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On September 02 2011 15:24 benjammin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:22 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:21 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Xeris apparently has an email. In any case, Fenix was apparently dropped from Fnatic because of his conduct. Then by all means take him to court. Until it is legally proven that there was an agreement in which Fenix promised money to TT1 I refuse to believe it. On September 02 2011 15:22 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. http://www.fnatic.com/news/8331/GameGune-Fenix-1st-TT1-2nd.htmlXeris Posted Dec 12, 2010 at 19:56 REPLY They decided to split the prizemoney btw . =D So 7.5k for each =D That is far from evidence. so you think fnatic's team manager just made that up? and they dropped fenix for no reason?
I stated there is no evidence that they had an agreement. A post by Xeris doesn't count as evidence. I don't know the politics between the team and the players but yes, it is possible anything could have been made up/misunderstood.
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On September 02 2011 15:24 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:23 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Common sense tells us that at least TT1 tried to set it up :p. Whether or not Fenix fully understood is a different story, but there's no reason to make up something like this with no grounds. There's nothing to gain for TT1 and only bad publicity to gain for Fnatic. Sometimes people do things out of bad blood purely to tarnish another person's opinion. Not saying this is the case, but it is just as likely a possibility.
jesus christ.... TT1 would never have done that for no reason at all, and I've been told by other people that Fenix has always been a lying and greedy person
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On September 02 2011 15:24 xBillehx wrote:
My problem with this is there's absolutely no guarantee players will still play to their best with one less thing to lose in a match. You can assume they will because of other things won, such as fame and maybe bonuses, but there's no guarantee. I'm also curious why this isn't done publicly if people feel like it shouldn't be a problem. Why is it done behind the backs of the tournament organizers and fans if it isn't shady?
It wasn't done shadily. Xeris posted about it on the Fnatic website. Also there is no way to guarantee that players won't throw the game anyways. "I gotta pee, guess I'll cheese" (Actually happened in BW and the guy won :D )
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I agree with the argument that it decreases pressure. For some people, there is a difference when significant money is on the line especially for a scene whose players are not exactly rich. Pressure will affect the game in both positive and negative ways and spectators and tournament organizers usually want to see how players perform in this pressured situation. Deal-making deprive the games of that.
However, It is hard to fault deal-making in my opinion because it's just modifying the prize distribution. There are still more advantages in becoming the winner. Also, the prize is not split 50-50 all the time.
I think for most who can't relate it. Think of it this way. You and your friend are going to play in the final of a local LAN with 100 bucks for 1st prize and 25 bucks for 2nd prize. Before playing, both of you agreed that winner will treat the loser for a nice dinner afterwards. Now, that doesn't sound so wrong does it now.
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On September 02 2011 15:24 xBillehx wrote:
My problem with this is there's absolutely no guarantee players will still play to their best with one less thing to lose in a match. You can assume they will because of other things won, such as fame and maybe bonuses, but there's no guarantee. I'm also curious why this isn't done publicly if people feel like it shouldn't be a problem. Why is it done behind the backs of the tournament organizers and fans if it isn't shady?
While I have no problem with it I understand why its not done publicly. It's not good press. At least in my opinion the spectators want to see whoever won the prize money reap the benefits of their hard work and maybe buy some new toys or some good food or  with their prize money. After seeing my favorite player with a huge tournament it would be kind of sad to know he was only going to receive a small percentage of his winnings for personal use.
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On September 02 2011 15:25 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:24 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:23 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Common sense tells us that at least TT1 tried to set it up :p. Whether or not Fenix fully understood is a different story, but there's no reason to make up something like this with no grounds. There's nothing to gain for TT1 and only bad publicity to gain for Fnatic. Sometimes people do things out of bad blood purely to tarnish another person's opinion. Not saying this is the case, but it is just as likely a possibility. But at the cost of jeopardize his team's reputation and his own career in starcraft 2? I highly doubt it.
Speculation on both sides. Once again, no evidence so take what you hear with a gain of salt.
On September 02 2011 15:26 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:24 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:23 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Common sense tells us that at least TT1 tried to set it up :p. Whether or not Fenix fully understood is a different story, but there's no reason to make up something like this with no grounds. There's nothing to gain for TT1 and only bad publicity to gain for Fnatic. Sometimes people do things out of bad blood purely to tarnish another person's opinion. Not saying this is the case, but it is just as likely a possibility. jesus christ.... TT1 would never have done that for no reason at all, and I've been told by other people that Fenix has always been a lying and greedy person
I never said he did, just that it was a possibility.
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On September 02 2011 15:08 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:00 ArchDC wrote:On September 02 2011 14:53 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" it isn't, results arent decided beforehand, it's like saying IdrA playing on tilt is match fixing because the result of the match shouldn't have gone this way if idra wasn't tilted Fayth, personally I think it is fine between team-mates as the animosity and not helping each other out is bad. However, would you agree that without huge prize money on the line, the games would not be as... impactful? True it is still worth playing for pride, recognition, bragging rights etc., but playing for X amount of $ is just another incentive/push/etc. to bring the most of out a player and the game. I do not think the players play better because X amount of money is involved they do however do whatever they think is the best way to win (such as marine/scv all in which doesn't make for good or entertaining games) so really it is up for debate wether or not the games are better from a fan's point of view when the pressure has been greatly dropped down
Am not saying they play better, pressure can affect game-play but the point is $ is another incentive to 'play better/try and win'. SCV all-in etc. can be prevented and is frowned upon generally (maybe once in a Bo5 or Bo7 is ok to shake things up and keep players honest to safer builds).
Personally, I feel the game is simply not as epic knowing $ is not on the line. Pressure which can destroy a player's performance, is also what can bring the most out of a player.
End of the day you are right in that spectators just want to watch crisp competitive games (the occasional ownage/pwnage is q fun to watch too). But don't let us know $ is no longer on the line. I want to watch a game where the player has given it his/her all.
First time winners of the OSL/MSL can never control their emotions because of the years of intense grinding they have done to try and qualify for a professional license, then the intense grinding out w B-teamers for years, then graduating as an A-teamer and competing in the Star-leagues hoping to just make it to the next round against another A-teamer who has grinded out just hard.
Ganzi winning Code A and recalling his immense toil in BW without recognition is a good example. When so much is on the line, epic moments are created. Diamonds are made from pressure. I will end the cliches here, but I hope you can see the merits from this POV as well.
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On September 02 2011 15:28 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:25 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:24 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:23 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Common sense tells us that at least TT1 tried to set it up :p. Whether or not Fenix fully understood is a different story, but there's no reason to make up something like this with no grounds. There's nothing to gain for TT1 and only bad publicity to gain for Fnatic. Sometimes people do things out of bad blood purely to tarnish another person's opinion. Not saying this is the case, but it is just as likely a possibility. But at the cost of jeopardize his team's reputation and his own career in starcraft 2? I highly doubt it. Speculation on both sides. Once again, no evidence so take what you hear with a gain of salt.
This isn't speculation. If you go out and involve your manager and reveal some behind the scenes actions that weren't announced already and they weren't true, it's pretty obvious who would be in trouble then.
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On September 02 2011 15:26 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:24 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:22 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:21 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Xeris apparently has an email. In any case, Fenix was apparently dropped from Fnatic because of his conduct. Then by all means take him to court. Until it is legally proven that there was an agreement in which Fenix promised money to TT1 I refuse to believe it. On September 02 2011 15:22 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. http://www.fnatic.com/news/8331/GameGune-Fenix-1st-TT1-2nd.htmlXeris Posted Dec 12, 2010 at 19:56 REPLY They decided to split the prizemoney btw . =D So 7.5k for each =D That is far from evidence. so you think fnatic's team manager just made that up? and they dropped fenix for no reason? I stated there is no evidence that they had an agreement. A post by Xeris doesn't count as evidence. I don't know the politics between the team and the players but yes, it is possible anything could have been made up/misunderstood.
that's the best evidence you'll get with a verbal agreement. of course tt1 has no recourse which is why when someone reneges on a verbal agreement you let everyone know about it
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Not sure if this has been gone over much (tl;dr thread), but:
In the world of Poker, as well as Magic: The Gathering, it is fairly common for players to agree to some % of their winnings.
An example:
Player A and Player B agree to split 10% of their winnings.
Player A wins $100
Player B wins $50
Player A gives Player B $5.00
Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
In terms of "K, we play in the top 4 of GSL, 50/50 split?"
Still don't see anything wrong with that. Generally the desire for the trophy is enough to keep them going. Besides, what's to stop them from doing this? They can agree before hand, in private or whatever, and pay them when they get their prize money.
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On September 02 2011 15:30 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:28 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:25 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:24 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:23 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Common sense tells us that at least TT1 tried to set it up :p. Whether or not Fenix fully understood is a different story, but there's no reason to make up something like this with no grounds. There's nothing to gain for TT1 and only bad publicity to gain for Fnatic. Sometimes people do things out of bad blood purely to tarnish another person's opinion. Not saying this is the case, but it is just as likely a possibility. But at the cost of jeopardize his team's reputation and his own career in starcraft 2? I highly doubt it. Speculation on both sides. Once again, no evidence so take what you hear with a gain of salt. This isn't speculation. If you go out and involve your manager and reveal some behind the scenes actions that weren't announced already and they weren't true, it's pretty obvious who would be in trouble then.
Yes because justice is always served 100% accurately and people always play by the rules.
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On September 02 2011 15:31 benjammin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:26 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:24 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:22 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:21 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Xeris apparently has an email. In any case, Fenix was apparently dropped from Fnatic because of his conduct. Then by all means take him to court. Until it is legally proven that there was an agreement in which Fenix promised money to TT1 I refuse to believe it. On September 02 2011 15:22 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 14:49 CoR wrote:
tt1 is the one to blame for me
it sould be good finals and he does 1base carrier and not taking final for real ? that should be never allowed so plz dont allow this kind of match prearangement
@faiyth not match fixing in kind of the normal understanding but still it is. not playing real knowing i get money anyways make not normal result and the match is "fixed" how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. http://www.fnatic.com/news/8331/GameGune-Fenix-1st-TT1-2nd.htmlXeris Posted Dec 12, 2010 at 19:56 REPLY They decided to split the prizemoney btw . =D So 7.5k for each =D That is far from evidence. so you think fnatic's team manager just made that up? and they dropped fenix for no reason? I stated there is no evidence that they had an agreement. A post by Xeris doesn't count as evidence. I don't know the politics between the team and the players but yes, it is possible anything could have been made up/misunderstood. that's the best evidence you'll get with a verbal agreement. of course tt1 has no recourse which is why when someone reneges on a verbal agreement you let everyone know about it
If that's the best evidence there is then I wont be just taking TT1's word for it.
Fenix won the prize money, TT1 was not legally entitled to it as there was no verbal agreement and if there was; it was not adequately witnessed to constitute a proper verbal contract so in which case Fenix didn't "steal" anything.
If there was a proper legal agreement in place and both parties were in complete understanding and then Fenix went against the terms of this contract then yes, it could be a breach of contract but it is still not "stolen" and TT1 should get the law involved. If he's not pursuing it legally I have no reason to believe there was an adequate agreement in place.
For it to be "stolen" TT1 needs to be in possession of it.
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I just watched the 3 matches between BratOK and Stephano. The series was obviously a joke, but the third game was an epic failure of e-sports. BratOK Battlecruiser rushed, and Stephano proxy hatched to BratOK's natural, like he was doing a Funday Monday. BratOK killed off a bunch of Zerg units, and retreated his BC which was only down to about 60% health to "repair", but really giving Zerg time to recover as he could have easily wiped him out. He then got a second BC out, pushed to his natural occupied by Stephano and the following convo ensued:
BratOK: gg
BratOK: gl
Stephano: NO
BratOK has left the game.
Now, watching that on Youtube, it was quite funny, but I knew what I was expecting from this thread. If I was a spectator spending my afternoon to see some good Starcraft 2 play, I'd be pretty disappointed with the series. Before watching this, I was kind of thinking that throwing games to make the path forward easier was strategic and I didn't have a problem with it. I've changed my mind, and also lost respect for BratOK. Not so much Stephano because I didn't know who he was before watching.
I now expect players to try to win, no matter who they face in the future. It's a fucking tournament. It's probably a problem with the organizers and maybe a system where they didn't know who they would face, if possible, would have been better. But if I was the event organizer or a sponsor, that series was an embarrassing and I would take action to make sure it didn't happen in the future.
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On September 02 2011 15:34 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:30 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:28 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:25 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:24 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:23 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 14:52 benjammin wrote:
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how on earth can you say someone should get 2500 stolen from them for playing a certain way? and according to tt1 it was charge > 2 base carrier, but for the life of me i cant find the games anywhere Stealing his own prize winnings? Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Common sense tells us that at least TT1 tried to set it up :p. Whether or not Fenix fully understood is a different story, but there's no reason to make up something like this with no grounds. There's nothing to gain for TT1 and only bad publicity to gain for Fnatic. Sometimes people do things out of bad blood purely to tarnish another person's opinion. Not saying this is the case, but it is just as likely a possibility. But at the cost of jeopardize his team's reputation and his own career in starcraft 2? I highly doubt it. Speculation on both sides. Once again, no evidence so take what you hear with a gain of salt. This isn't speculation. If you go out and involve your manager and reveal some behind the scenes actions that weren't announced already and they weren't true, it's pretty obvious who would be in trouble then. Yes because justice is always served 100% accurately and people always play by the rules. HA
What? At the very least you should admit that Fnatic cares about its own reputation and so does TT1. If TT1 ruins Fnatic's reputation whether he is right or not, he will get in trouble.
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As has been said many, many times already, 'deal making' in poker and MTG is not comparable to starcraft 2 tournaments that make their money on viewership.
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doesn't boxer talk about doing this in his biography
just throwing this out there
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On September 02 2011 15:26 StutteR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:24 xBillehx wrote:
My problem with this is there's absolutely no guarantee players will still play to their best with one less thing to lose in a match. You can assume they will because of other things won, such as fame and maybe bonuses, but there's no guarantee. I'm also curious why this isn't done publicly if people feel like it shouldn't be a problem. Why is it done behind the backs of the tournament organizers and fans if it isn't shady? It wasn't done shadily. Xeris posted about it on the Fnatic website. Also there is no way to guarantee that players won't throw the game anyways. "I gotta pee, guess I'll cheese" (Actually happened in BW and the guy won :D )
So because other reasons can make a person throw the game it's quite okay to add one on top of that? I'm not following the logic. (BTW wasn't that shine? haha)
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the only problem with this would be if either player throws the game. If both still try their absolute best to win, then it would make no difference from a spectator point of view. This is different to match fixing which is based on gambling (as in the public bets on the results).
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On September 02 2011 15:35 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:34 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:30 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:28 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:25 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:24 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:23 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 15:20 benjammin wrote:On September 02 2011 15:17 Tektos wrote:
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Stealing his own prize winnings?
Thats $10k was given to him, not TT1. He did not steal anything. is something unclear here? they had an agreement to split the money, which can be corroborated by xeris. fenix reneged There is no evidence they had an agreement. Common sense tells us that at least TT1 tried to set it up :p. Whether or not Fenix fully understood is a different story, but there's no reason to make up something like this with no grounds. There's nothing to gain for TT1 and only bad publicity to gain for Fnatic. Sometimes people do things out of bad blood purely to tarnish another person's opinion. Not saying this is the case, but it is just as likely a possibility. But at the cost of jeopardize his team's reputation and his own career in starcraft 2? I highly doubt it. Speculation on both sides. Once again, no evidence so take what you hear with a gain of salt. This isn't speculation. If you go out and involve your manager and reveal some behind the scenes actions that weren't announced already and they weren't true, it's pretty obvious who would be in trouble then. Yes because justice is always served 100% accurately and people always play by the rules. HA What? At the very least you should admit that Fnatic cares about its own reputation and so does TT1. If TT1 ruins Fnatic's reputation whether he is right or not, he will get in trouble.
Of course Fnatic cares about their reputation, but then Fnatic hasn't put any official statement out about verbal agreements between it's players so it's reputation is not in question.
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On September 02 2011 15:37 Zanno wrote:
doesn't boxer talk about doing this in his biography
just throwing this out there
probably every korean teammates facing in finals have done this before, it is so common it baffles me how some people here seems to be that offended by it
also can we see this anywhere?
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I thought this would be normal by now. If two teammates go to the finals of the tourney, they deserve to be able to distribute the money as they like. The tournament hosts should be glad if they decided to play at all. Admittedly, its better if the general audience does not know of this. Simply because it takes the suspense out of the matches.
Think of it like this: Two friends play starcraft. They require at least 1000usd a month each to keep afloat. Between them they generally win 2000 each month. But they always meet each other in the finals, and one is slightly better than the other and wins generally most of the time.
One of the players now earn 1500 a month and the other 500.
One of the players now have to quit playing starcraft.
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