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dynamics`
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On November 17 2011 21:43 paschl wrote: oh but i do. im just wondering where people draw the line and tried to pull the argument out of proportion. also please dont release your worked up anger on a forum, it doesnt really help to make your points. and i <3 you. seriously. You draw the line where the ToS/Blizzard tells you to draw it, or where your tournament organiser tells you to draw it. /sigh | ||
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immanentblue
Denmark110 Posts
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
On November 17 2011 21:54 n0ise wrote: You draw the line where the ToS/Blizzard tells you to draw it, or where your tournament organiser tells you to draw it. /sigh so if there is a gray area in the ToS or a tourneys rules that does allow (or doesnt forbid) you to use a bot its not cheating? | ||
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Masayume
Netherlands208 Posts
Trying to get a feel for inject timings via this program won't do much, especially if your injects ever get off sync. With tabbing you will never miss it. With this program you will run into trouble really fast. | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On November 17 2011 21:59 paschl wrote: so if there is a gray area in the ToS or a tourneys rules that does allow (or doesnt forbid) you to use a bot its not cheating? If there's a certain *whatever* (granting you an advantage) that is clearly not prohibited, then yes, it's not cheating. Such is the nature of competition. People are going to do whatever it takes to get ahead. And obviously, if it's something abusive that was looked over, admins will take notice and reevaluate their rules. Extrapolating to this discussion, since this is a 20 lines program that interacts with the game as much as your MSN messenger (as in, not at all), you can't label it as a "hack". And that's where the unfriendly tone in my earlier post came from - trying to explain a simple, simple concept to someone that just refuses to understand it does create some frustration. It's all chemistry, I guess. The only implication that is worth discussing about this is in a tournament setting - however, I think this is a moot point, since I'm sure 99% of high-level zergs would find this more annoying than helpful. | ||
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dukem
Norway189 Posts
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Rammstorm
Germany1434 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:20 Rammstorm wrote: If this program usage is cheating then they should remove the in-game timer too!! Getting an advanage or doing something good is not cheating, because by that definition killing workers would be cheating, or even playing the game. Cheating is playing outside the rules or doing something that is clearly not allowed. So basically, if blizz decided to take out the ToS and say "go ahead hack with whatever you want", technically hacking wouldn't be cheating anymore since everyone would be free to do it. Game would be stupid as fucking but that would be the game. | ||
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WarheadsByLink
United Kingdom75 Posts
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
When you go to another country do you start deciding which laws should be laws there and hence what you follow? No you don't, you obey the rules set up in that country. Just like when you are on battlenet you obey the rules and conditions blizzard states, and nowhere do they state that this is cheating. As many people have said its the same as using a stop watch. There are also many factors on ladder that makes the playing feel not equal so don't give me that shit. Tournaments however is obviously a different scenario, because each tournament sets its own rules. Just like in lots of tournaments you can't listen to music, can't chat apart from gl hf and can't pause for a toilet break which would all be acceptable on ladder. TL:DR, blizzard's ladder, blizzard's rules. Don't come in here saying 'that's cheating!' based on nothing but your personal opinion... They make the rules, and all they state is that he program can't interact with game client. | ||
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Vandrad
Germany951 Posts
But it doesn't feel right or fair. When I win games I want to be able to say I've won them by myself and not with the help of some program | ||
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Issamu
Brazil126 Posts
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Apolex
Canada103 Posts
How does TL support and let people post this but ban Savior streams? We all know this is cheating, doesn't matter if you choose to admit it or not. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
The problem here is that people see the ladder differently. Some people see it as a practice area while others see it as legitimate competition. I personally think the ladder's a joke of a competition, so train with it all you want. If it makes you timings better more power to you. | ||
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WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
Not that I'd use it. | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:31 Apolex wrote: Third Party program .... to gain an unfair advantage ... this is basically a timer hack. How does TL support and let people post this but ban Savior streams? We all know this is cheating, doesn't matter if you choose to admit it or not. You fail when you claim the advantage is unfair. | ||
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Ninety-Three
United States68 Posts
Is having a friend coach you cheating? What if a friend stood behind you and told you to larva inject every time he saw the alert on the side of the screen? That's what this does. To say this is cheating is absolutely retarded, to say the least. It's not an "unfair" advantage in the least. It's just a damn reminder, it doesn't do it for you. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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Endall
United States66 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:31 Apolex wrote: Third Party program .... to gain an unfair advantage ... this is basically a timer hack. How does TL support and let people post this but ban Savior streams? We all know this is cheating, doesn't matter if you choose to admit it or not. You my friend should try to participate in the conversation instead of "blah, blah blah it's cheating." How about you give some aspect as to why it is cheating? BTW, this is by far not even close to cheating. All it does is TRAIN the mind to get injects correct. | ||
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