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+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2011 16:52 chipman wrote:
Let's look at things in more of a timeline.
1)Korean teams >all< withdraw from Nasl in the last moments before a new season, most likely purposely. For a culture of people who talk about professionalism and amateurs this was already a low blow. They played hardball. It's not like the timing of their withdraw was an accident, they waited on purpose to have a good hand and use it against NASL.
To wait to withdraw until the last moments as leverage is an extremely low, dirty blow. We often call people who make moves like that "scum" here in America. The NASL isn't some super power for esports, its an extremely new, relatively small group of people who had a cool idea and are trying to make it work. When the Korean teams signed the contracts for NASL during season 1, they knew what they were getting into. On the spot NASL offered to raise the stipend to 1k, even 2k. In other words they were willing to reach out and meet the Koreans part way. But apparently in Korea there should be absolutely no chance of even losing a penny while having the high, potential reward of a fortune, even when dealing with a relatively low key other party.
2)The season is about to start. NASL has to say >SOMETHING< to the fans and chose to do so somewhat clearly, openly as to what happened. They can't just delay it without statement.
3)Korean coaches exploit the fact that there was miscommunication on both sides, point fingers at NASL, while saying NASL is trying to blame them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this concept remind you of two children pointing fingers at eachother.
4)We the fan/player base suffer, Korea profits, for now.
Thanks Korea!
Couldn't have said it better myself, except to add that I feel that Koreans, after all of this backlash, have gotten a little sensitive and defensive.
I don't think the original post was attacking anyone, but due to the backlash, I feel like Korean coaches feel like they have to "clear their name" and one way to do that is to point the finger at NASL and exploit miscommunications (even if they are mostly the Korean side's fault for not using proper methods of negotiation).
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On August 17 2011 16:54 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 16:50 brachester wrote:On August 17 2011 16:46 babylon wrote:On August 17 2011 16:41 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:34 Excomm wrote:On August 17 2011 16:26 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:24 tdt wrote:
Still sound like babies to me. I didnt hear any foreigners whining and they won A LOT less money so should have more reason to QQ for their pitance. Whitera and Sen even stayed over a bit to help promote so they seemed happy.
Then there is not so little matter of signing contract for season 2 then trying to put NASL over the barrel with threats to quit unless they get their way. Talk about dishonest. Foreigners may win less money overall but they have money to begin with unlike Koreans. So that's irrelevant. Oh, I was unaware that Ukrainian and Chinese players had money flowing out of their fingertips. I was also unaware that having less money gives you the right to demand more accommodation than other people who are competing at relatively the same time online and have just as long a flight to the US to compete in the finals. I completely agree with tdt. I'll bet those Chinese/Ukrainian players didn't have to worry if they could eat that night. Also they could demand shit if they wanted, they don't cause it's affordable to them unlike Koreans. I care very little about this topic, but please don't make it sound like you know anything about the finances of other teams. At least we know that most of the foreign teams have much better financial support than many korean teams. Which is the exact point that I was making. People seem to forget that before FXO came around to grab fOu, fOu was struggling to get by. FXOBoss even said that Choya was talking about how he didn't know where he could eat because they were struggling financially so bad. Maybe I shouldn't have commented with me having lived 80% of my life in South Korea and being a bit biased, but I think the players should get accommodated better. All the players. Not just Koreans. Koreans who don't have the money to send out players all the time would probably go if it was possible that they wouldn't lose money (within reason of course). They just can't take risks like that when they don't have money to spare.
Korea is a richer country than any eastern European country. Not only that some teams have very good sponsors such as slayers with intel. Picking the worst performing team in Korea and applying it to all is a stretch. We just don't know.
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If they really had a malicious intent, they could've stayed in NASL, show up to their matches but play like ****. Hey, they fulfilled their contract! woohoo!
Then it would be:
Fans: WTF!! Why are you throwing matchs?
Players: Cause we don't want to play in the grand final.
Fans: Then why didn't you withdraw and let others play?
Players: OK let me time travel and do that.
Fans: WTF!! Why are you withdrawing?
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On August 17 2011 13:50 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:46 FairForever wrote:On August 17 2011 13:43 Milkis wrote:On August 17 2011 13:42 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 17 2011 13:40 Milkis wrote:On August 17 2011 13:37 ELA wrote:On August 17 2011 13:34 Milkis wrote:On August 17 2011 13:31 FairForever wrote:On August 17 2011 13:30 brachester wrote:On August 17 2011 13:25 Milkis wrote:
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Haha. Milkis comes to save the day That's hardy "saving the day" - I can't take the "Haha." seriously until he actually explains what it means. There was a lot of talk about the shuttle service by the Koreans. But let's say, "providing" the service isn't always everything. Care to explain what they expect of a shuttle service? Is it not only a question of transport from A to B? Sometimes the shuttle doesn't go quite to B Your cryptic posts are little more than annoying T_T. Can't you just explain the matter or explain nothing? Haha, sorry. 1) There was talk (that was reflected on an article), how Koreans had to pay 80 dollars for the shuttle service when they were picked up. I do not know how accurate this part of the statement is. 2) When they were dropped off, they were dropped off at the domestic section of the airport. The international section was at the other end. You can imagine how they felt. Basically it's little "amateur" mistakes like these that built up that gave Koreans that kind of impression overall. It's small, but there was *a lot* of small things at NASL. Xeris noted earlier that the $80 was from the travel stipend. To me $80 per person seems excessive when you note the fact that all the Koreans traveled together (or many did) In regards to #2 I agree that is amateurish and annoying, but I wouldn't consider that a major roadblock. If that is the main concern Choi is referring to I think it is a bit overblown considering how big it seems from the interview. Even if the $80 dollars was from the travel stipend, when you have NASL staff come pick up the players and then the staff just tells the players to pay up.... that's just completely opposite of what Koreans expect that it's hilarious. You don't pick up someone at the airport (and pretend that they are your guest) and tell the guest to pay for the shuttle ride... The impression I got was that it was the straw that broke the camel's back. It's not one "big" thing that did NASL in, it's the little things that piled up that became that major road block. Essentially, little things like that signals quite a bit about NASL's quality. That's all I'll say on the matter. Not trying to start a fight, as I thought I'm just sharing something that does give a little bit more insight into what Coach Choi was talking about.
None of my business friends are Korean, we're all Americans, and that's not really a cultural problem. That's just lacking some business tact. If that's a reoccurring theme of players' interactions with NASL's organization and policy, I'm not surprised that they were turned off. However, it's a bit surprising to turn down the chance at decent money. It definitely sounds like it must have been a bunch of details for them to renege on their contracts.
It reminds me of a conversation my friend and I had about whether to fire an employee. Reasonably bright, top college education, nice guy, but zero attention to detail. When you have people like this, you need to constantly review their work, and it's a pain in the ass, and you know your clients are going to eventually notice.
As a consumer, it bugs me when I can think of things that would immediately improve a product or service, and that it would require little more than some effort on the part of an employee or management. I did feel like that with NASL a few times.
eg. I'm sure we all wondered why they just didn't tell us that a walkover was happening that day, so we wouldn't have to sit there for an hour through players we didn't care about. Sure, they get extra viewers in the short term, but it sure doesn't buy much loyalty.
Still, it absolutely doesn't justify what the Koreans did in reneging on a signed contract. This is the epitome of bad business. I'm tired right now, but god this is wrong, bad, immoral, wtf. Well you get the point  . It's really so wrong, and for NASL to conduct their PR in a classy manner, given this event, they deserve a whole lot of credit for that.
This is just my opinion, and I haven't followed this drama closely, so I'm not all too vested in who's right and wrong specifically. I will say, it would've been nice it they parted ways similarly to how Boxer and NASL did. "Hey, things are right for us, maybe we'll do this again sometime in the future." This way a dialogue on suggested improvements don't have to carry the tone of a PR battle.
Anyways, I just hope looking back, this will just be remembered as a bump in the road and not some cliff. I really want the NA scene to continue to develop.
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or maybe, the koreans legitimately wanted to participate in the NASL and upon submitting their requests for negotiation during the contract signing they hoped that all would get resolved before the season would start, but since the negotiations fell through they felt they had no choice but to withdraw? It probably has little to do with them trying to forcibly make NASL look bad by withdrawing last minute and more to do with them hoping things would work out amicably for both sides, and hence why they stayed till the last moment to make sure that nothing else could be worked out.
Jeezus, this korean hatred seems to have come out of no where this past week.
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United States214 Posts
On August 17 2011 17:00 Kazeyonoma wrote:
or maybe, the koreans legitimately wanted to participate in the NASL and upon submitting their requests for negotiation during the contract signing they hoped that all would get resolved before the season would start, but since the negotiations fell through they felt they had no choice but to withdraw? It probably has little to do with them trying to forcibly make NASL look bad by withdrawing last minute and more to do with them hoping things would work out amicably for both sides, and hence why they stayed till the last moment to make sure that nothing else could be worked out.
Jeezus, this korean hatred seems to have come out of no where this past week.
I don't think anyone hates Koreans, just their management.
If what you say is the case, one would have expected them to have put in more effort into negotiations, instead of telling a guy to tell a guy to tell Mr.Chae to tell NASL they have concerns, only 15 days before the season, and responding with a boycott 2 days after filming starts.
It doesn't sound like they bothered to put in too much effort into negotiating at all.
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On August 17 2011 17:00 Kazeyonoma wrote:
or maybe, the koreans legitimately wanted to participate in the NASL and upon submitting their requests for negotiation during the contract signing they hoped that all would get resolved before the season would start, but since the negotiations fell through they felt they had no choice but to withdraw? It probably has little to do with them trying to forcibly make NASL look bad by withdrawing last minute and more to do with them hoping things would work out amicably for both sides, and hence why they stayed till the last moment to make sure that nothing else could be worked out.
Jeezus, this korean hatred seems to have come out of no where this past week.
Thats the thing... the contracts were ALREADY SIGNED.
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On August 17 2011 16:57 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 16:52 chipman wrote:
Let's look at things in more of a timeline.
1)Korean teams >all< withdraw from Nasl in the last moments before a new season, most likely purposely. For a culture of people who talk about professionalism and amateurs this was already a low blow. They played hardball. It's not like the timing of their withdraw was an accident, they waited on purpose to have a good hand and use it against NASL.
To wait to withdraw until the last moments as leverage is an extremely low, dirty blow. We often call people who make moves like that "scum" here in America. The NASL isn't some super power for esports, its an extremely new, relatively small group of people who had a cool idea and are trying to make it work. When the Korean teams signed the contracts for NASL during season 1, they knew what they were getting into. On the spot NASL offered to raise the stipend to 1k, even 2k. In other words they were willing to reach out and meet the Koreans part way. But apparently in Korea there should be absolutely no chance of even losing a penny while having the high, potential reward of a fortune, even when dealing with a relatively low key other party.
2)The season is about to start. NASL has to say >SOMETHING< to the fans and chose to do so somewhat clearly, openly as to what happened. They can't just delay it without statement.
3)Korean coaches exploit the fact that there was miscommunication on both sides, point fingers at NASL, while saying NASL is trying to blame them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this concept remind you of two children pointing fingers at eachother.
4)We the fan/player base suffer, Korea profits, for now.
Thanks Korea! That one angry overexaggerated rant you got there. You're like the "koreans can do no wrong" but in reverse. It's not as simple as that and you probably know it deep down.
No. It's pretty obvious that NASL *could have* done certain things better, or they wouldn't be in this fix. But that's pretty cute how you so quickly stooped low enough to, judging from the content of a single post, try and make a correlation between it and the poster's actual mentality and thought process in life as a whole.
You obviously don't know a thing about me or where I'm coming from, that's what happens when you shoot your mouth off without even considering that not everyone is speaking from the same perspective you are.
Quite honestly I didn't like NASL season 1. It was wayyy to drawn out, confusing, some of the matches seemed unimportant and they weren't live. Given their circumstances however I was willing to give them a shot(unlike you after having read my post) and paid out of my pocket for it and they did a good enough job, though not enough for me to pay for a second season.
I've worked enough jobs and been around enough to know that if you're going to quit from an obligation you need to say so ahead of time. You can't just not show up or wait until a critical time in the business to suddenly cut the business loose. That's extremely childish and more important extremely amateurish and unprofessional, which was my point.
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On August 17 2011 16:59 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 16:54 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:50 brachester wrote:On August 17 2011 16:46 babylon wrote:On August 17 2011 16:41 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:34 Excomm wrote:On August 17 2011 16:26 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:24 tdt wrote:
Still sound like babies to me. I didnt hear any foreigners whining and they won A LOT less money so should have more reason to QQ for their pitance. Whitera and Sen even stayed over a bit to help promote so they seemed happy.
Then there is not so little matter of signing contract for season 2 then trying to put NASL over the barrel with threats to quit unless they get their way. Talk about dishonest. Foreigners may win less money overall but they have money to begin with unlike Koreans. So that's irrelevant. Oh, I was unaware that Ukrainian and Chinese players had money flowing out of their fingertips. I was also unaware that having less money gives you the right to demand more accommodation than other people who are competing at relatively the same time online and have just as long a flight to the US to compete in the finals. I completely agree with tdt. I'll bet those Chinese/Ukrainian players didn't have to worry if they could eat that night. Also they could demand shit if they wanted, they don't cause it's affordable to them unlike Koreans. I care very little about this topic, but please don't make it sound like you know anything about the finances of other teams. At least we know that most of the foreign teams have much better financial support than many korean teams. Which is the exact point that I was making. People seem to forget that before FXO came around to grab fOu, fOu was struggling to get by. FXOBoss even said that Choya was talking about how he didn't know where he could eat because they were struggling financially so bad. Maybe I shouldn't have commented with me having lived 80% of my life in South Korea and being a bit biased, but I think the players should get accommodated better. All the players. Not just Koreans. Koreans who don't have the money to send out players all the time would probably go if it was possible that they wouldn't lose money (within reason of course). They just can't take risks like that when they don't have money to spare. Korea is a richer country than any eastern European country. Not only that some teams have very good sponsors such as slayers with intel. Picking the worst performing team in Korea and applying it to all is a stretch. We just don't know.
Which is why we shouldn't bash Koreans for asking for more when they are the most likely to need the support. Foreign teams have sponsors unlike Korean teams. And yes SlayerS has Intel but they more than likely pulled out cause BoxeR wasn't pleased with the format.
NASL should give the players that make the finals financial support if they need it. Possibly even ask the fans for a little help as well. I'm sure fans wouldn't mind paying another $1. That shit would add up quite quickly.
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On August 17 2011 17:00 Kazeyonoma wrote:
or maybe, the koreans legitimately wanted to participate in the NASL and upon submitting their requests for negotiation during the contract signing they hoped that all would get resolved before the season would start, but since the negotiations fell through they felt they had no choice but to withdraw? It probably has little to do with them trying to forcibly make NASL look bad by withdrawing last minute and more to do with them hoping things would work out amicably for both sides, and hence why they stayed till the last moment to make sure that nothing else could be worked out.
Jeezus, this korean hatred seems to have come out of no where this past week.
You just don't sign a contract you disagree with. I've never heard of such a thing. They were eager to get in season one with a ton submitting videos and knowing terms so I'm not so sure you could make an argument it was under duress or anything like that.
I think they liked NASL but something larger is at work here and it's all business.
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Oh and the Koreans aren't completely out of fault here.
If they need financial help if they wish to attend or if they would be put in a bad situation as a team, then they need to communicate that to the NASL rather than just being like "We demand better accommodations,"
Both sides have done very poorly.
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On August 17 2011 17:08 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 16:59 tdt wrote:On August 17 2011 16:54 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:50 brachester wrote:On August 17 2011 16:46 babylon wrote:On August 17 2011 16:41 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:34 Excomm wrote:On August 17 2011 16:26 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:24 tdt wrote:
Still sound like babies to me. I didnt hear any foreigners whining and they won A LOT less money so should have more reason to QQ for their pitance. Whitera and Sen even stayed over a bit to help promote so they seemed happy.
Then there is not so little matter of signing contract for season 2 then trying to put NASL over the barrel with threats to quit unless they get their way. Talk about dishonest. Foreigners may win less money overall but they have money to begin with unlike Koreans. So that's irrelevant. Oh, I was unaware that Ukrainian and Chinese players had money flowing out of their fingertips. I was also unaware that having less money gives you the right to demand more accommodation than other people who are competing at relatively the same time online and have just as long a flight to the US to compete in the finals. I completely agree with tdt. I'll bet those Chinese/Ukrainian players didn't have to worry if they could eat that night. Also they could demand shit if they wanted, they don't cause it's affordable to them unlike Koreans. I care very little about this topic, but please don't make it sound like you know anything about the finances of other teams. At least we know that most of the foreign teams have much better financial support than many korean teams. Which is the exact point that I was making. People seem to forget that before FXO came around to grab fOu, fOu was struggling to get by. FXOBoss even said that Choya was talking about how he didn't know where he could eat because they were struggling financially so bad. Maybe I shouldn't have commented with me having lived 80% of my life in South Korea and being a bit biased, but I think the players should get accommodated better. All the players. Not just Koreans. Koreans who don't have the money to send out players all the time would probably go if it was possible that they wouldn't lose money (within reason of course). They just can't take risks like that when they don't have money to spare. Korea is a richer country than any eastern European country. Not only that some teams have very good sponsors such as slayers with intel. Picking the worst performing team in Korea and applying it to all is a stretch. We just don't know. Which is why we shouldn't bash Koreans for asking for more when they are the most likely to need the support. Foreign teams have sponsors unlike Korean teams. And yes SlayerS has Intel but they more than likely pulled out cause BoxeR wasn't pleased with the format. NASL should give the players that make the finals financial support if they need it. Possibly even ask the fans for a little help as well. I'm sure fans wouldn't mind paying another $1. That shit would add up quite quickly.
But beggers can't be choosers.
If the situation is that dire in Korea, they should be taking every chance at money they've got, rather than making demands.
And if this "Korean solidarity" is as powerful as it seems, then they could have made a simple pact stating that whatever prize money Koreans bring back would be redistributed for all participating players so that it covers whatever costs they accrued for traveling on top of NASL stipends (which are more than enough). It's not uncommon to do this.
And honestly, I can't see anyone bet on the fact that at least one of them wouldn't make it to the top 4, if not 2-3 of them.
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On August 17 2011 16:51 Ruscour wrote:
I don't usually defend NASL, but what the Koreans are asking for is insane. Disappointing that this happened, and I feel sorry for Xeris and the rest of the NASL staff.
All the Koreans are asking is to be treated the same way GOM and MLG treat their overseas players. (Food, Housing,Travel)
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On August 17 2011 17:11 Femari wrote:
Oh and the Koreans aren't completely out of fault here.
If they need financial help if they wish to attend or if they would be put in a bad situation as a team, then they need to communicate that to the NASL rather than just being like "We demand better accommodations,"
Both sides have done very poorly.
It made things even worse than this, considering they waited to make said demands until the eve of NASL season 2 as greater leverage over NASL, which unlike MLG or blizzard is a relatively small, new group of individuals obviously struggling a bit for cash and can't afford to just bend over to meet all demands and accommodations.
I agree though that both sides are at fault and it's unfortunate things have come to this.
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On August 17 2011 17:15 lee365 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 16:51 Ruscour wrote:
I don't usually defend NASL, but what the Koreans are asking for is insane. Disappointing that this happened, and I feel sorry for Xeris and the rest of the NASL staff. All the Koreans are asking is to be treated the same way GOM and MLG treat their overseas players. (Food, Housing,Travel)
Actually, I was under the impression that GOM only provides housing and travel to and from the airport. Travel costs to get to Korea and food costs come directly out of the pockets of the players' teams. (Correct me if I'm wrong, though.)
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On August 17 2011 16:57 whateverpeeps wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2011 16:52 chipman wrote:
Let's look at things in more of a timeline.
1)Korean teams >all< withdraw from Nasl in the last moments before a new season, most likely purposely. For a culture of people who talk about professionalism and amateurs this was already a low blow. They played hardball. It's not like the timing of their withdraw was an accident, they waited on purpose to have a good hand and use it against NASL.
To wait to withdraw until the last moments as leverage is an extremely low, dirty blow. We often call people who make moves like that "scum" here in America. The NASL isn't some super power for esports, its an extremely new, relatively small group of people who had a cool idea and are trying to make it work. When the Korean teams signed the contracts for NASL during season 1, they knew what they were getting into. On the spot NASL offered to raise the stipend to 1k, even 2k. In other words they were willing to reach out and meet the Koreans part way. But apparently in Korea there should be absolutely no chance of even losing a penny while having the high, potential reward of a fortune, even when dealing with a relatively low key other party.
2)The season is about to start. NASL has to say >SOMETHING< to the fans and chose to do so somewhat clearly, openly as to what happened. They can't just delay it without statement.
3)Korean coaches exploit the fact that there was miscommunication on both sides, point fingers at NASL, while saying NASL is trying to blame them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this concept remind you of two children pointing fingers at eachother.
4)We the fan/player base suffer, Korea profits, for now.
Thanks Korea! Couldn't have said it better myself, except to add that I feel that Koreans, after all of this backlash, have gotten a little sensitive and defensive. I don't think the original post was attacking anyone, but due to the backlash, I feel like Korean coaches feel like they have to "clear their name" and one way to do that is to point the finger at NASL and exploit miscommunications (even if they are mostly the Korean side's fault for not using proper methods of negotiation).
Agreed. Korean teams played dirty and consequently lost the PR war. They want everything catered to them and NASL bent quite a bit to acomodate them.This seems like MVP's coach is expressing solidarity rather than anything else.
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No! The head coach of MVP did one mistake insisting that NASL should make an apology... not a great move. I suggest that his mindset should be that the two parties both made some error in the past but there now is time for renewed dialogue or something along those lines.
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That's how to write an article about the issue, show both sides. It's really a shame though. Would have liked to see some koreans play.
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On August 17 2011 17:20 archonOOid wrote:
No! The head coach of MVP did one mistake insisting that NASL should make an apology... not a great move. I suggest that his mindset should be that the two parties both made some error in the past but there now is time for renewed dialogue or something along those lines.
To be honest they should apologize for being unprofessional in their original post. But that's it. They lashed out at the Koreans. It was extremely unprofessional to do that even if the Koreans pissed them off. You won't garner much respect if you cannot handle things with class and put aside emotional bias.
When Rain withdrew from GSL you didn't see GOMTV bashing Rain. They just announced he has a GSL ban of 2 events (I think it was 2). They handled it professionally. NASL needs to act more like that in handling of events such as Koreans withdrawing.
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On August 17 2011 17:08 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 16:59 tdt wrote:On August 17 2011 16:54 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:50 brachester wrote:On August 17 2011 16:46 babylon wrote:On August 17 2011 16:41 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:34 Excomm wrote:On August 17 2011 16:26 Femari wrote:On August 17 2011 16:24 tdt wrote:
Still sound like babies to me. I didnt hear any foreigners whining and they won A LOT less money so should have more reason to QQ for their pitance. Whitera and Sen even stayed over a bit to help promote so they seemed happy.
Then there is not so little matter of signing contract for season 2 then trying to put NASL over the barrel with threats to quit unless they get their way. Talk about dishonest. Foreigners may win less money overall but they have money to begin with unlike Koreans. So that's irrelevant. Oh, I was unaware that Ukrainian and Chinese players had money flowing out of their fingertips. I was also unaware that having less money gives you the right to demand more accommodation than other people who are competing at relatively the same time online and have just as long a flight to the US to compete in the finals. I completely agree with tdt. I'll bet those Chinese/Ukrainian players didn't have to worry if they could eat that night. Also they could demand shit if they wanted, they don't cause it's affordable to them unlike Koreans. I care very little about this topic, but please don't make it sound like you know anything about the finances of other teams. At least we know that most of the foreign teams have much better financial support than many korean teams. Which is the exact point that I was making. People seem to forget that before FXO came around to grab fOu, fOu was struggling to get by. FXOBoss even said that Choya was talking about how he didn't know where he could eat because they were struggling financially so bad. Maybe I shouldn't have commented with me having lived 80% of my life in South Korea and being a bit biased, but I think the players should get accommodated better. All the players. Not just Koreans. Koreans who don't have the money to send out players all the time would probably go if it was possible that they wouldn't lose money (within reason of course). They just can't take risks like that when they don't have money to spare. Korea is a richer country than any eastern European country. Not only that some teams have very good sponsors such as slayers with intel. Picking the worst performing team in Korea and applying it to all is a stretch. We just don't know. Which is why we shouldn't bash Koreans for asking for more when they are the most likely to need the support. Foreign teams have sponsors unlike Korean teams. And yes SlayerS has Intel but they more than likely pulled out cause BoxeR wasn't pleased with the format. NASL should give the players that make the finals financial support if they need it. Possibly even ask the fans for a little help as well. I'm sure fans wouldn't mind paying another $1. That shit would add up quite quickly.
You talk as if there's an endless supply of money for NASL.
Just give them more!
If it was that easy it would have been done.
Let's say there would be 16 koreans at the grand final, NASL would have to pay 32k in travel expences. That was their offer. It was not enough.
If they say they don't have the budget to raise this who are you to say they really do?
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