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Spuick
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway357 Posts
November 17 2011 22:34 GMT
#261
On November 18 2011 07:31 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 07:30 Spuick wrote:
I don't like this. lets not make it easier for people to play -_-


Then don't use it.


If other people then me use it then it has the same effect. ~_~
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:40:29
November 17 2011 22:40 GMT
#262
On November 18 2011 07:34 Spuick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 07:31 stevarius wrote:
On November 18 2011 07:30 Spuick wrote:
I don't like this. lets not make it easier for people to play -_-


Then don't use it.


If other people then me use it then it has the same effect. ~_~


Could you inject as well as they could? Yes.

It goes no UNFAIR advantage in regards to the ToS.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
LeopoldStotch
Profile Joined April 2011
United States158 Posts
November 17 2011 22:41 GMT
#263
On November 17 2011 12:05 Gamegene wrote:
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On November 17 2011 12:02 Existential wrote:
Pretty sure this is cheating. I don't know why you would want to make SC2 easier for yourself anyway.


nothing beats the satisfaction knowing that you get to win games with training wheels. apparently.


The majority need training wheel before they can ride without it.

Noobs will never get promoted until they learn to inject.
Fuhrmaaj
Profile Joined January 2011
167 Posts
November 17 2011 22:46 GMT
#264
Gosh, it's a third party program so you wouldn't be able to use it at a tournament. I think that much is obvious.

It's separate of the Blizzard client so they won't know that you're using it and you won't lose your account over it.

Whether or not it's considered cheating, it is a noob tool which is intended to train you to hit your injects (/mules/chrono). If you don't like it, don't use it. The intent is not to give you an unfair advantage, the intent is obviously to train you.

I won't use this product because I have concerns about dependency. ie, I fear that if I use the inject timer, then I would forget to inject if I didn't hear the tune. If my opponent used the inject timer, I don't care because it's just a game and I'm not being paid to play. You won't be able to use it at LAN-style tournaments, so for the most part money won't be won or lost as a result of this tool.
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idiotech
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia11 Posts
November 17 2011 22:50 GMT
#265
On November 18 2011 07:25 DaCheF wrote:
Can you make one for mac users?


Sorry there will not be a mac version. We simply don't have the time
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:54:17
November 17 2011 22:53 GMT
#266
Is it cheating? Yes, without a doubt.

You gain an (unfair?) advantage over someone who isnt using it.
"But I can record myself and loop the soundfile". First - that's cheating as well (gaining an advantage). Second, what's the reasoning behind it _not_ to be cheating? That a) everyone can do that, or b) that you can do it yourself and dont have to rely on the work of others?
Concerning a) everyone can download a maphack. Everyone can easily turn into a stream and streamcheat that player. So if a) is your point, then you endorse stream cheating & maphacking.
If it's b), well, you probably didnt build / write the recorder yourself, so you actually do rely on the work of others to gain that advantage. Also - for some people - writing a hack for SC2 is quite trivial. So you'd be ok if I play with a selfprogrammed hack, since I didnt use the work of others & it's trivial?

So imho again, yes it's cheating.
But does it actually matter? No. It's just another example that the world is not black & white. Even the world of cheating.
No one will care if you use it. You can use it to gain an advantage, you can use it as a practice tool only. It's your own personal decision where you draw the line between "over the top should be banned" and "it's still fine".

And as long as Blizzard is fine with it - you dont run the risk of being banned (and yes, Warden is actively scanning the memory, so it could easily detect the memory footprint of this program and ban you because of it).
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:55:54
November 17 2011 22:55 GMT
#267
It will only interfere in the game. Don't be lazy, just rebuild backspace to other hotkey and start use your fingers and brain, please. StarCraft 2 is already not hard, and you want to make it easier -_-
cosineInfinity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States178 Posts
November 17 2011 22:58 GMT
#268
...if it's simply a timer, won't it get desynchronized should a player miss his injects by a single second?
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
November 17 2011 22:59 GMT
#269
On November 17 2011 11:57 dAPhREAk wrote:
doesnt sc2 already notify you when larva inject is done? they added it as part of a patch.


Eeyep, they did... You get a pretty obvious notification right there on the left side of your screen.
If that isn't enough and you need some 3rd party software - I kindda feel the problem is the player...
This is not needed... This WILL be considered cheating...

Not hating on your software... But it's not really something I can see help the community
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
November 17 2011 22:59 GMT
#270
On November 17 2011 12:03 anonymitylol wrote:
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On November 17 2011 12:00 Fruscainte wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 anonymitylol wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 WuK wrote:
It sounds awesome, but Blizzard has always been pretty unforgiving regarding any tiers software that would create a disadvantage to the player not using it so you should probably be aware that you might get banned if they don't like it. If I were you i would post on the official forums to ask if you can use it or not if you don't want to get an unintended ban.


Uh, how would Blizzard know if you're running a program that doesn't change anything about the SC2 client at all?


You're using a Third Party program to give yourself an unfair advantage.


Once again: How will Blizzard know? They won't, is what I'm trying to say. Are you going to e-mail Blizzard and tell them you're using that program? They can only track programs that actually modify the SC2 client (MPQ editors, etc.)



Yeah you're right, and as long as you don't get caught cheating is fine right? I mean, thats the very spirit of competition
...
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
November 17 2011 23:02 GMT
#271
On November 17 2011 23:22 pileopoop wrote:
Cheating is legal on ladder, but not in tourneys.


I think you misunderstood something... While people are actually cheating on ladder - it's really easy to report them and for blizzard to look into it.
Blizzard is doing a massive effort to prevent cheats - on ladder (which is their responsibility), while they have nothing to say 'bout tournaments.

I hope you're trolling
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
November 17 2011 23:02 GMT
#272
Of course this is cheating. It's like in 9th grade algebra when I wrote programs for my ti83 to do all the problems on my test for me. Was it technically against the rules? No, we were allowed to use calculators. Not my fault the teacher didn't make us clear their memories before we started. Was it against the spirit of the test? Yes.

Unfortunately, "show all work" is not a principal that can be applied to a ladder game.

The only people who would use this are people who want to improve their gameplay. I don't see the point in using this as a crutch instead of just learning.
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
November 17 2011 23:06 GMT
#273
On November 18 2011 07:33 nohbrows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 07:25 DaCheF wrote:
Can you make one for mac users?



I second that request.
Yeah this isn't really cheating at all. Musicians use a metronome during practice all the time. Why can't we do the same.


lolwut... 'cuz musicians aren't playing REAL TIME against other musicians. It's not like - if a musician drops his rhythm ever so slightly that it will have the same obvious consequences as a vital missed inject...

Apples and oranges, bro.... apples and oranges...
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
November 17 2011 23:30 GMT
#274
Or you could just use your own brain.
Okiesmokie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada379 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 23:36:05
November 17 2011 23:34 GMT
#275
On November 17 2011 11:55 PR4Y wrote:
does this know when you have finished your inject rounds? if not, 5 minutes into the game your timer will be off by like 20-30 seconds.


people have tried this before, and it usually just doesn't work correctly. unless you have the above mentioned feature, it will be quite useless.


not to mention there are already 500 of these on the internet.

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but I made a program similar to this one awhile ago, that *does* keep track of when injects finish/mules expire/chrono boost expires, so it's never off.

Link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272208
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
November 17 2011 23:35 GMT
#276
cheat.. like many ppl write . One thing that make good zerg player is NOT miss larva inject. Close this topic or something...

Its can even helps your opponents to kill a zerg player.. just simple watch when larvas hatch , then see on timer when zerg unit will have NO NEW fighting units , just drones...
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F-Decoy
Profile Joined June 2011
France245 Posts
November 17 2011 23:42 GMT
#277
I play Zerg and I agree, it's cheat. Then you can use it in cg or vs-ai games "to get the rythme" but better to play with what the game is giving you, left sided alarm, queen/hatch switch. My opinion; but doesn't seem a bad one.
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
November 17 2011 23:48 GMT
#278
It seems like people will do ANYTHING to avoid just practicing to improve.
So many people spend hours and hours reading or getting programs to help their mouse accuracy or even silly shit like this. When in reality the best way to improve is to just play the damn game.
CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
November 18 2011 00:06 GMT
#279
Guys, it's called practice. Its a complete non issue.
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
November 18 2011 09:45 GMT
#280
On November 18 2011 08:48 Odal wrote:
It seems like people will do ANYTHING to avoid just practicing to improve.
So many people spend hours and hours reading or getting programs to help their mouse accuracy or even silly shit like this. When in reality the best way to improve is to just play the damn game.

Yeah, that's what I thought aswell.
Not to hate on devs or anything, but bad shit is bad.
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