it changes nothing in SC2. Get over it and man up you do-gooding sissies. | ||
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achristes
Norway653 Posts
I don't see how this will help you as you still have to do the actual inject part yourself, and do so exactly on time so the timer won't be off. And how are bronzies who "micro" supposed to get off their ass "microing" and get back to most likely a single hatchery (seeing as bronzies tend to 1base alot), inject (most likely with mouse clicks) and then screen scroll back to the battle to "micro" some more. About the software, it's probably useful to SOME, but still completely unnecesary for just about everyone above silver league. Not cheating, just a bad reminding tool that anyone could setup themselves. + Show Spoiler + No harsh feelings bronzies, you are hillarious to watch <3 EDIT holy shit, idiotech i applaud you taking all the shit from stupid TL forumers. as a programmer, it doesn't encourage me to do ANYTHING for the community if something thats the same as a fucking STOPWATCH is flamed and incites hatred and accusations of 'fostering/propagating cheating' from the masses. good job on the tools. IMO its a good learning tool and even on ladder, its not cheating because do you consider watching a fucking wall clock or your watch cheating? NO. Agreed | ||
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Lysergic
United States355 Posts
Shift+Z isn't a good hotkey for some people because it conflicts with certain commands and prevents you from pressing Shift+Z. People that use Grid hotkeys frequently need to press Shift+Z in SC2. And anyone that uses 'Z' as a custom hotkey could have problems too (for example, I have Patrol assigned to Z, I can't queue a Patrol order while running this program). I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate it if you could add a way to reassign the hotkey, or maybe just change the hotkey to something else that won't conflict (Alt+Z seems like a good choice). Thanks | ||
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Megaman_X
United States164 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:46 Blackthorne wrote: I don't understand how people can say using this on ladder is ok, but not in a tournament. Ladder is competitive play as well, even Blizzard states this. blizzard also doesnt care about ladder[as much]. they're not going to balance the game based off of ladder results but they will look at tournaments | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
1) You do not build muscle memory to your queens energy, only to this "sound". Allowing you to become lazy and not bother tabbing around your hatches to check your queens, reducing your overall APM and brainspeed anyway, probably reducing how often you check the minimap, production and a number of things too. 2) Its fucking cheating on ladder, tournaments and anything like them. Illegal 100%, you would probably be banned from Bnet if it was found and for sure from any respectful tournament. On November 17 2011 19:21 Megaman_X wrote: blizzard also doesnt care about ladder[as much]. they're not going to balance the game based off of ladder results but they will look at tournaments WRONG. I dont know if you just arrived at this scene or are completely ignoring anything major coming from blizzard. They have always stated (as dustin browder did at blizzcon interviews multiple times they want to balance the game from the low to the high. They analyse the ladder win % and more in order to get an overall view of the 3 races in the game (im talking win % across all regions not just korea, land of the "pro's") so yeah, they are looking to balance from the ladder results, tournaments too, but ladder is very much a part of balancing for blizzard. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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soulist
United States932 Posts
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idiotech
Australia11 Posts
On November 17 2011 19:11 lysergic wrote: Thanks, always glad to see programmers developing tools for the community. Do you think you could add an option to customize the Activate/Reactivate hotkey? Shift+Z isn't a good hotkey for some people because it conflicts with certain commands and prevents you from pressing Shift+Z. People that use Grid hotkeys frequently need to press Shift+Z in SC2. And anyone that uses 'Z' as a custom hotkey could have problems too (for example, I have Patrol assigned to Z, I can't queue a Patrol order while running this program). I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate it if you could add a way to reassign the hotkey, or maybe just change the hotkey to something else that won't conflict (Alt+Z seems like a good choice). Thanks it is possible for us to add this feature. We did this as a side project today during work. If we get some free time we will look at adding this feature. I personally use grid and haven't had an issue yet. | ||
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