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Sluggy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States128 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 13:50:05
November 17 2011 13:47 GMT
#241
If it's not hooked in to the game I wouldn't consider it a big deal
Aeris130
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden14 Posts
November 17 2011 13:58 GMT
#242
I hope none of the players crying "cheating!" talks in skype or similar programs when playing team games. In-game chat only, guys.
IGotPlayguuu
Profile Joined June 2011
Italy660 Posts
November 17 2011 14:12 GMT
#243
On November 17 2011 22:58 Aeris130 wrote:
I hope none of the players crying "cheating!" talks in skype or similar programs when playing team games. In-game chat only, guys.

Actually there's a vocal chat also incorporated in bnet, so the case is kinda different...
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KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
November 17 2011 14:16 GMT
#244
On November 17 2011 22:58 Aeris130 wrote:
I hope none of the players crying "cheating!" talks in skype or similar programs when playing team games. In-game chat only, guys.


I dont think anyone cares about team games anyway
pileopoop
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada317 Posts
November 17 2011 14:22 GMT
#245
Cheating is legal on ladder, but not in tourneys.
paschl
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany666 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 14:42:20
November 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#246
On November 17 2011 22:08 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 21:59 paschl wrote:
On November 17 2011 21:54 n0ise wrote:
On November 17 2011 21:43 paschl wrote:
On November 17 2011 21:39 n0ise wrote:
On November 17 2011 21:31 paschl wrote:
so the guys who dont consider this cheating, where do you draw the line?
how about a timer that goes off at important attack timings, or to remind you to get detection/turrets etc?
or something that centers the screen on your hatches when the larva is finished and then takes you back to where you were before.
and when were that far it might aswell do it automatically amirite?
we could also implement something that tells you what units to get or to send out scouts at various intervals.
maybe a little help splitting your army?
or a tool that beeps as soon as an enemy unit is visible on the minimap.

seriously, if you use this on ladder dont fool yourselves. youre cheating.
regardless if youre using this tool, a stopwatch, an old brit with a pocket watch or a trained orangutan.


Do you really not understand the obvious difference between something that interacts with the game and something that DOES NOT interact with the game?

How do some people manage to register an account Oo


oh but i do.
im just wondering where people draw the line and tried to pull the argument out of proportion.
also please dont release your worked up anger on a forum, it doesnt really help to make your points.
and i <3 you. seriously.


You draw the line where the ToS/Blizzard tells you to draw it, or where your tournament organiser tells you to draw it.

/sigh


so if there is a gray area in the ToS or a tourneys rules that does allow (or doesnt forbid) you to use a bot its not cheating?


If there's a certain *whatever* (granting you an advantage) that is clearly not prohibited, then yes, it's not cheating. Such is the nature of competition. People are going to do whatever it takes to get ahead.

And obviously, if it's something abusive that was looked over, admins will take notice and reevaluate their rules.

Extrapolating to this discussion, since this is a 20 lines program that interacts with the game as much as your MSN messenger (as in, not at all), you can't label it as a "hack".

And that's where the unfriendly tone in my earlier post came from - trying to explain a simple, simple concept to someone that just refuses to understand it does create some frustration. It's all chemistry, I guess.

The only implication that is worth discussing about this is in a tournament setting - however, I think this is a moot point, since I'm sure 99% of high-level zergs would find this more annoying than helpful.


i understand your point i just have a different oppinion on it.
imo there should be some sort of moral responsibility on the players side (and yeah i know that sounds stupid).

j4f ive sent a support to blizzard asking about it. this is what they responded:

Vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage.

Solange Programme nicht aktiv in Starcraft eingreifen kann man diese benutzen. Wenn es nebenher läuft als Stopuhr ist das nicht verboten.


which translates to: "As long as a tool doesnt directly interact with sc2 its legal."

still i myself wouldnt use it.
muzzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States640 Posts
November 17 2011 14:51 GMT
#247
This isn't cheating anymore than having a build on a sticky note next to your monitor is... it's just a coaching tool to help you along.

Personally, I don't think I'll use it because I don't want to handicap myself and become too reliant on the timer, and also, my injects aren't that bad anyhow.

I could see this being really useful for newer players though who need to get in the habit of injecting.

It's not tied into the game at all, it doesn't do any actions for you, so it's not cheating.

I remember when the ingame timer came out and so many people freaked and said that it was basically a cheat and should be disabled, bla bla bla. Now everyone uses it and it doesn't matter.

ASTARA.VOJ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
New Zealand49 Posts
November 17 2011 21:55 GMT
#248
I think since Blizzard gives you a note saying that your larva has popped, this just makes it more noticeable, therefore not cheating.
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carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
November 17 2011 22:00 GMT
#249
On November 18 2011 06:55 PhilipScrewdriver wrote:
I think since Blizzard gives you a note saying that your larva has popped, this just makes it more noticeable, therefore not cheating.


Exactly what I said like10 pages ago.
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SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
November 17 2011 22:06 GMT
#250
I'm willing to wager that most of the haters and people claiming this is cheating are just people who don't want to have to use the program or just don't want to use it in general. So they demonize it to justify their lack of interest in hopes of persuading others not to use it.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:09:36
November 17 2011 22:09 GMT
#251
What.. this is not different than having a physical timer/alarm clock beside you that will beep every 32 seconds, etc....

It ain't cheating.
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
November 17 2011 22:10 GMT
#252
On November 17 2011 11:48 idiotech wrote:
It just a tool to help people learn

How does giving someone a crutch help them learn? It'll help them perform better while using it but will make them worse in the long run. Once the external reminder is gone they'll be even worse at injecting than they were before

Nice effort but this program is an awful idea and nobody should use it if they actually want to improve.
scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
November 17 2011 22:17 GMT
#253
How is it any different to listening to music while playing? I find very rhythmic music helps my game play because it helps enforce repetition in my macro. Is this not equivalent to listening to a specifically tailored song?
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Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
November 17 2011 22:19 GMT
#254
On November 18 2011 07:10 Stropheum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 11:48 idiotech wrote:
It just a tool to help people learn

How does giving someone a crutch help them learn? It'll help them perform better while using it but will make them worse in the long run. Once the external reminder is gone they'll be even worse at injecting than they were before

Nice effort but this program is an awful idea and nobody should use it if they actually want to improve.


They could just always use it.

Not like people who need this will be playing in tournaments.
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
November 17 2011 22:21 GMT
#255
nice cheat...
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stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:30:39
November 17 2011 22:22 GMT
#256
On November 18 2011 07:17 scudst0rm wrote:
How is it any different to listening to music while playing? I find very rhythmic music helps my game play because it helps enforce repetition in my macro. Is this not equivalent to listening to a specifically tailored song?


Most genres of music I listen to while playing zerg have a beat that I can correlate to inject timing.

To all those who think this is cheating: WAHHHHH!

If anything, using it for maybe a few days will inevitably build the inject mechanic into your play. This is no different than someone telling you to inject, when to spread creep, etc that you could do simply by recording your voice and playing that MP3 during laddering. Anyone who actually is going to compete isn't going to use this and it should be used as a LEARNING device.

It does not violate the ToS, but it does seem to bring out all the people who whine that it is unfair. If it's software, people will rage. If it's music or a device sitting by your computer performing the exact same function, people don't care. It doesn't give you an unfair advantage simply because the timer in no way modifies the ability of larva inject to benefit you over the opponent. You could argue that it makes one player more likely to inject, but you might as well just blow hot air as both players have to eventually learn to inject. I'd rather be the player with the tool. If I couldn't use the tool, I'd train with a metronome or similar device.



To Stropheum: If you repeat an action so much under the aid of a training device, do you honestly think the user of said device is going to get WORSE at the repeated activity? From my personal experience, I can honestly state that my injects were better upon using a similar method of remembering to inject because it would force me to work it into my mechanical rhythm while playing the game. Nobody should listen to Stropheum if they actually want to improve. They should try it for themselves and come to their own conclusions.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DaCheF
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
November 17 2011 22:25 GMT
#257
Can you make one for mac users?
Spuick
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway357 Posts
November 17 2011 22:30 GMT
#258
I don't like this. lets not make it easier for people to play -_-
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
November 17 2011 22:31 GMT
#259
On November 18 2011 07:30 Spuick wrote:
I don't like this. lets not make it easier for people to play -_-


Then don't use it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
nohbrows
Profile Joined February 2011
United States653 Posts
November 17 2011 22:33 GMT
#260
On November 18 2011 07:25 DaCheF wrote:
Can you make one for mac users?



I second that request.
Yeah this isn't really cheating at all. Musicians use a metronome during practice all the time. Why can't we do the same.
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