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brryjankens
Canada22 Posts
On September 07 2011 08:47 kineticSYN wrote: decent writeup, but one of the things that immediately stood out... huk did not make it to ro4 gsl lol, was ro8 the players lost per season is pretty insane stat to see he did say round 8 | ||
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IBeta
United States77 Posts
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
I edited it :D | ||
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Xelus
United States16 Posts
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yakitate304
United States655 Posts
I'll take a look at this book as well. | ||
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BabyToss!
Czech Republic588 Posts
On September 07 2011 09:15 RedDragon571 wrote: Story of my life, try that book i listed called Mindset by Carol dweck, some of the most valuable stuff I ever read. Remember not every part of your personaility in necessarily fixed, most people have alot of different growth and fixed parts. It does indeed take alot of work with a lot of remissions, but just never give up. I've been trying to discover more about myself as a person because of StarCraft 2 recently, trying to understand why I feel this and that way when something happens and how to deal with it. Because mindset plays huge part in StarCraft 2, I realized I had to grab my problems from their roots. Funnily enough, if it wasn't for SC2 (yes, SC2 means a lot for me, but that's loong story), I'd be still stuck deep down in my old self; never trying to go on with anything, giving up immediatelly after facing obstacles and saying 'I have no talent, so why should I try? I'll be hopeless anyways, no matter what I do'. So I'm indeed speaking from personal experience, when it comes to dealing with any sort of mindset problem. Sometimes, at my worst, I still feel like throwing it out of the window, giving up and going back to my old self; but when something is as important as this is to me, I hope it'd be the true drive for an actual change. Just have to constantly remind myself of that, write stuff down and sort out my own thoughts - it does help. Once again, I enjoyed reading your contribution.  | ||
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
On September 07 2011 09:25 yakitate304 wrote: Fantastic post. This certainly makes me re-evaluate the way I approach the game from a mental standpoint, although I don't suffer from "ladder fear". Too often I hoped to see my opponents doing (in the past) anything but a 4-gate, or (current) anything but 1-1-1, or anything but a Bane/Ling all-in, because I assumed "these are just bad players winning because of a strategy", when in reality there are thousands of players who have learned through practice how to deal effectively with all of them and win the game. I'll take a look at this book as well. Great glad I can help! I used to fear that way about alot of builds, but once i focused more on figuring out how to stop these builds and less on raging at these players are started to figure out, that solid mechanics with the knowledge of responses to different builds will shoot you up on ladder dramatically. | ||
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CooDu
Australia899 Posts
I like to think I'm a growth mindset, but losing sometimes does irk me out. Hell, I've gotten a lot better than I used to be though. Those lost players stats are crazy too, but as you say, SC2 doesn't offer enough instant gratification for casuals who don't enjoy the game to get better. I've noticed this a lot on SEA, a lot less players but as a result a lot more good folks, not much BM, and generally good games overall. Great contribution to TL overall | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
Self help and Starcraft! Love it. | ||
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mTwRINE
Germany318 Posts
Easy concept but able to explain alot. | ||
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
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itsTheSituatioN
United States70 Posts
so we're left with the obvious: people with a mindset to seek improvement will get better | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On September 07 2011 08:42 RedDragon571 wrote: Hi, EffOrt here, Not the real one (the real one sold his soul to the devil for sc1 skills at the cost of looking like an alien.) God I laughed so hard at this (: Great read though! | ||
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
On September 07 2011 09:36 itsTheSituatioN wrote: MVP does 1-1-1, so your argument there is invalid. so we're left with the obvious: people with a mindset to seek improvement will get better not sure you understood the content, but I didn't expect to help everyone :D. MVP doesnt prefer to 1-1-1, because hes interested in more solid and long lasting ways to win. It would seem obvious, but the hard part is figuring out if your lying to yourself, whats in your subconscious isn't always obvious. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
i think most people who stop playing a game do this because they are bored of it and dont like it anymore. I think only someone who cares for ladder can have "ladder fear" and the ones who care stay... | ||
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zyce
United States649 Posts
Korean is one of a select few "Language Isolates" that does not draw from any other language. The way we speak often steers our critical thinking in many different ways, for reasons which I don't need to get into now. An example being the Aboriginal peoples of Australia, who instead of using terms like "to the left" or "behind you" always refer to the cardinal direction of an object. The man is North of me. If an Aboriginal can't SEE the man North of him, he *will* say something to the effect of "A man was North of me". Most Aboriginals have a near perfect sense of cardinal direction. I am curious if the Korean language isolate is responsible for any of the differences between Koreans and foreigners. While surely the most weight rests on culture and practice regimen, I find this a very interesting and unexplored area. Thanks again! Unfortunate edit: I don't believe in "persona dichotomies" as the book you reference professes. I believe this to be much the same as believing in "Good" and "Evil", which I also believe to be a false dichotomy. My post seemed to indicate I was in complete agreeance with you, whilst in reality I disagree heavily on this and some other points. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
That said, maybe TL is a progaming site and it is good to have a cool discussion like this but i dont think everyone has the same attitude towards a game and his college final exams. To me I stopped playing 1v1 because i feel depressed even if i won the game. And no i dont want to be a pro gamer so i dont wanna spend that much time on this (broken) game especially when everyone can learn bunker rush in 5mins time. I am waiting HotS to see if zerg gets something otherwise i am quite done with ladder  edit: not that i am whining the game is broken or anything (look at nestea <3 my hero!!!) but if you look at 'common' player like Destiny, after playing the game for so long still die to bunker rush from time to time. zerg players will understand what i meant. i simply cant play a game like this. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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Turbo.Tactics
Germany675 Posts
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
On September 07 2011 09:34 mTwRINE wrote: Great post. I used to have a growth mindset in SC1 but with huge RTS experience and easy start in SC2 I lost it somewhere on the way. Easy concept but able to explain alot. I feel like a lot of really good Sc1 foreigners have had to deal with this same thing, particularly Idra and Tyler. They don't have the same work ethic they used too, Good points! | ||
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