On September 03 2011 09:48 Truedot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 09:43 applejuice wrote:On September 03 2011 09:36 Fubi wrote:On September 03 2011 09:33 applejuice wrote:On September 03 2011 09:30 ReignFayth wrote:On September 03 2011 09:27 Saturnize wrote:
Been reading through most of this thread. I see the argument "well its their money they can do what they want with it so deal with it!!!!!!!!!!" a lot in this thread as if we are arguing about the ethics of it vs whether it is something that will degrade competitive SC2 in the long run/make it less exciting if there is always going to be that stigma of two 1/2 placers agreeing to split the stash. While it may be with in their rights to do whatever they want to with the money, it does make competitive SC2 look really lame compared to any other competitive event like golf or poker when you have people agreeing to throw matches in order to get a share of the 1st prize. Do I blame these actions when you look at how much a top 10 SC2 progamer makes in relation to a sub 100 golfer makes? Of course not! When you get bigger prizepools and more cash finishes I think that there will be less of an incentive to "rig matches" than there will be in a tournament with a smaller prizepool.
Most of the people in this thread want to argue the ethics/morals of what people do with their own money vs if it is good for the professional SC2 scene in the long run. I think that if SC2 is ever to be taken "seriously" people need to stop "fixing" these games.
just my 2 cents.
once again
nobody talked about fixing games or rigging matches... just altering the prize money for 1st and 2nd
It's like playing poker without real money to back it up. It doesn't work.
It's a moot point whether the match is actually fixed or not, the competition is going to suck either way.
Not a moot point. The difference is, fixing games and rigging matches are usually illegal or at the minimum, against tournament rules, but there is no rules regarding splitting your prize money. The money is yours and you can split it however you want.
...but there is no rules regarding splitting your prize money. The money is yours and you can split it however you want.While your straw man is intriguing, the split you are referring to occurs before the match begins, not after. It's a fix.
pretty much. you're saying to split money you don't yet have, creating a third party in the agreement between you and the tournament holders who you signed a contract with. And since you don't tell the tournament holders beforehand, and since they can't know about this deal and modify their contract, its fraud..
Or else, why would any SC2 player keep it from the tournament holders. I assume that if its not wrong, people would just tell the tournament holders, "hey, me and my teammate have an agreement to split the winnings". Why don't SC players do this, so that the tournament holders know what they're paying for, i.e. two people who will not play competitively and just split the prize after? because they know they will get told they can't compete as long as they have that agreement.
If you can't make a good counterargument, call the other person rude. makes sense.
Again I ask, why don't these "pros" tell the tournament holders about the deal so that the tournament holders have FULL DISCLOSURE of what they're paying for? I can see bullshit a mile away, I used to have a grandparent with the same mentality of "what they don't know is fine, as long as we make money".
I don't find it amusing that you're this base.
EPT
