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On November 17 2011 19:30 darkness wrote: This should be banned. It's cheating.
Whoa... Dude.. It's a friggin stopwatch!
People calling this cheating need a reality check - I think its great for people to get their timings 'under their skin'
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On November 17 2011 19:31 soulist wrote: Im pretty sure this is considered a 3rd party tool therefore illegal and will get you banned.
xDDDDDDDD
This is an app that can be written in any PL in ~ 10 minutes. I can use it to determine when I should go grab my fucking eggs from the water.
It most definitely won't get you banned, since it has 0 (zero) interaction with the game. It's a cool app, and I'm sure it will help some people improve a bit.
On the other hand, I think it shows that maybe the whole Larva Inject mechanic is a bit flawed - probably not the best piece of design that they could come up with.
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Also guys you might want to go read the terms of service before you start saying that this is "illegal".
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On November 17 2011 19:36 idiotech wrote: Also guys you might want to go read the terms of service before you start saying that this is "illegal".
Its not "illegal" in physical prospect. Your program does not interfere with SC2 / battlenet client at all, so no it isnt "Illegal"
Does it break the rules of the game? Yes. Is it unfair? Yes. Would blizzard tell you its a great thing to do? Hell fuck no. Would tournaments let you use it? Nope.
Would ANYONE you played using it tell you "oh thats awesome man, well done for beating me!"? doubt it very much.
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I think this is considered cheating, if you look at the wording in the blizz ToS, what with it being a third party software and all. However, you could just have a stopclock running or w/e, so i really dont think it's that big a deal. I would not be against using it vs prac partners andd computers, however i can see why some people would feel like they are at a disadvantage when playing against someone who is using this, if they are not. But then again, you could just set up a stopwatch on your desk, which would not be cheating...
Also, to all those saying that they dont understand why you would do this, it gives you a really good feel for when your injects are done, so that, when you stop using it, you will already have the rythm ingrained in your play.
Conclusion: Cheating, according to the Tos, however, a stopwatch on your desk would do the same thing, and would not be cheating. Definetlhy a usefull tool for learning.
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Seriously what is all this about? Nearly everyone is using third party programmes (be it skype,sc2gears,...). Are those cheating? No. From the logic of most of you if i play with my game sounds and inject pops (yes it makes sound) and i just inject again did i just cheat?
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On November 17 2011 19:49 Veriol wrote: Seriously what is all this about? Nearly everyone is using third party programmes (be it skype,sc2gears,...). Are those cheating? No.
ehhhh yes it is?!?!?( well maybe not sc2gears cause it's mainly used for replay analyzing ) but anything that helps you to improve your game drastically without having to practice
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On November 17 2011 20:02 ntssauce wrote: ehhhh yes it is?!?!?( well maybe not sc2gears cause it's mainly used for replay analyzing ) but anything that helps you to improve your game drastically without having to practice
Who says this improves your game without practising? It makes you practice.
It doesn't magically make you win games, it helps you to practise and get in your head that you have to larva/mule/chrono every x seconds until you don't need it anymore.
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On November 17 2011 19:35 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 19:30 darkness wrote: This should be banned. It's cheating. Whoa... Dude.. It's a friggin stopwatch! People calling this cheating need a reality check - I think its great for people to get their timings 'under their skin' The only thing you get under your skin is waiting for that timer to go off ... Stop using the timer and you are bad again...
Why do people still think that this works, people tried it so often and it never worked out. Just learn it the proper way.
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I really dont care if people use this on ladder. If you're good you can make GM versus people who use it.
My main main main main concern, is the use of this program in online qualifiers and tournaments.
MASSIVE PROBLEM right there.
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I don't see how it's cheating. Blizzard even put in their own notification for injects. IT IS NO DIFFERENT. Bottom line, it won't even make a fucking if you don't have the apm. This is the same with the in-game notification. Everyone has the notifications on but it doesn't mean everyone is having perfect injects. It comes down to awareness ( and awareness of the timer) and apm anyway. This is no different to copying a build order from a piece of paper. Eventually it won't be needed.
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i just downloaded this, and it is sooooooooo good. i think it might single handedly bump me up to masters
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Its a cool idea but these thigns jsut make you lazy on the long run and makes you have bad habits...
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Lol, players are so lazy to check their bases more often?
Also, it's not cheating and Blizzard can't ban you for that, because you can launch this programm in real life, on other notebook nearby, or turn on timer-tiker in mobile phone or ipad or other.
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It just seems like a really poor idea to use this and get used to having some external timer to depend on instead of the internal timings you've developed by grinding through a bunch of games. I wouldn't call it cheating at all though.
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i just dont get it, if you muss one larva, or mule or w/e then the timer is off..
also there is an ingame "timer" that tells you when ur mule, chrono, larva is done..
sry, while the intentions were good, i find it useless..
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On November 17 2011 20:22 ThePlayer33 wrote: I really dont care if people use this on ladder. If you're good you can make GM versus people who use it.
My main main main main concern, is the use of this program in online qualifiers and tournaments.
MASSIVE PROBLEM right there.
It's a training tool. If a masters and above level player uses this and couldn't do almost the same without it I would be shocked and retract a lot of statements. But really, do masters players really forget to larva inject over simply choosing to focus on other aspects of the game which might happen at the 32 second mark.
Also, I know this might either be me mis-remembering or giving everyone a total shock: but I believe Blizzard included a spawn larva expiry in game alert...WHEN THE LARVA SPAWNS! D=
That means, Blizzard do this in game already, soooooooooo~
In a way this is unnecessary and helpful at the same time since it will remind you how sub optimal your play is.
And if this is a third party tool, then firefox notepad and skype all have a lot to answer for!
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Damn cheaters.
1) Start Skype/Ventrilo/Teamspeak (evil 3rd party programs) 2) Get a friend to whistle every 30 seconds in said programs 3) ??? 4) Profit
I consider this cheating. Blizzard should ban friends.
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