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schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
November 16 2011 11:05 GMT
#821
I really don't care, APM was never much of a deal, almost everything else you can observe in games like production, units, etc is way more telling. This change made it even more non-saying, as it is really not actions per minute. I don't know why blizzard pays guys wasting their time thinking how to elaborate effective APM and stuff. There are things that customers really don't worry about (or maybe I am wrong as this thread has 40 pages? dunno)
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 16 2011 11:09 GMT
#822
On October 03 2011 09:43 Demonace34 wrote:
I wish they would just change it to BEAPM. Blizzards effective actions per minute.


BEAPBM: Blizzard Effective Actions per Blizzard Minute.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3381 Posts
November 16 2011 11:10 GMT
#823
I hated the APM tab before, but atleast you could times 1.4x it.
There should be the normal Actions per Actual Minutes.
And then this new one aswell, as i think it might add some value to the game later.
Ppl like axslav that has a low apm, but very important apm, will be scaled higher, in terms of, if you counted the apm as a skill factor.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
japro
Profile Joined August 2010
172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 11:35:31
November 16 2011 11:24 GMT
#824
On November 16 2011 19:58 Latty wrote:
i honestly dont care, but its kind of stupid like said before, becase its no longer APM. APM is all action per minute imo even when spammed. so its totally messed up now. but


The questions is what is an "action"? Blizzard apparently means "something a player does, that has effect in the game" while a lot of people use "something I do with my mouse or keyboard"...
The second definition is easier to measure but way more arbitrary. If spam selecting workers counts as actions, why doesn't say "moving the mouse" in general count as action? Or scrolling with the window border? etc.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
November 17 2011 02:02 GMT
#825
On November 16 2011 20:24 japro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 19:58 Latty wrote:
i honestly dont care, but its kind of stupid like said before, becase its no longer APM. APM is all action per minute imo even when spammed. so its totally messed up now. but


The questions is what is an "action"? Blizzard apparently means "something a player does, that has effect in the game" while a lot of people use "something I do with my mouse or keyboard"...
The second definition is easier to measure but way more arbitrary. If spam selecting workers counts as actions, why doesn't say "moving the mouse" in general count as action? Or scrolling with the window border? etc.


That is measuring two different things. I mean, if I am switching between let us say, my rax, my CC's, and my two or three control groups of units. I would like to think that it would be influencing the apm since it helps illustrate that I am not sitting on my are twirling my thumbs and eating a bagel.

Like I have said before, apm for myself has always been a means of forcing myself and viewing others as just how active they were. it no longer shows the full story now so more difficult to grasp the situation.

Lastly, why nnot have it back the way it use to be? Seems like the general consensus of this thread is that; people either dislike the change or they do not care. I say, why not let the people who look at apm (of course not the most important tool) and let them choose how it is, giving us choices. And those who do not care or see no use of apm can well, bugger off since it does not effect them (saying in a kind voice of course).
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