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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
I don't understand the controversy here other than: Shame on you guys for doing that, it's rude, and makes NASL have to scramble to fix things last minute. It just makes the Koreans look a little unprofessional. Other than that... it's not a very big deal. | ||
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Inky87
United States533 Posts
On August 17 2011 17:59 Defacer wrote: It really feels like the Korean's have a false sense of entitlement. As far as I'm aware, the GSL is the only tournament these guys have to participate in regularly. Being able to qualify only for a tournament with a $40,000 prize is huge. I think this is what bothers me a lot about this. These korean teams should be jumping at the chance to compete wherever they can because there's so much more going on outside Korea. I can't help but feel like these team managers are fucking over their players like this. What are they going to do? Practice for a month and a half and then try to win 5 best of threes in a row to get into code A where 16 of the people that can do that are going to have to do it all over again. There's so many good players over there that aren't in the spotlight and they could be competing in tournaments while waiting for the Code A qualifiers to come around. It's just a shame that another avenue is closed off to these players when they could be getting their teams sponsored and things like travel expenses wouldn't really matter. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On August 17 2011 18:17 Inky87 wrote: I think this is what bothers me a lot about this. These korean teams should be jumping at the chance to compete wherever they can because there's so much more going on outside Korea. I can't help but feel like these team managers are fucking over their players like this. What are they going to do? Practice for a month and a half and then try to win 5 best of threes in a row to get into code A where 16 of the people that can do that are going to have to do it all over again. There's so many good players over there that aren't in the spotlight and they could be competing in tournaments while waiting for the Code A qualifiers to come around. It's just a shame that another avenue is closed off to these players when they could be getting their teams sponsored and things like travel expenses wouldn't really matter. It's more likely than risk losing your own money and going oversea and still competing with good korean players, and tbh, top foregeigners can still takes game off of them, why risk participating while it is better (long term) for them to stay and practice for GSL? | ||
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Inky87
United States533 Posts
On August 17 2011 18:13 tiaz wrote: Holy crap, there's a lot of bitter and uninformed morons posting here... Why not trying to read the interview regarding the play times for example. The problem was not 4am being the playtime, but the fact that when the players went/stayed up at 4am the games would be delayed two hours on top of that.. How is that so hard to understand? I'm so god damned tired of the eternal "my region of the world is better than your", it makes me want to throw up. This is an issue that was discussed and was being improved upon for season 2. I'm so god damned tired of people posting things without reading as much information as possible and feed the hate machine instead. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 17 2011 17:29 Acrofales wrote: At least for the MLG deal you're wrong. For other players I don't know (afaik the tourney that got Sase there was also completely paid for, but not sure who paid). I don't know the details of Dreamhack, IEM and other international tournaments that had a few Koreans in them, but if they also paid for flight, hotel, etc. then a precedent seems to have been set. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing can be discussed, but the Koreans cannot really be blamed for expecting the same treatment at NASL, nor can NASL really be blamed for not wanting to foot the bill of who-knows-how-many koreans coming to the finals. This seems like something that should be negotiated about and the negotiations fell through (whose fault that was, we don't know). Hopefully next season they can work it out. For the Code A invites from a MLG, I believe they'll buy you air fare and cover lodging (not food). For the 4 LXP players, their costs are covered by MLG. I believe there were 9 Koreans @ MLG Anaheim, only 4 were covered by MLG, the rest were paid for by their sponsors (FXO & Fnatic for their members, Razer for SlayerSAlicia & SlayerSGanzi). For the other European events, I believe MC paid his own way to all of them except the Dreamhack invite & Dreamhack Summer (because he won the Invite one). Being "comped" to an event is I'm pretty sure currently only a MLG/GSL exchange thing, and a few other events. It'll get more common, but it isn't standard practice at this moment. The problem is that, except for SlayerS, I don't think any of the Korean teams really can afford to toss in 1k USD or so to cover the cost difference. I'm still sort of surprised EG didn't outright buy a Korean team, given the money they are investing in Huk probably could have covered it, lol. | ||
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Skiblet
South Africa206 Posts
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reginaldd
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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Inky87
United States533 Posts
On August 17 2011 18:21 brachester wrote: It's more likely than risk losing your own money and going oversea and still competing with good korean players, and tbh, top foregeigners can still takes game off of them, why risk participating while it is better (long term) for them to stay and practice for GSL? I don't think it's really a binary issue. It's not like they're not getting experience by competing elsewhere. GSL doesn't pay that well unless you're in top 6 and if you're not in the GSL, there's a lot working against you trying to break into it if you're going through the qualifiers. There wouldn't be any risk at all participating in these foreign leagues if they were properly sponsored. Personally I think it's very generous for NASL to subsidize the travel costs when they're working on such a tight budget. | ||
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Moai
Italy47 Posts
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Blacktion
United Kingdom1148 Posts
Just curious to see how the 2 compare and if this outcry is justified. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10974 Posts
So, the Korean teams on average are rather poor. Well, and? If there aren't enough sponsors in Korea the "logical" thing to do is expand their efforts worldwide... Maybe they would be less poor if they would take some risks and actually play overseas to get more recognition and not just "waste" their time in GSL's were only the very top few gain serious cash... I mean seriously, look at the players that travel around, aside from MLG there are nearly always the same Koreans going around... And MC became a huge star due to it, I bet my ass his market "worth" is higher than Nestea, MKP or any other Korean in SC2 and his winnings are also showing that traveling is actually "worth" it... It's one thing when a player like Nestea sais that he focuses on GSL... Because he wins them, it's another thing if some "random Korean team member" is not going abroad because it's out of his comfort zone and there is risk involved. What people don't seem to understand (including the Koreans): The NASL is no invitational (well, it should not have been after S1). It's a league, your mainly there to compete, not to just bolster the rank with your big name, that’s the reason there is only a "short" live event after a long season. You sign a contract to play in the league knowing full well what is expected from you, you get punished if you break the rules (whiteout good reasons) and in the end, if you were good, you can make serious cash, if not... Well, play better next time or leave. Btw: MLG I-N-V-I-T-E-S Korean players, thats an entirely diffrent story. Don't compare the NASL to GOM/MLG and their deal, it's not the same and you shouldn't compare them. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 17 2011 18:08 Femari wrote: That's false as anyone can enter MLG, you just have to pay. Let me clarify: Anyone can qualify, but it's a LAN event and unless you're one of the four Korean superstars invited, you have to pay to get there. So it's very costly for anyone not from NA to participate. NASL is the largest tournament out there that players can play and qualify for, online. I believe IPL3 will have online qualifiers though, and they are covering travel and accommodation -- but to be frank, I don't know to what extent. And I'm not sure how they could possibly budget for this, its quite a bit of financial risk to take on depending on where players come from. | ||
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DaemonX
545 Posts
Constructive too, NASL can take or leave them and no hard feelings either way - or so it should appear. Might be a good idea for a bit of VIP treatment of star players, then again it might be a good idea to not let foreigner players feel second class in their own tournament. This is just advice that the organisers at NASL will have to think with and make a good choice. | ||
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Darkong
United Kingdom418 Posts
Hopefully things will get sorted out in the future and they'll be back in the NASL. | ||
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WillSK
Wales3 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On August 17 2011 12:57 Solinos wrote: Fair enough point - requesting that travel from the airport to the tournament be taken care of is fine. Most of the Korean pros don't have great English skills, and they're all going to be really tired from the flight. At the same time, I'm not sure how much money NASL has to throw around at this sort of thing, and it would be fairly rude to make accommodations for Koreans and not for the European pros. I'm not entirely clear what happened with season one travel - it seemed to me as though NASL had footed that $80 bill before, and now it seems like they didn't. As far as the article's points: Reducing technical issues, wait time, and generally increasing the level of professionalism at NASL events are obvious musts that need to happen as NASL continues on. I can't imagine what else they'd do, though - it's not like anyone at NASL is sitting there thinking, "Boy, we loved having all that deadtime at the finals! Made it really exciting, you know?" If they can spare 100,000 in prize money, surely they can rustle up... 400 dollars for travel? That's assuming 5 Koreans at the finals, too. | ||
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