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-iNko
Profile Joined August 2010
Lithuania160 Posts
November 18 2011 11:33 GMT
#281
idk why so many ppl r hatin on this, i think its a very brilliant program and it might help some ppl, even tho i dont plan on using it myself because i dont really need to..

Sn0wM4
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria68 Posts
November 18 2011 11:55 GMT
#282
On November 18 2011 20:33 iNkopwnz wrote:
idk why so many ppl r hatin on this, i think its a very brilliant program and it might help some ppl, even tho i dont plan on using it myself because i dont really need to..


Well it's not really a new idea I'm sure any Zerg player who can code has made something like this but it's 100% cheating.
OhMyGawd
Profile Joined February 2011
United States264 Posts
November 18 2011 11:59 GMT
#283
On November 18 2011 20:33 iNkopwnz wrote:
idk why so many ppl r hatin on this, i think its a very brilliant program and it might help some ppl, even tho i dont plan on using it myself because i dont really need to..



It's cheating
zomg
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
November 18 2011 12:16 GMT
#284
ok to those of you claiming that pros dont miss larvae injects obviously ignorant.

The well known macro players: losira, ret, idra, dimaga, there isnt a single replay where these players keep all the queens below 15 energy through a 20 minute game.

However, the main cause of this is because their apm is spent doing other worthwhile things, not because they forgot to inject.

But many players can make a high level of play even without learning a good inject cycle due to the poor standards of the world's players today. (obviously because not all the players invest all their time into this game, stephano being one)
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Caelyn0101
Profile Joined September 2011
103 Posts
November 18 2011 12:20 GMT
#285
This is one of the most stupid things I have seen. Injecting is a mechanic that you are supposed to learn, It's a skill. Making software that tells people when they have to inject is fucking ridiculous.
All.In
Profile Joined August 2010
United States214 Posts
November 18 2011 13:40 GMT
#286
This is not cheating. I am surprised that this is even being argued about. It would be used to get better and eventually develop your own timing and internal clock. I would be willing to bet at least some top tier players have used something similar. It could be clock or a coach talking in your ear but it is all done with the same intention to get better. You would actually probably be a moron not to use every tool possible to get better as fast as possible. Sad that you get blasted for trying to help the community out.
It is what it is
Omega.763
Profile Joined August 2010
France34 Posts
November 18 2011 14:27 GMT
#287
On November 17 2011 11:56 Fruscainte wrote:
Useful for practice, but in ladder, 100% cheating.


Agree aswell.
My wife for Aiur
gatorling
Profile Joined December 2010
United States30 Posts
November 18 2011 14:36 GMT
#288
I don't see how this is cheating..
How is this any different than using an external timer that will issue a beep every X seconds? I could write an android or iPhone app doing the same thing..

The concept is similar to a metronome, you use a mechanical assist to develop a habit and after it becomes intuitive you remove the assist and now you have excellent inject mechanics.
What is?
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
November 18 2011 14:43 GMT
#289
I think the idea was well intentioned but the product itself is not that helpful to be honest. If anything, it is distracting. If you miss an inject you have to sync it again etc. Sometimes players choose to focus on microing in a battle that can win the game.

Also, I personally play StarCraft with music and that is what get's me pumped and focused (an annoying warning ever few seconds would really not help) and if you are using your hotkeys correctly you should be able to learn to stay on top of your injects, even if they are not 100% perfect.

I wouldn't go as far as calling it cheating but I think it is just not the best way to learn to nail your injects. I think there are more effective ways like going through your hotkeys, that'll help you not only to stay on top of your injects but will help you with multitasking etc. (Much quicker way to get better I think)
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bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
November 18 2011 14:46 GMT
#290
it's 3rd party which is used to improve your game so yea, it's cheating.

but whatever, you guys are so overestimating the power of this. this is good for training just to get some exact sense about larva inject but in real games... naah, there are too many situations where you need to do a lot of other things and you just can't keep larva inject perfect because your qeen is placing tumors, fighting etc. + it often isn't all that important that you inject on exact time. As soon as you get macro hatches and your tech up it isn't really that big of a problem for good players.
bLooD.
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany470 Posts
November 18 2011 14:46 GMT
#291
Why would this be cheating? You could just look at the ingame time. But you would have to do a little math...
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
November 18 2011 14:51 GMT
#292
perhaps cheating but its only a running programm and as long it not goes into sc2 its like winamp ... no one can see but still dont like it even its usefull
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Sn0wM4
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria68 Posts
November 18 2011 14:53 GMT
#293
On November 18 2011 23:46 bLooD. wrote:
Why would this be cheating? You could just look at the ingame time. But you would have to do a little math...

With this program you don't need to do the math or remember when to inject it just beeps and you inject...you can make yourself one in C++ with Sleep() and char 7.
Kyles92
Profile Joined October 2010
England183 Posts
November 18 2011 14:55 GMT
#294
This is cheating no question about it.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 15:08:20
November 18 2011 15:04 GMT
#295
On November 17 2011 12:00 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 11:59 anonymitylol wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 WuK wrote:
It sounds awesome, but Blizzard has always been pretty unforgiving regarding any tiers software that would create a disadvantage to the player not using it so you should probably be aware that you might get banned if they don't like it. If I were you i would post on the official forums to ask if you can use it or not if you don't want to get an unintended ban.


Uh, how would Blizzard know if you're running a program that doesn't change anything about the SC2 client at all?


You're using a Third Party program to give yourself an unfair advantage.


He didn't ask what the activity he is, he asked how Blizzard discovers the activity. You didn't answer..

On topic: This is a nifty idea for getting exposure out to your Critical Mass game project, without being blatantly overt about the advertising. Well played and good luck with further developing
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 15:11:10
November 18 2011 15:09 GMT
#296
I think we established that there are two opinions about it being cheating or not. I don't find it useful to keep posting the same two opinions over and over.

Perhaps focusing on strategies that are focused on ONES skill IN the game rather than something external is a better way to go about it. There are threads for that though.



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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
November 18 2011 15:13 GMT
#297
On November 19 2011 00:04 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:00 Fruscainte wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 anonymitylol wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 WuK wrote:
It sounds awesome, but Blizzard has always been pretty unforgiving regarding any tiers software that would create a disadvantage to the player not using it so you should probably be aware that you might get banned if they don't like it. If I were you i would post on the official forums to ask if you can use it or not if you don't want to get an unintended ban.


Uh, how would Blizzard know if you're running a program that doesn't change anything about the SC2 client at all?


You're using a Third Party program to give yourself an unfair advantage.


He didn't ask what the activity he is, he asked how Blizzard discovers the activity. You didn't answer..

On topic: This is a nifty idea for getting exposure out to your Critical Mass game project, without being blatantly overt about the advertising. Well played and good luck with further developing


Blizzard has an anti-cheat program called Warden that can scan a list of active processes on your computer. They can manually add the name of this program (or any other they deem inappropriate) to the watchlist and have Warden report back when this process is found running in conjunction with SC2.

As for the cheating / non-cheating discussion. Some people argue that it's not cheating because you could use a stopwatch or smartphone app to do the same. But doing that would also be cheating. It's an undetectable cheat (in ladder play / online tournaments), but that doesn't make it legit. You wouldn't be allowed to use your smartphone while playing an offline tournament. Looking at the ingame timer is of a completely different level than having something that automatically beeps every 40 Blizz-seconds. If you can time your injects by looking at the ingame timer, then that's just an alternative way of doing it instead of tapping past your queens/hatches regularly.
Such flammable little insects!
Zerksys
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States569 Posts
November 18 2011 15:14 GMT
#298
Why is everyone freaking out about this? It's really just a timer to tell you when to inject. I could accomplish the same thing by having a timer beep every 42.5 seconds.
What's that probe doing there? It's a scout. You mean one of those flying planes? No....
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
November 18 2011 15:18 GMT
#299
Why is everyone freaking out about this? It's really just a timer to tell you when to inject. I could accomplish the same thing by having a timer beep every 42.5 seconds.


Please read the thread and don't ask a question that has been answered multiple times.
And Rannasha, I agree:
If you can time your injects by looking at the ingame timer, then that's just an alternative way of doing it instead of tapping past your queens/hatches regularly.
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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
November 18 2011 15:20 GMT
#300
It's a practice tool. Using it competitively is obviously cheating, as any practice tool would be. I don't think anyone would argue that. The difference in opinion comes from the fact that different people use the ladder in different ways.
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