MVP's Coach on NASL Korean exit - Page 19

On August 17 2011 12:51 Pieismyign wrote:
why cant nasl rent a car and pick them up from an airport....

On August 17 2011 16:35 JustPassingBy wrote:



I do not think that foreign teams have more money per se. Some might, some do not.
But in Korea, a team is mainly (financially) responsible for training the players, they organize a team house and coaches. The team takes care that their players are top notch and the tournaments who wants them to play has to pay for flight and hotel if they want the top players to participate in live events.
Outside Korea, a team is mainly (financially) responsible of flying their players to tournaments.

This is only the financial side, there are other main differences between foreign and Korean teams, for example I bet you would've heard an apology from the team if one of their players decide to blow a showmatch by attacking his own command center at the beginning of the game and throwing angry comments at the organizer who organized the prize money after he asked him what just happened.

On August 17 2011 16:26 Femari wrote:

Foreigners may win less money overall but they have money to begin with unlike Koreans. So that's irrelevant.

On August 17 2011 16:31 Elefanto wrote:


So because they are poor everyone should pay for them?
How about you start searching sponsors, start to search for ways to get money
like streaming or coaching?

Did root whine to MLG that they don't have sponsors, requesting their expenses get paid? Don't make me laugh.
It's not like the west is a fountain of money.
Many teams / clans / players have to actively search for sponsors or ways to get to money.

On August 17 2011 16:34 Excomm wrote:


Oh, I was unaware that Ukrainian and Chinese players had money flowing out of their fingertips. I was also unaware that having less money gives you the right to demand more accommodation than other people who are competing at relatively the same time online and have just as long a flight to the US to compete in the finals. I completely agree with tdt.

On August 17 2011 16:33 vertical101 wrote:
lol asking for apologize.. bullshit.they are the one who should apologize for breaking the contract,delaying the S2,and trying to kill NASL league (remember what kespa did to gom?)

On August 17 2011 16:26 Femari wrote:

Foreigners may win less money overall but they have money to begin with unlike Koreans. So that's irrelevant.

On August 17 2011 16:39 Nerdslayer wrote:


How is this irrelevant you dont think all the players from the eastern EU lack money ? they do but you know what they sucked it up and didnt broke any contract or demanded more money?

its unprofessional and it comes out like the Koreans think they special and they should be treated different then any other player

On August 17 2011 16:27 Slider954 wrote:


1) Koreans: We want this, this, and this, if we don't get them, we are pulling out. Call it negotiations or a threat, its semantics at that point. Either way still not inflammatory, very blunt yes.

2) Not a lie in any sense whatsoever or misleading at all. The koreans didn't want to pay the deposit, even the coach of MVP said so. Again blunt and to the point.

3) There is nothing that statement that could arouse hostility unless the person reading it is looking for the slightest reason to get angry. Which I think is what is happening. I think people like you are looking for the tinniest reason to get mad because you feel that NASL has insulted the koreans.

Honestly at this point I feel like NASL could have come out and said in their original statement, "Hey its ALL our fault that the koreans aren't coming. Blame us, they did nothing wrong" and you would still fault NASL just because A) people are looking to smash NASL, whether its justified or not and B) The Koreans didn't get what they wanted

Don't get me wrong, NASL isn't innocent in this whole thing. There alot of things they could have handled better but the original statement and its wording isn't one of them.

On August 17 2011 16:41 Femari wrote:

I'll bet those Chinese/Ukrainian players didn't have to worry if they could eat that night.

Also they could demand shit if they wanted, they don't cause it's affordable to them unlike Koreans.

On August 17 2011 16:30 JustPassingBy wrote:


Fact: Deposit was introduced to hold players responsible who cause trouble.
Fact: the only players who caused trouble were those outside Korea
Fact: from a Korean point of view, such a deposit is insulting and doubts the professionalism of the players

no matter who is at fault, it is easy to see how this conflict came to happen

On August 17 2011 16:46 babylon wrote:

I care very little about this topic, but please don't make it sound like you know anything about the finances of other teams.

On August 17 2011 16:45 Woizit wrote:



The way I see it,

1) A threat's a threat, it's not inflammatory.

2) I feel that anybody who doesn't see this as inflammatory is very short sighted. It basically screams to me as "don't bother with what they're saying!! Look at our line of reasoning!!" The Koreans came up with what they wanted. Everybody knows what a deposit is, what it means, and that it'll be paid back. It sounds as if they didn't think the Koreans knew what a deposit is. There's nothing factually wrong there, but that doesn't mean the way it's presented is not inflammatory.

3) I just see it as again they're saying... "ignore what the Koreans want, we're getting screwed on this here". In fact, the facts can be argued to be twisted here. If the prize is 40k, you can't really see the travel expense as 2k, considering 1k is out of the prize itself. If the travel expense is 2k, the prize will be 39k instead.

On August 17 2011 16:50 brachester wrote:

At least we know that most of the foreign teams have much better financial support than many korean teams.

On August 17 2011 16:50 brachester wrote:

At least we know that most of the foreign teams have much better financial support than many korean teams.

On August 17 2011 16:52 chipman wrote:
Let's look at things in more of a timeline.

1)Korean teams >all< withdraw from Nasl in the last moments before a new season, most likely purposely. For a culture of people who talk about professionalism and amateurs this was already a low blow. They played hardball. It's not like the timing of their withdraw was an accident, they waited on purpose to have a good hand and use it against NASL.

To wait to withdraw until the last moments as leverage is an extremely low, dirty blow. We often call people who make moves like that "scum" here in America. The NASL isn't some super power for esports, its an extremely new, relatively small group of people who had a cool idea and are trying to make it work. When the Korean teams signed the contracts for NASL during season 1, they knew what they were getting into. On the spot NASL offered to raise the stipend to 1k, even 2k. In other words they were willing to reach out and meet the Koreans part way. But apparently in Korea there should be absolutely no chance of even losing a penny while having the high, potential reward of a fortune, even when dealing with a relatively low key other party.

2)The season is about to start. NASL has to say >SOMETHING< to the fans and chose to do so somewhat clearly, openly as to what happened. They can't just delay it without statement.

3)Korean coaches exploit the fact that there was miscommunication on both sides, point fingers at NASL, while saying NASL is trying to blame them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this concept remind you of two children pointing fingers at eachother.

4)We the fan/player base suffer, Korea profits, for now.


Thanks Korea!