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On September 12 2011 22:12 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 09:09 tuho12345 wrote:On September 12 2011 09:06 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On September 12 2011 08:44 tuho12345 wrote:
This change help ppl to believe that Sjow > Merz. Higher APM doesn't mean shit. Why do so many people say APM doesn't matter? Name me one elite korean player that has a sub 200 APM. APM isn't the end all be all of SC2 but you will NEVER see a player winning GSL with a 100-150 APM. I believe FD has ~150 APMs when he versus BoxeR at Blizzcon last year. It does matter a lot, but not spamming and proud of it, 400 APMs like Merz doesn't mean anything. I could spam 500 APMs all game long without building anything right? -_- I've never claimed im proud of it. There's more to speed/multitasking than raw APM. It's just how I play. Whoever claims me > sjow is stupid anyways and I've honestly never seen anyone make that claim as of yet. So tired of getting bullshit for my APM when I've never once bragged/claimed it's good. I welcome this patch with open arms, hopefully it'll reduce the amounts of posts like these.
Haha, well you got close to merz > sjow yesterday ^^
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so how much apm do u have now compare to past 1.40????
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pre1.4 i had 200-250 in game apm
post1.4 i have 130-170 apm
after watching the replay, i've noticed that the biggest cause of the drop is that in the first 5-8 minutes, you're not really doing anything besides tapping so your apm is pathetic
after that initial 'doing nothing' period, your apm reflects pre1.4 apm again (except a tiny bit lower obviously)
if they got rid of apm for the first 5 minutes and calculated the average based on everything after, you'd have apm similar to your pre1.4 apm
so basically, this change is fucking stupid and blizzard has no idea on what they're doing for many things
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I don't really like it. As I see it, tapping between your production is pretty huge part of being good, and while APM is ofcourse not a be it end all measurement of skill, it does give indications of that high apm player is probably good. Now it's kind of... I can play at like 30% of a superb player and still show like 60-70% of his APM.
Even if spam is like 80% worthless(for most players, some obviously just spam to spam), the 20% mean a damn lot, hence the pros actually do spam.
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its nice to heard that early game mass apm spam dosent coutn toward the real apm, thast good thing seriously
i have 200 in game apm, eager to see how much i will be getting after the apcth ^^
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Hahaha can't wait to see all these zergs apm drop from 220 to 110. Loving it.
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how does this matter anyway?
If you care about your apm your probably terrible
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On September 21 2011 07:50 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Hahaha can't wait to see all these zergs apm drop from 220 to 110. Loving it.
And all the good terrans... And some of the protosses too...
Seriously though this change is retarded.
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Actually in the Alicia vs Select game in the GSL, alicia's apm was hovering around 150ish average apm (does spike up to 200+) and Select's apm was constantly above 300 (sometimes up to 500+).
It just shows that you don't need an insanely high apm to play a competent game as many ppl consider Alicia a top tier protoss.
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This doesnt change anything lol.
I spam at the beginning to get warmed up and later I spam the unit control groups to be faster at the location (army, base, harrass, etc.) and to check the overall HP of my units. Who the f*** even cares what this number is. As long as it doesnt change my playstyle lol.
Only those kiddies who spam to later watch the replay and party themselves for OVER 9000 APM will be saddend and about them I dont care all that much to be perfectly honest.
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I didn't like APM changes since they changed it from the BW method to the SC2. However, another change might not be good for the game either :/
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On September 21 2011 07:51 crbox wrote:
how does this matter anyway?
If you care about your apm your probably terrible
It's a benchmark. If you don't abuse it and just cycle hotkeys in down time, it is an actual good measure of playing speed/mutlitasking. If you know your own limits. I was low masters at like 110 apm. I'm now high masters at like... 170 apm prepatch. It's a definite measure, but to be taken with a grain of salt...so to speak.
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Don't really care. I'll continue spamming with or without.
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My overall apm in a long game used to be around 160. (masters) now its at 100.
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I'm not even good, but I liked to see my 150 apm. It made me happy :c
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On September 21 2011 07:55 sechkie wrote:
Actually in the Alicia vs Select game in the GSL, alicia's apm was hovering around 150ish average apm (does spike up to 200+) and Select's apm was constantly above 300 (sometimes up to 500+).
It just shows that you don't need an insanely high apm to play a competent game as many ppl consider Alicia a top tier protoss.
I don't think that's the point, it's not like you will play slower if it 'says' your apm is lower.
I just think its ridiculous they want to implant this bullshit instead of more important features. I guess it's to please the casuals, when will they please the people who play this game more then twice a week
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well. as protoss, you really dont need as much apm as the other race, this is just the way its, from sc BW all tyhe way to sc2, still the same
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On September 21 2011 08:08 Ares[Effort] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 07:55 sechkie wrote:
Actually in the Alicia vs Select game in the GSL, alicia's apm was hovering around 150ish average apm (does spike up to 200+) and Select's apm was constantly above 300 (sometimes up to 500+).
It just shows that you don't need an insanely high apm to play a competent game as many ppl consider Alicia a top tier protoss. I don't think that's the point, it's not like you will play slower if it 'says' your apm is lower.
I just think its ridiculous they want to implant this bullshit instead of more important features. I guess it's to please the casuals, when will they please the people who play this game more then twice a week
What I was trying to say is to respond to someone above who was talking about no one below 200 apm or so being a gsl pro. Basically just saying that Alicia who is considered a top tier protoss player can do everything that he needs to effectively, (albeit with trouble defending gosu harrass, but that was mistakes, not lack of apm)
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Logically speaking it is a terrible change but on the other hand, logically speaking, who really cares?
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On August 26 2011 22:31 Biggun69 wrote:
Spamming, no matter how important or not, should be shown. APM is defined as any actions such as a mouse click or keyboard button press. Removing/ changing the apm is just dumb because it wont show people's real apm.
Why doesn't blizzard just work on balance and making good maps instead of making dumb changes like this? Who honestly complains that the apm bars are bad in sc2?
Couldn't agree more.
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