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Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
November 17 2011 05:35 GMT
#141
Just have an MP3 of yourself saying "INJECT" and have it repeat however often inject wears off. Why complicate it
The universe created an audience for itself.
Tweleve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States644 Posts
November 17 2011 05:35 GMT
#142
This program doesn't break the game by any means, but it still acts as a source of coaching during a match.

Would it be ok for Huk to sit next to me during a match reminding me of things I should be doing?
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Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
November 17 2011 05:36 GMT
#143
Look, another thread where people desperately try to say that something is inherently different because it's done on the same machine as the one the game is being played on rather than a physically separate one!

...Yeah. Do people really believe that something being digital somehow makes it magically more advantageous than anything else?

I guess I'll have to turn of the Windows Timer, too, since I happen to have that running in the background. It's unfair to have a visible clock on the screen, since not everybody plays in windowed mode.
Heff87
Profile Joined November 2011
United States106 Posts
November 17 2011 05:37 GMT
#144
@Fruscainte: I think anon was talking about the fact that Blizzard would have no idea of knowing he was running that 3rd party program, it doesn't modify the client in any way. Only way really would be to find this thread, track down his blizz id, and then ban it. Personally if you're just using it as a tool to improve in practice, I don't see anything wrong with it. Using it in any sort of tournament environment would definitely be cheating though.
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PiLoKo
Profile Joined January 2011
Mexico144 Posts
November 17 2011 05:38 GMT
#145
Blizzard actualy included this on a patch, always making the game more noob friendly ^____^
I like to troll in-game :)
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
November 17 2011 05:38 GMT
#146
On November 17 2011 11:57 Ruscour wrote:
beginners using metronomes to stutterstep,


Head=blown.

Guys get off your white horses lol. Clearly they just made it for practise. I think it's ok to use it up till mid-masters, since still up to that point you clearly have a problem with mechanics which you need to improve. I would be perfectly fine if somebody from gold league used that against me.
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EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
November 17 2011 05:40 GMT
#147
Are you guys so hardcore that something used to make your game mechanics better is cheating? Even at the high levels of masters, using something like this is hardly considered cheating... There is a reminder on the left side of the screen even that notifies you of the inject completion. So I guess SCII is cheating too? It's just another sense (hearing) being used instead of visual. I don't understand. if you're at the high levels of diamond/masters, then you shouldn't be missing larva injects anyways, at least until mid-late game, and if you do, it's just helping you fix that error. Calling this on the same level of maphacking or large macro is completely ridiculous.
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U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
November 17 2011 05:40 GMT
#148
On November 17 2011 14:03 LanTAs wrote:
The problem is that this program is specifically targeted to assist with larvae injects, not just a song.
Songs are different, they don't specifically target certain timings such as larvae injects and/or any other timing (Supply, random timing pushes, etc.)

I would definitely say no to this program.


Poll: Is this cheating?

No (88)
 
72%

Yes (31)
 
25%

Maybe/Undecided (3)
 
2%

122 total votes

Your vote: Is this cheating?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Maybe/Undecided



So if my song's lyrics repeat "Supply, mini-map, 4, 5, 6, 7!" then it isn't okay because it targets something specific, but if it generally makes me keep my APM high due to the beat (or to put it another way, is an audio file that is slightly more difficult to benefit from,) then it is okay?

What if I have a song that changes from bridge to chorus every 32 seconds and I set that on repeat? Because it is a more obscure, is that okay? Who is the judge of how obscure these reminders have to be?

This is a pretty interesting line you are trying to draw here.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9048 Posts
November 17 2011 05:43 GMT
#149
On November 17 2011 14:35 Tweleve wrote:
This program doesn't break the game by any means, but it still acts as a source of coaching during a match.

Would it be ok for Huk to sit next to me during a match reminding me of things I should be doing?

Yes. Why not??? Ladder != Tournament.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 05:51:02
November 17 2011 05:47 GMT
#150
As a Protoss player, I say: use this program as much as you want, I hope it makes you better and soon you won't need it. If you always need it, then that's fine. Use it against me in a money tournament even, I DGAF - more power to you.

It's only an indicator. If it was tied to the game and actually waited for the inject ability to be ready, then IMO that would be cheating, but this system is pretty innocent.

Also, I don't know how the app works but I would suggest that if it's basically a sound loop, the sound should be progressive. For instance if you inject every 32 seconds (if that's the actual timing), at 29 seconds into the loop, the notification should start beeping, getting progressively louder and stop at 32 seconds. Just a thought.
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U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
November 17 2011 05:52 GMT
#151
On November 17 2011 14:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
This is good for people who are trying to focus on something else such as micro, and this allows them to be able to improve those skills. That said, I would be very disappointed in somebody Plat or above who used this software, because that is the are where learning your injects are key.

So the morality of the issue is based on league placement...

Its okay in Gold but not Platinum. What if I'm in Gold and I'm matched against a Platinum player and don't know it before hand? What's the moral thing to do in this situation?

I think the appropriate thing to do is if I win the game in that situation, I need to call Blizzard and ask that they remove the win from my record, and send a check for the pro-rated minimum wage in my opponent's state to compensate him for defrauding him out of his playing time with my cheater software.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
November 17 2011 05:57 GMT
#152
I don't think this is cheating. It's like a friend sitting beside you telling you to inject. It's like looking at game time.

OKAY it's a third party program and SHOULD NEVER be used in competitive matches but obviously it won't. Makes learning a little easier for people, chill.
Try another route paperboy.
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
November 17 2011 05:59 GMT
#153
IDK Seems like cheating :D
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
November 17 2011 06:00 GMT
#154
There is no morality to this, geez. I've been thinking for a long time about practicing some zerg play with a stopwatch timer. I know people make notes of build orders on a notepad to follow along.

This is not cheating. It does not give the opponent a disadvantage, and if anything for players who aren't already close to this timer, they'll struggle to use it properly beyond the 10 minute mark anyway, as always.

Besides, if you miss an inject and do it halfway, your timer becomes useless.

Anyway, I can't believe people consider this cheating. Next I'll hear skype is cheating, or having someone give you tips while you play. League placement is a non issue in this. It's a non issue for live tournaments, and honestly not even an issue for online tournaments since all of the above is just distracting at a high level.
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Neino
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway295 Posts
November 17 2011 06:24 GMT
#155
On November 17 2011 11:48 idiotech wrote:
It just a tool to help people learn


Weeeeeelll.. You could argue that a bot spreading creep for you is to focus on other stuff and hence help learning.
You could argue that a maphack is to learn how different builds look at different times without checking out replays.

Not sure how much I like this, but then again zerg is the race I play the least, so probably biased. Just saying that argument doesn't hold water.
Carny
Profile Joined April 2009
Croatia284 Posts
November 17 2011 06:27 GMT
#156
Get the fuck out of here you Cheat-Developper!

User was banned for this post.
Shutting from the Sky
KARnyge
Profile Joined October 2010
United States132 Posts
November 17 2011 06:35 GMT
#157
This is a crutch. I know people are saying use it for practice but some people can become dependent on this software.
Battousai13
Profile Joined September 2010
United States638 Posts
November 17 2011 06:36 GMT
#158
This is an excellent tool for playing customs with your friends, or during practice. However, if you were to use this on the ladder, it should be considered cheating. The competition of Starcraft assumes that both players are equal in the physical resources available to them. Use of this add-on obviously tips the equilibrium against the player not using it, even if that player has perfect injects.

I don't condemn the program that has been developed here. I condemn the improper use of this program.
idiotech
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia11 Posts
November 17 2011 06:39 GMT
#159
I have updated the OP with links to the new timers for Terran and Protoss.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 06:42:20
November 17 2011 06:41 GMT
#160
I think the idea of looping an MP3 of Cella telling me to inject is a much better idea.

EDIT: I don't do that, though, because I'd feel like a cheating bastard.
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