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On September 12 2011 07:44 Glockateer wrote:
Thanks for this thread. I'm one of those people who have had success in everything with minimal effort but that can only get me so far. I always gave myself reason to be unfocused and not work hard for anything. This gave me a lot to think about, and I'm working to change my mindset starting today so maybe you'll see more of me in the future.
Thats what this thread is all about :D
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How do you change your mindset from a fixed to a growth one?
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On September 12 2011 23:42 Clbull wrote:
How do you change your mindset from a fixed to a growth one?
Honestly it sounds crazy, but you have to talk to yourself, not out loud of course, but if it helps, why not.
Its hard but I found the best way is finding the voice/reasoning in your mind that:
Make excuses for what you can and cannot do, when you encounter a challenge or something difficult.
response: Tell yourself, that you are not limited by what people say you can and cannot do. If your not good at something its because you haven't had enough practice or you never really tried that. Attempt new things.
The part that tries to shelter your ego, by blaming something else other than yourself.
response: You lose a game or something goes wrong. Tell yourself its not luck, its not someone else, its not anything else. If you lost or something went wrong, there is always something you could have done better. Focus on that. If you lose or fail in some way. Don't concentrate or mull in your lose or failure, focus one WHAT YOU LEARNED from that experience. Reflect that because that happened you understand how to deal with that situation and you've grown.
Interprets every personal remark someone makes about you or something you do, as a comment on your person or pride.
response: someone just said you supply block yourself all the time. You hear, your a shitty player and a fucking noob. What you should hear, I supply block myself alot, I need to change something in my play, I'm going to iron out my builds a bit more, and focus my next 10 ladder games on not getting supply blocked.
the part that tells you that you don't want to work or practice because you don't have to.
response: You hear, If i have to practice that mean's im not good. You should hear, I need to practice in order to get better, I am going to embrace this challenge and really get myself into this new build or look at some replays and write down some timing attacks to be safe against.
the part that makes you jealous when someone else is doing good, or the part that tries to constantly justify why other people are not better than you in some aspects, or why your a better overall person.
Your friend makes master league and your still in diamond. You think, Jeez how'd he get into masters league I'm so much better than him, I beat him all the time. You should think, Wow im really happy my friend got into masters, I wonder what he improved to do it, maybe i can learn from him. I've got a masters practice partner awesome, Lets go run some practice games so I can refine my matchup.
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Good post, after reading this i am 100% positive that i have a fixed mindset TT, so here i got all the reasons why i fear the ladder. Gotta ladder some more but its soooo hard to hit the find match button , anyways the op helped me thinking a lot clearer about myself, thank you.
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On September 13 2011 06:58 Pred8oar wrote:Good post, after reading this i am 100% positive that i have a fixed mindset TT, so here i got all the reasons why i fear the ladder. Gotta ladder some more but its soooo hard to hit the find match button , anyways the op helped me thinking a lot clearer about myself, thank you.
Good to hear, tyty, Good luck and GG's!
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I have the most fixed mindset ever and after realizing it can point out points in my life where it held me back, glad to know what I have to work on now and that I can stop blaming luck/talent for my downfalls.
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You wanna figure out if you have growth versus fixed mindset?
Play Demon's Souls.
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Holy crap thats a nice read! Well done.
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"1. Korean's are in general better than everyone followed by European's (scandanavians) which are both much better than North Americans."
Are you serious? Or just being a troll.
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On September 07 2011 09:14 RedDragon571 wrote:
Foreign players also do not actively try to improve their mechanics. Have you ever seen sjow against a korean, its disqusting watching sjows minerals go up to 900 just causes hes attacking. .
I love your original OP for the most part, but I will argue with this bit about Sjow. Everybody likes to say high APM means better play, but for perfect micro a little slower APM (focus only on the battle and ignore macro for 15 seconds) is often better. And sometimes one battle can win the game, so you have to know if and when that battle occurs and take advantage of that situation if you are the perfect player. Obviously it means your macro suffers for a period of time if you do this, but that is a judgement call.
If Sjow wins a game because he lost zero units in a key micro battle, that may have been smarter than if he had lost 5 units, retreated, and regrouped with 7 perfectly queued/rallied units that took 20 seconds to arrive at the battle.
I feel like I'm not stating my point perfectly, but every time I try to take 2 minutes to post somebody comes in here with something.
EDIT: Here's an analogy to what I'm trying to say. In the wild west, the guy who won the shootout was the guy who took a split second to aim perfectly and killed the other guy with the first shot. Micro takes an extra split second here and there to do 100% perfectly. Now in SC 2, you shouldn't be microing perfectly all the time... it'll get you dead. But sometimes you can go for that killing blow, and then it's worth it.
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This is such an enlightening post. Thank you for sharing.
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On September 14 2011 04:14 jambOng wrote:Show nested quote +"1. Korean's are in general better than everyone followed by European's (scandanavians) which are both much better than North Americans." Are you serious? Or just being a troll.
Nah he seems serious about painting with nation-wide strokes. Americans aren't doing good in SC2 because they all have a fixed mindset. Scandinavia is famous for their handful of good SC2 players so their country must provide a growth mindset.
Sounds reasonable? No? Nah, i don't think so either.
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Epic post is epic. Fixed mindset has probably caused me more problems in life than I know. Have to work to change that.
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On September 14 2011 05:49 Blacklizard wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 09:14 RedDragon571 wrote:
Foreign players also do not actively try to improve their mechanics. Have you ever seen sjow against a korean, its disqusting watching sjows minerals go up to 900 just causes hes attacking. . I love your original OP for the most part, but I will argue with this bit about Sjow. Everybody likes to say high APM means better play, but for perfect micro a little slower APM (focus only on the battle and ignore macro for 15 seconds) is often better. And sometimes one battle can win the game, so you have to know if and when that battle occurs and take advantage of that situation if you are the perfect player. Obviously it means your macro suffers for a period of time if you do this, but that is a judgement call. If Sjow wins a game because he lost zero units in a key micro battle, that may have been smarter than if he had lost 5 units, retreated, and regrouped with 7 perfectly queued/rallied units that took 20 seconds to arrive at the battle. I feel like I'm not stating my point perfectly, but every time I try to take 2 minutes to post somebody comes in here with something. EDIT: Here's an analogy to what I'm trying to say. In the wild west, the guy who won the shootout was the guy who took a split second to aim perfectly and killed the other guy with the first shot. Micro takes an extra split second here and there to do 100% perfectly. Now in SC 2, you shouldn't be microing perfectly all the time... it'll get you dead. But sometimes you can go for that killing blow, and then it's worth it.
I'm just saying there is no reason he can't do both. Koreans do both flawlessly, MVP micros perfectly while macroing, that's why hes the best in the world. I understand that when you have limited APM you can prioritize very intelligently but I think its a false dichotomy, because the third answer is just improve your mechanics till you have the apm to do both.
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On September 07 2011 09:13 BabyToss! wrote:Thank you for sharing this article, dear OP. I've found myself to be a typical example of 'Fixed mindset' by reading couple of definitions, although I'd argue couple of points against. But yeah, I hope with time, i'll be able to change it, even though I believe it's not uncommon knowledge that it's very difficult task to change one's mindset, especially if it was part of someone for so many years. Would definitelly read again. 
I don't know about you, or other people, but my mindset has changed drastically with time, as a 14-15 YO i used to believe i was the king of the world, and could beat anyone in anything, if i wanted to. Now i know for a fact that close to everything needs really hard work to become the best, or close to it.
Even if you want to become the best burgerflipper at McDonalds, that's gonna take alot of hard work, nothing can be done with talent alone.
I actually can almost pinpoint the exact point where i competely changed my mindset. I was playing the easiest game in the world (WoW) and found myself and two teammates doing pretty well, but we had some trouble with small specific things, and it felt like, right out of the blue i took a step back and looked at myself and realized i was a big part of that problem due to considering myself above average for no apparent reason. After getting that feeling, i've never ever criticised anyone before thoroughly reviewing my own play.
And with age and general life experince i feel like these things come naturally, the hard thing is having traits like these at a young enough age to process what's actually happening around you.
I think this is a big reason why Koreans are so much better than the rest of the world right now. Their culture/upbrining is vastly different from what europeans & americans are used to, and hard work seems to be introduced to them at a much younger age, and thus they learn the "real" world alot earlier, and apply the necessary effort to succeed.
This is just my opinion/theory, and i'd be happy to be proven wrong anytime!
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I wa also in fear of laddering but now i dont give a shit on ladder i play to be better. gg after game. I found out that after i have lost my care about ladder points i can play normaly
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On September 14 2011 17:01 Hexagecz wrote:
I wa also in fear of laddering but now i dont give a shit on ladder i play to be better. gg after game. I found out that after i have lost my care about ladder points i can play normaly
Obviously you care, just not in the same way as before. I mean if you don't give a crap, why even bother? Finding good players to custom with would be better if that's the case, i would think.
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wow what a great Article - that really touched me. I definately recognized myself in the fixed mindset section.
That makes so much sense, allthough I believe my fixed mindset takes this article as excuse for me not playing ladder. I will definately read more about that and try to change my mindset in the future.
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On September 14 2011 17:06 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 17:01 Hexagecz wrote:
I wa also in fear of laddering but now i dont give a shit on ladder i play to be better. gg after game. I found out that after i have lost my care about ladder points i can play normaly
Obviously you care, just not in the same way as before. I mean if you don't give a crap, why even bother? Finding good players to custom with would be better if that's the case, i would think.
customs are good for practicing builds, but to actually improve, not really. I mean one game is a bronze the next is a Grandmaster, are you really learning anything?
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