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Competent
United States406 Posts
On September 07 2011 08:42 RedDragon571 wrote: Starcraft 2 has lost well over a million active players due to ladder fear, lack of continuing interest, League of legends, other games Where the story fell apart... | ||
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
Lol, i didn't mean to insert any bias. LOL, is definitely stealing the spotlight at MLG from sc2. You gotta admit that LOL doesnt have a steeper learning curve than sc2. | ||
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kankerganker
Denmark58 Posts
On September 07 2011 11:53 RedDragon571 wrote: Sounds right on the money to me! awesome picture, I didn't realize you could do that in 2 years. Need to start working out again, lol. I used to have 15 more pounds of muscle on myself O.o. On Culture, Asians are very humble and I think this is very synonymous with a growth mindset! to do that in 2 years you need steroids, lots of them :D | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
Dear god. | ||
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Supert0fu
United States499 Posts
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Eiviyn
United Kingdom169 Posts
Laddering puts you under pressure. Some enjoy it, others, like myself, don't. I don't think you can read any further into it than that. Removing the pressure from leagues would solve this for me. A league where you can't lose rating or rank would do this, though obviously it's implementation would have to be very craftily done to make the league still mean something without just being a grind. This probably isn't possible. | ||
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:13 lizzard_warish wrote: Nothings more hysterical than a post claiming Americans do worse than fucking Europeans because they dont have a winners mindset. You know, America, the country where everything is engendered towards working hard and succeeding and it being your own fault if you fail, compared to sweden where...work is what? That annoying thing you do for a handful of hours every now and again. Dear god. Seems a bit biased, You ever been to Sweden or Korea? It also has nothing to do with how much you work, but your attitude towards work. I live in america and believe me a love of hard work isn't especially a virtue, especially in the gaming demo-graph (young middle-class guys). where do you live? | ||
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gamecrazy
United States421 Posts
I do like the analysis on the drop of active players, and it doesn't surprise me that the most active players were lost between bronze and gold leagues. We saw that happen with other games, most notably with Iccup, and it's bound to happen to SC2 as well. | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:10 RedDragon571 wrote: Lol, i didn't mean to insert any bias. LOL, is definitely stealing the spotlight at MLG from sc2. You gotta admit that LOL doesnt have a steeper learning curve than sc2. Wait What? I just heard their spectator client failed and that the LoL crowd was much smaller than SC2. Where did they steal SC2's thunder? | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
Cheers | ||
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:15 Eiviyn wrote: I disagree with the whole "growth vs fixed mindset", it seems like it's based entirely on assumptions of the individual. Laddering puts you under pressure. Some enjoy it, others, like myself, don't. I don't think you can read any further into it than that. Removing the pressure from leagues would solve this for me. A league where you can't lose rating or rank would do this, though obviously it's implementation would have to be very craftily done to make the league still mean something without just being a grind. This probably isn't possible. You have a fixed mindset bro, Your more concerned with the results (your league and rank) than the journey it took to get there (refining your build, delaying an overlord so you can survive a 5 second timing window.) If you'd rather have a shiny symbol and the feeling your better than alot of other people, than work to understand and play the game better, than this game isn't for you. | ||
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
On September 07 2011 10:47 lunchrush wrote: This mindset thing is definitely a valid psychological construct; I'm working in a metacognition lab at a pretty damn good university, and one survey we give to every subject asks them how they feel about it. In general, people who have what the OP calls 'fixed mindset' are worse at knowing how much they know, and perform worse than those with a 'growth mindset' on many psychological tasks, especially metacognitive judgments. If you think you can't change, you never will. I have a friend who started in Bronze and now he's high Diamond, playing Masters players pretty regularly on ladder. When a friend of mine started lifting, he couldn't bench the bar ten times, now he's repping 135. It's also definitely true that in Asian cultures, the growth mindset is much more prevalent. I firmly believe that this is the cause of Asian-American students dominating most American universities. The Western world has been fed the 'genetics is destiny' lie so much that we just use it as an excuse to not try to improve, because we never will, right? ![[image loading]](http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/7/78/Zyzz-Progress2.jpg) Right? People can say what they want to about Zyzz, but damn he was an inspiration. RIP | ||
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:16 RedDragon571 wrote: Canada, near the border [as everyone is basically]. And no shit teenagers arent the most motivated [though im sure thats replicated in europe as well]. Either way any casual glance at the amount americans [and to a lesser extent canadians] work relative to their European counterparts, or looking at stats on what people consider important etc etc, it comes back overwhelming: North Americans work far far far far more than Europeans [western europeans that is] and put a far far far higher importance on work, the necessity of succeeding on your own, and money. The result? North Americans are far more fucking ambitious. We dont have like four month vacations like sweden, surprise, kinda have to be.Seems a bit biased, You ever been to Sweden or Korea? It also has nothing to do with how much you work, but your attitude towards work. I live in america and believe me a love of hard work isn't especially a virtue, especially in the gaming demo-graph (young middle-class guys). where do you live? Most counter intuitive thing I ever heard, Europeans being work orientated. http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/11/28/051128ta_talk_surowiecki In case anyone randomly thinks Europeans work anywhere near comparatively to Americans. | ||
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:19 VeryAverage wrote: People can say what they want to about Zyzz, but damn he was an inspiration. RIP I think he died of an enlarged heart(steroids) in a thai spa or something, hookers were involved? | ||
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Genie1
Canada333 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
I feel like a must be some combination of the two mindsets. I don't like losing, and am not a fan of having my builds get ripped apart or ridiculed, but I also have a pretty good work ethic and am willing to analyze my losses. | ||
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:20 lizzard_warish wrote: Canada, near the border [as everyone is basically]. And no shit teenagers arent the most motivated [though im sure thats replicated in europe as well]. Either way any casual glance at the amount americans [and to a lesser extent canadians] work relative to their European counterparts, or looking at stats on what people consider important etc etc, it comes back overwhelming: North Americans work far far far far more than Europeans [western europeans that is] and put a far far far higher importance on work, the necessity of succeeding on your own, and money. The result? North Americans are far more fucking ambitious. We dont have like four month vacations like sweden, surprise, kinda have to be. Most counter intuitive thing I ever heard, Europeans being work orientated. I think your misunderstanding me, I live in the midwest, and the focus for most americans around here, Is not on the work but the money. The whole american mindset is make as much money as you can as fast as you can so you DON'T have to work. Yes work is of a high importance because the real emphasis is on money and not work. It is extremely counter intuitive and actually your exactly right about american importance of work. Americans are concerned with self image and money, not much value is placed upon the actual act of doing work. Maybe its different where you live and of course we are generalizing an entire country. | ||
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Relickey
United States145 Posts
On September 07 2011 12:04 RedDragon571 wrote: Yeah their paying me 10 dollar per response by the author's company who is rich as bawlz. I've showed them how advertising on TL will lead to direct profit will benefit the greedy mistress Carol Dweck herself ( Yes, She builds 4 orbital commands in her base, before barracks, while teaching her psych class). Did I mention I am also a free mason sent by the illuminati to sell this book, It is necessary to change the mindset of the human race in order so that they will be more resistant? in the face of an imminent alien invasion after the awakening of the ancient vampires under stonehenge and the great pyramids. They will feast upon the earth O.o? + Show Spoiler + ROFL, no, I was not paid to sell anything. Its a book that helped me personally and I thought it had alot of application to sc2. btw. "You can see that Starcraft 2 has lost well over a million active players due to ladder fear, lack of continuing interest, League of legends, other games and other misc reason:" I said that? You might want to put a TL:DR in your post, or something or read more carefully? I feel like this is a pretty aggresive response to mine. I meant no harm, but I wasn't born yesterday. I've also walked past a plethora of cellphone kiosks at malls, and one of my hobbies is watching infomercials, I know a sales pitche when I see one. I guess viral advertisement is the new thing, huh? Never would have thought it would've happened upon TL. | ||
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