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TolEranceNA
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada434 Posts
September 15 2011 19:17 GMT
#101
On September 16 2011 04:15 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:13 TolEranceNA wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:12 ReignFayth wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:08 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I'm not sure whats worse. It will be near impossible to neural collosus micro'd by someone with even a hint of intelligence, and tanks will becomes a pretty damn good counter to festors. Also won't be able to np mothershits at all :|

mothership shud NOT be NP wtfffffffffffffff


Wonderful complain, really shows why you are a "top" protoss player.

if you knew who that was really coming from


If you knew Colossus had a range of 9....
Arotsis:"Nestea, what do you think about Zerg?" Nestea:"...Sad."
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
September 15 2011 19:17 GMT
#102
This is way better than the previous change and should give protoss a fighting chance against late game zerg. That said, terrans will find this change extremely favorable.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
tkRage
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
225 Posts
September 15 2011 19:17 GMT
#103
On September 16 2011 04:16 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:14 tkRage wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:12 ReignFayth wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:08 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I'm not sure whats worse. It will be near impossible to neural collosus micro'd by someone with even a hint of intelligence, and tanks will becomes a pretty damn good counter to festors. Also won't be able to np mothershits at all :|

mothership shud NOT be NP wtfffffffffffffff

Go play Zerg, and get back to me in three months when you make your way out of Diamond, k?

do you know who you're talking to?

like seriously...

it's just as stupid as idra saying morrow would suck with zerg when he played terran and morrow proved him wrong

zerg is not harder to play than protoss, it's just different

I know exactly who I'm talking to rofl. You're not special, and in no way an authority on the game.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
September 15 2011 19:17 GMT
#104
I guess the nerf was cut short

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In seriousness, I like this change. Archons and Thors can still be stopped but Collosi and Siege Tanks are no longer weak to them.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 19:18:25
September 15 2011 19:17 GMT
#105
MUCH better change. Although, as Incontrol suggested, I would've been OK with NP costing 150 energy too.

I like their reasoning that you need good positioning to get it off. That's better than "let's make the ability completely and utterly nu

On September 16 2011 04:01 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 03:59 Nazarid wrote:
On September 16 2011 03:57 ReignFayth wrote:
zerg that are still whining are very delusional about their race -.-


Really you think so?, I am not a zerg player. I am a Random player and think this change is shit.... makes NP useless beyond all measure in ZvP matchups

imo they didn't want infestor to counter colossus this easily, but thor is another story, so now same range as thor is basically the same as infestor -> colossus before

they prob fixed it so ZvT wouldn't become a problem


Yeah, but thors can be defended by tanks though.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8911 Posts
September 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#106
the worst part about this change is that its going to require very little micro to remove the NP if you have any colossi that are not snagged. either a-click on them just move them back and lol as the infestors swim around the back of your army in an attempt to get in range. combine that with some of the tight spaces on the maps and this is just not good. dont even get me started on trying to NP tanks or thors when theres a siege line in place.


seriously. good luck getting in range unless the other player is bad with their army control.

the burden of the NP should be on the other players to remove it as opposed to the zerg trying to get it. IMO, that completely removes the purpose of casting the spell in the first place.

reduce the duration or increase the mana cost.
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slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
September 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#107
lol @ people trying to bash Fayth.
I get it.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
September 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#108
On September 16 2011 04:16 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:14 tkRage wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:12 ReignFayth wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:08 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I'm not sure whats worse. It will be near impossible to neural collosus micro'd by someone with even a hint of intelligence, and tanks will becomes a pretty damn good counter to festors. Also won't be able to np mothershits at all :|

mothership shud NOT be NP wtfffffffffffffff

Go play Zerg, and get back to me in three months when you make your way out of Diamond, k?

do you know who you're talking to?

like seriously...

it's just as stupid as idra saying morrow would suck with zerg when he played terran and morrow proved him wrong

zerg is not harder to play than protoss, it's just different

Seriously dude ive been watching ur posts and you're way too arrogant and you almost always talk randomly abou idra lol

OT: Well better than not being able to use NP at all but i think 9 to 7 is too much, 8 would be okay.
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
September 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#109
I still don't like this change. I know a lot of protoss are struggling, but the end game of PvZ is still favored to Protoss; with good use of feedback or vortex in conjunction with colossus based armies, Protoss is very able to nulify infestors and go right back to the state of the Protoss "unkillable" army. That's not saying that the lategame protoss army IS unkillable, but really defensive minded protoss can and do still roll infestor based armies, and we still don't see a lot of protoss utalizing late game phoenix to GB infestors.

I just feel that this patch is being too hasty on these changes and catering to lower skilled players. A lot of lower skilled players got used to amoving a zerg and always winning and now it doesn't always work, therefore they complain (see most protoss responding to these threads). They're just making this matchup less interesting as it's going to be even easier to get to that "phew, I have enough shit, you can't kill me now" phase of PvZ that you can still get to in the current patch. Im not saying that ALL players struggling with infestors are lower skilled, but there are several good players who have found ways to deal with infestors (agressive h. phoenix scouting, blink stalker harass versus BL heavy play, defensive play mixxed with good HT or mothership usage, etc) and still make zerg look and feel unwinnable late game.

zerg spent a year trying to deal with one thing (mass colossus stalker) unsucessfully and now noteven 2 months of the infestor being strong and a ton of protoss (including community figureheads) are changing their stance from "our stuff isn't too strong, you're just not playing against it right, you need to give it more time" to "you're shit's broken, nerf it". This maatchup has ALWAYS been hard for zerg (even now) and they just keep trying to make it harder because of casual players, and that makes me sad.
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
TolEranceNA
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada434 Posts
September 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#110
On September 16 2011 04:17 Ownos wrote:
MUCH better change. Although, as Incontrol, I would've been OK with NP costing 150 energy too.

I like their reasoning that you need good positioning to get it off. That's better than "let's make the ability completely and utterly nu

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:01 ReignFayth wrote:
On September 16 2011 03:59 Nazarid wrote:
On September 16 2011 03:57 ReignFayth wrote:
zerg that are still whining are very delusional about their race -.-


Really you think so?, I am not a zerg player. I am a Random player and think this change is shit.... makes NP useless beyond all measure in ZvP matchups

imo they didn't want infestor to counter colossus this easily, but thor is another story, so now same range as thor is basically the same as infestor -> colossus before

they prob fixed it so ZvT wouldn't become a problem


Yeah, but thors can be defended by tanks though.


Smartest thing i've heard in this thread, increase the amount of energy required by neural sounds reasonable.
Arotsis:"Nestea, what do you think about Zerg?" Nestea:"...Sad."
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 19:19:07
September 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#111
On September 16 2011 03:44 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 03:43 ZAiNs wrote:
IMO they should have reduced the range of all of the Infestor's spells.

Why not just make infestors melee units? LOL


Yeah because 7 range is melee range.

I'm pleased with this change, It makes more sense, it was nuts how far they could cast it, now the infestor is a little less safe.
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
September 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#112
On September 16 2011 04:17 tkRage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:16 ReignFayth wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:14 tkRage wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:12 ReignFayth wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:08 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I'm not sure whats worse. It will be near impossible to neural collosus micro'd by someone with even a hint of intelligence, and tanks will becomes a pretty damn good counter to festors. Also won't be able to np mothershits at all :|

mothership shud NOT be NP wtfffffffffffffff

Go play Zerg, and get back to me in three months when you make your way out of Diamond, k?

do you know who you're talking to?

like seriously...

it's just as stupid as idra saying morrow would suck with zerg when he played terran and morrow proved him wrong

zerg is not harder to play than protoss, it's just different

I know exactly who I'm talking to rofl. You're not special, and in no way an authority on the game.

are you sure?

wouldn't you assume that someone like kiwikaki would be good at SC2 even before the game came out?
tkRage
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
225 Posts
September 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#113
On September 16 2011 04:18 slam wrote:
lol @ people trying to bash Fayth.

lol @ Fayth trying to bash people, like somehow he's got game knowledge? If you claim that neural parasite needs a nerf, then you clearly don't understand this game AT ALL.
FlaX
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden3 Posts
September 15 2011 19:19 GMT
#114
Textbook Bait-and-switch by blizzard. Guess we'll start seeing more baneling drop once again
Im the shit, and you better smell it!
common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
September 15 2011 19:19 GMT
#115
Im glad that archons and thors will not be broken against zerg now, but

what to do about a protoss who feigns pressure to control the game into blink stalker-collosus based death balls?

It will be impossible to defeat a protoss on smaller maps who plays perfectly.
Never eat at a chinese restraunt located by the pound
Tuthur
Profile Joined July 2010
France985 Posts
September 15 2011 19:19 GMT
#116
I'm actually more pissed than I was before by that change, because I think they would just change their mind and leave NP alone, but it seems like they will stay with that change in the final patch, I personally think the range made the spell already very micro-intensive to be landed correctly (by that I mean not losing a ton of infestors), but that only applies to the roach/infestor comp -who will now block them harder than ever- and not lings/infestor, so let's see how that will turn out, still an unnecessary change imho.
tkRage
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
225 Posts
September 15 2011 19:19 GMT
#117
On September 16 2011 04:18 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:17 tkRage wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:16 ReignFayth wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:14 tkRage wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:12 ReignFayth wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:08 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I'm not sure whats worse. It will be near impossible to neural collosus micro'd by someone with even a hint of intelligence, and tanks will becomes a pretty damn good counter to festors. Also won't be able to np mothershits at all :|

mothership shud NOT be NP wtfffffffffffffff

Go play Zerg, and get back to me in three months when you make your way out of Diamond, k?

do you know who you're talking to?

like seriously...

it's just as stupid as idra saying morrow would suck with zerg when he played terran and morrow proved him wrong

zerg is not harder to play than protoss, it's just different

I know exactly who I'm talking to rofl. You're not special, and in no way an authority on the game.

are you sure?

wouldn't you assume that someone like kiwikaki would be good at SC2 even before the game came out?

What are you even talking about?
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
September 15 2011 19:19 GMT
#118
On September 16 2011 04:17 Ownos wrote:
MUCH better change. Although, as Incontrol suggested, I would've been OK with NP costing 150 energy too.

I like their reasoning that you need good positioning to get it off. That's better than "let's make the ability completely and utterly nu

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:01 ReignFayth wrote:
On September 16 2011 03:59 Nazarid wrote:
On September 16 2011 03:57 ReignFayth wrote:
zerg that are still whining are very delusional about their race -.-


Really you think so?, I am not a zerg player. I am a Random player and think this change is shit.... makes NP useless beyond all measure in ZvP matchups

imo they didn't want infestor to counter colossus this easily, but thor is another story, so now same range as thor is basically the same as infestor -> colossus before

they prob fixed it so ZvT wouldn't become a problem


Yeah, but thors can be defended by tanks though.

they could be defended by tanks when range was 9 too, tanks have 13 range
gabbegubbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden67 Posts
September 15 2011 19:19 GMT
#119
Happy times for me
Think this was a much better change.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
September 15 2011 19:19 GMT
#120
On September 16 2011 04:16 TolEranceNA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:15 kingkapong wrote:
what blizz is trying to do is, you gotta play smarter with your infestors if you want to neural parasite. just like how protoss are now using warp prisms to keep HT safe from emps, zergs will prob have to do something similar.


You are a genius my friend, we should pick up infestor when they neural something so it won't neural and give protoss free win. Splendid!


No, you don't get it.

He's suggesting we you neural a warp prism and use it to protect the infestors to get into range of collosus

By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
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