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On August 18 2011 09:43 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. This isn't your buddy lending you 5 dollars and saying you can pay it back whenever or running a tab at your local bar. This is big business, with potentially millions of dollars on the line. Contracts are not taken lightly or frivolously by anyone. And I don't know where you got the idea that they don't take stuff like this seriously. Koreans take all this very seriously, otherwise they wouldn't be upset with the original NASL post. Or have introduced Kespa for BW. And yes it actually affects people besides NASL. 1st and foremost the the fans who already bought a season 2 pass. Please stop with the whole, 'you disagreed with me so you must be attacking or tearing me down.' Yeah some of the posts have been the typical herp derp bullshit. But the majority of posts I've seen in this thread have raised valid points on both sides of the argument. There's nothing wrong with spirited discussion on something, at least it shows that people actually care.
If this is a big business with potentially millions of dollars on the line, NASL should treat it as such. You apparently have no idea of how business works for all your talk of contracts and their importance. Welcome to the real world where money is involved: people break contracts and change their minds, and people get screwed over.
When you are in a competitive, growing field like NASL is, competing with all the other tournaments popping up all the time, you have to make sacrifices. While you can talk on the internet all you want about "oh man they are acting so unprofessional blahblahblah silly koreans", that's nothing but armchair elitism with no bearing on the real world. When two companies are both trying to get a major client, they go out of their way to flatter and suck up to that person. Companies will name buildings after their potential clients in an attempt to flatter them, wait on them hand and foot, wine and dine them.
You can't scream about the growth of esports and NASL being a big business and expect everything to be nice and pretty and professional. The koreans may have acted 'unprofessional' in the eyes of this community by backing out of some contract but NASL is acting 'unbusinesslike' which, for the growth of esports, is worse. A successful business does not post condemnations of former clients who shunned them, and can make some simple concessions to increase the travel stipend to an acceptable level. Koreans are the clients that should be flattered in the business setting. They have every right to make the demands they do and if they back out of a contract, deal with it.
Judging by all the anti-Korean hate on this thread, the people behind NASL obviously don't have a good grasp on how to run a business. Bringing up all this drama and all the "affronted" people in this thread will only sour relations with the Koreans, who are the most important 'clients' in esports. NASL could have just said "we could not come to an agreement with the Koreans so they are no longer participating in this season of the NASL", and potentially have soothed things over behind the scenes, explained their side to the Koreans, parted amicably and the Koreans may have decided to come back for season 3. Or if NASL didn't want them to come back anyway, they could have just left it at that. Instead NASL felt the need to stir up the SC2 community, and alienate the Koreans from dealing with them completely.
On August 18 2011 17:38 CruelGame wrote:
I am actually happy koreans are not taking part of this. If they are such powerhouses and and amazing teams then why can't they support their own players when it comes to anything outside of korea? They can lock themselves in their country and never leave for all i care. This isn't about the koreans anymore. I think its about time the rest of the world takes over ^_^
Lmao wow, how racist can you get?
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On August 19 2011 00:15 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:43 Slider954 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. This isn't your buddy lending you 5 dollars and saying you can pay it back whenever or running a tab at your local bar. This is big business, with potentially millions of dollars on the line. Contracts are not taken lightly or frivolously by anyone. And I don't know where you got the idea that they don't take stuff like this seriously. Koreans take all this very seriously, otherwise they wouldn't be upset with the original NASL post. Or have introduced Kespa for BW. And yes it actually affects people besides NASL. 1st and foremost the the fans who already bought a season 2 pass. Please stop with the whole, 'you disagreed with me so you must be attacking or tearing me down.' Yeah some of the posts have been the typical herp derp bullshit. But the majority of posts I've seen in this thread have raised valid points on both sides of the argument. There's nothing wrong with spirited discussion on something, at least it shows that people actually care. If this is a big business with potentially millions of dollars on the line, NASL should treat it as such. You apparently have no idea of how business works for all your talk of contracts and their importance. Welcome to the real world where money is involved: people break contracts and change their minds, and people get screwed over. When you are in a competitive, growing field like NASL is, competing with all the other tournaments popping up all the time, you have to make sacrifices. While you can talk on the internet all you want about "oh man they are acting so unprofessional blahblahblah silly koreans", that's nothing but armchair elitism with no bearing on the real world. When two companies are both trying to get a major client, they go out of their way to flatter and suck up to that person. Companies will name buildings after their potential clients in an attempt to flatter them, wait on them hand and foot, wine and dine them. You can't scream about the growth of esports and NASL being a big business and expect everything to be nice and pretty and professional. The koreans may have acted 'unprofessional' in the eyes of this community by backing out of some contract but NASL is acting 'unbusinesslike' which, for the growth of esports, is worse. A successful business does not post condemnations of former clients who shunned them, and can make some simple concessions to increase the travel stipend to an acceptable level. Koreans are the clients that should be flattered in the business setting. They have every right to make the demands they do and if they back out of a contract, deal with it. Judging by all the anti-Korean hate on this thread, the people behind NASL obviously don't have a good grasp on how to run a business. Bringing up all this drama and all the "affronted" people in this thread will only sour relations with the Koreans, who are the most important 'clients' in esports. NASL could have just said "we could not come to an agreement with the Koreans so they are no longer participating in this season of the NASL", and potentially have soothed things over behind the scenes, explained their side to the Koreans, parted amicably and the Koreans may have decided to come back for season 3. Or if NASL didn't want them to come back anyway, they could have just left it at that. Instead NASL felt the need to stir up the SC2 community, and alienate the Koreans from dealing with them completely. Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 17:38 CruelGame wrote:
I am actually happy koreans are not taking part of this. If they are such powerhouses and and amazing teams then why can't they support their own players when it comes to anything outside of korea? They can lock themselves in their country and never leave for all i care. This isn't about the koreans anymore. I think its about time the rest of the world takes over ^_^ Lmao wow, how racist can you get?
This is exactly the point. Koreans are the client that NASL wants and needs to use them to make money. The Koreans are basically paying their time/gameplay skills for NASL's work (setting up the tournament) which NASL is hoping to translate into dollars. The prize money is a byproduct so no, the Koreans dont owe NASL anything. And if the client wants to pull out and cancel the contract at the last second before work starts then he's gonna be able to do it and NASL needs to suck it up. You cant criticize the client and burn bridges, jus cus u dont have him for this current job doesnt mean u wont need them later, or u might not need OTHER korean/non-korean teams. if u alrdy started work then oh well too bad, losses are a part of doing business, cut ur losses and move on. NASL is retarded for the way they handled things. No matter how bad a client is, u dont publicize it. isnt surprising however ever since Xeris's less than intelligent and extremely close-minded posts about Korea/GSL hurting e-sports and being unfair to foreigners. Try to sound less like a racist plz.
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nasl definitely has horrible business management, no matter what the koreans did.
nasl absolutely needs the koreans, and whining on teamliquid to get sympathy is not going to help them at all. i don't see the koreans coming back for season 3 after all this. nasl won't survive, simple as that. i don't see nasl having a season 3. there are already so many tournaments that are competing, and nasl has shown some amateur stuff.
compare nasl to the new ign tournament, where the prize money is the same, qualifiers from all regions, and then all expenses paid playoffs/finals at the end. not only that, they are well known for their having great production.
sorry, but nasl just can't compete, and burning bridges with the koreans was the stupidest thing they could do. everything about nasl was just amateur. it honestly seemed like it's their first time ever handling a business and it showed.
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im on the koreans side. but i still feel like.. if foreigners can muster up money to send their players to the GSL and have them live over there. why wouldnt some koreans be able to pay to have their players be over in the US for NASL. maybe its the price pool difference i dunno
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Just another example of the non-Korean scene being extremely underdeveloped and amateurish. Some organizing minds could really release the potential of this game upon a wide audience but instead the game's growth will continue to be stunted due to the failures of the non-Korean scene.
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I hate how they always bring up the idea that "traditional values" play a huge role and are complete opposites in respective parts of the world. It's like they're subtley implying that they're "honorable" in business and that all westerners are ruthless assholes out to make a quick buck, when its pretty clear that this isn't true for either side.
That's international business for you though I guess.
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How about you post an excerpt about the problems the koreans had and why they withdrew instead of the last part of the article? I bet a lot of posters in here didn't even read the whole article and just say the koreans look bad based on that very suspiciously lookin excerpt.
I also don't get why people keep comparing this to MLG expenses and Dreamhack expenses. There are significant differences with those tournaments...
- At those Lans you just fly over for one weekend at the chance for a really good prize money at dreamhack or code s and code a spots and the grand finals at MLG
- There is no security deposit which they didn't even get back before the next event started.
- You don't have to play 9 whole weeks at unmanly hours with delays every other game and on bad server conditions just to qualify for the finals. This definitely takes you out of your training routine.
- When you finally get to the NASL finals after 9 weeks you lose one best of 3 and you are out.
The trip was for nothing, the prizemoney is gone because it was used for accomodation and flight and you wasted a whole week on that. This adds up to at least 10 weeks of hassle for basically nothing. That is if you even qualified for the finals.
- The NASL-finals were not run smoothly at all. Huge delays and only one game per player at the first day but the event took like 10 hours overall. 9 hours of waiting is just NOT what a progamer wants to do. Dreamhack and the last MLGs were very well organized compared to that. They have a tight schedule and their system allows for at least one slip-up.
==> I think the conclusion for a lot of Koreans to back out of NASL is pretty reasonable from their point of view.
The one thing that is really a concern is the late withdrawal of most Korean players.
If it is true that they had to sign contracts before the finals of NASL1 took place their argument to back out after they heard about the bad experiences seems reasonable as well but I don't know the exact dates so this might just be an excuse. I guess if they just had withdrawn a little earlier then there wouldn't really be anything substantial to argue about.
In any case, this argument shouldn't have been carried out in public. NASL tried to save face with their statement after the Koreans withdrew and the Koreans did the same after seeing that. I think both sides would have been better off with just announcing the withdrawal itself and a short statement that they didn't agree on budget issues.
This "we tried everything and even offered this and that, the koreans were unreasonable" into "the conditions were so bad and you were unprofessional" discussion just seems very very childish.
I'm still gonna watch the NASL next season and just hope that they have learned from the mistakes and experiences they made last season. It has huge potential and I don't think that koreans withdrawing is such a bad thing for them after all. If the production is great then i have no doubt that im gonna be entertained. The western scene has enough good players to produce exciting games.
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On August 19 2011 01:20 Bluerain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 00:15 Heavenly wrote:On August 18 2011 09:43 Slider954 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. This isn't your buddy lending you 5 dollars and saying you can pay it back whenever or running a tab at your local bar. This is big business, with potentially millions of dollars on the line. Contracts are not taken lightly or frivolously by anyone. And I don't know where you got the idea that they don't take stuff like this seriously. Koreans take all this very seriously, otherwise they wouldn't be upset with the original NASL post. Or have introduced Kespa for BW. And yes it actually affects people besides NASL. 1st and foremost the the fans who already bought a season 2 pass. Please stop with the whole, 'you disagreed with me so you must be attacking or tearing me down.' Yeah some of the posts have been the typical herp derp bullshit. But the majority of posts I've seen in this thread have raised valid points on both sides of the argument. There's nothing wrong with spirited discussion on something, at least it shows that people actually care. If this is a big business with potentially millions of dollars on the line, NASL should treat it as such. You apparently have no idea of how business works for all your talk of contracts and their importance. Welcome to the real world where money is involved: people break contracts and change their minds, and people get screwed over. When you are in a competitive, growing field like NASL is, competing with all the other tournaments popping up all the time, you have to make sacrifices. While you can talk on the internet all you want about "oh man they are acting so unprofessional blahblahblah silly koreans", that's nothing but armchair elitism with no bearing on the real world. When two companies are both trying to get a major client, they go out of their way to flatter and suck up to that person. Companies will name buildings after their potential clients in an attempt to flatter them, wait on them hand and foot, wine and dine them. You can't scream about the growth of esports and NASL being a big business and expect everything to be nice and pretty and professional. The koreans may have acted 'unprofessional' in the eyes of this community by backing out of some contract but NASL is acting 'unbusinesslike' which, for the growth of esports, is worse. A successful business does not post condemnations of former clients who shunned them, and can make some simple concessions to increase the travel stipend to an acceptable level. Koreans are the clients that should be flattered in the business setting. They have every right to make the demands they do and if they back out of a contract, deal with it. Judging by all the anti-Korean hate on this thread, the people behind NASL obviously don't have a good grasp on how to run a business. Bringing up all this drama and all the "affronted" people in this thread will only sour relations with the Koreans, who are the most important 'clients' in esports. NASL could have just said "we could not come to an agreement with the Koreans so they are no longer participating in this season of the NASL", and potentially have soothed things over behind the scenes, explained their side to the Koreans, parted amicably and the Koreans may have decided to come back for season 3. Or if NASL didn't want them to come back anyway, they could have just left it at that. Instead NASL felt the need to stir up the SC2 community, and alienate the Koreans from dealing with them completely. On August 18 2011 17:38 CruelGame wrote:
I am actually happy koreans are not taking part of this. If they are such powerhouses and and amazing teams then why can't they support their own players when it comes to anything outside of korea? They can lock themselves in their country and never leave for all i care. This isn't about the koreans anymore. I think its about time the rest of the world takes over ^_^ Lmao wow, how racist can you get? This is exactly the point. Koreans are the client that NASL wants and needs to use them to make money. The Koreans are basically paying their time/gameplay skills for NASL's work (setting up the tournament) which NASL is hoping to translate into dollars. The prize money is a byproduct so no, the Koreans dont owe NASL anything. And if the client wants to pull out and cancel the contract at the last second before work starts then he's gonna be able to do it and NASL needs to suck it up. You cant criticize the client and burn bridges, jus cus u dont have him for this current job doesnt mean u wont need them later, or u might not need OTHER korean/non-korean teams. if u alrdy started work then oh well too bad, losses are a part of doing business, cut ur losses and move on. NASL is retarded for the way they handled things. No matter how bad a client is, u dont publicize it. isnt surprising however ever since Xeris's less than intelligent and extremely close-minded posts about Korea/GSL hurting e-sports and being unfair to foreigners. Try to sound less like a racist plz.
Actually, NASL is the client in the scenario. The Korean teams are the potential service providers or "contractors". NASL is paying Korean players, not the other way around.
So your argument is pretty much completely reversed. What the Korean teams did, while probably not illegal, was a collective dick-move.
Imagine you're planning a wedding, and a day before the recpetion the DJ, Florist, Officiant and Photographer all banded together and asked for double the amount they were contracted for. Who's in the wrong there?
Edit: The Client/contractor metaphor in this situation is weak anyways. The NASL isn't a client, they're a tournament organizer. Without a guaranteed reward, the NASL has no leverage, only an incentive (potential prize money) and a security deposit to insure commitment.
The NASL has no legal recourse in this situation, but it doesn't make the Korean teams that backed out at the 11th hour look any better. It just means they're flakes.
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He's totally right. If you don't make the players comfortable and make it easy for them to compete they will just go elsewhere. There are too many options right now in the market for their services. Personally I think the NASL just wanted to have a non-Korean league which I'm fine with. Let's see who the best of the rest really is.
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On August 19 2011 12:26 Dexerion wrote:
He's totally right. If you don't make the players comfortable and make it easy for them to compete they will just go elsewhere. There are too many options right now in the market for their services. Personally I think the NASL just wanted to have a non-Korean league which I'm fine with. Let's see who the best of the rest really is.
I don't think that's completely accurate. NASL was making changes to help out the koreans so they wouldn't have to wake up at 4am. You have a few koreans showing up to the events, but it's still like 6 people at most. Koreans don't have the level of sponsorship to really support all their players... Hell, MC paid money out of his pocket to go to foreign tournaments. It's only really feasible for the very few to go to these offline tournaments. I imagine these teams have the money to support their team house and that's about it.
It's pretty likely foreign teams are going to recruit more and more koreans because the sponsorship isn't there for the support they should be getting to really make this game global.
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Wow, sounds like e-sports growth in Korea has been outdone by their ego growth.
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I do not see how anyone can blame NASL for these conditions, it was pretty clearly stated by incontrol about what some of the things are that they expected, like quadrupling the amount that goes towards the Korean players travel and accommodations.
He clearly stated that I believe they raised it two times as to help with the cost of travel.
He also spoke about the risk/reward factor which for the Koreans being able to come and compete at a event which get's and will continue to get a lot of coverage and they all most certainly have a chance to get top 4 which pays out MORE than enough to cover the cost of travel.
Let's also touch on the fact that some of them think they should be dotted over like children when they come here because they are SC2 "Professionals" it might be mega big in Korea but here in America although we have a healthy number of spectators the difference in culture and in general how wide spread sc2 is no where near the level they can expect in Korea.
I think it is down right shitty that they decided to just sit around and than pull out in the last second and basically leave NASL in such a bad way, I mean fuck it.. whatever... more Americans now have a chance to place high and in turn that helps the scene regardless but to all these people talking about NASL doing this or that.. you just need to get over it.
NASL is not in the wrong here at all, and hopefully at the end of the day some type of agreement can happen so that the Koreans can participate in future events but they need to realize the reality of the situation and recognize they ARE NOT GOING TO GET the same level of treatment that they do in their home country. SC2 simply isn't that big here yet.
I think they are kicking themselves in the nuts here because the American "market" still has huge potential to grow and the movement basically has just started here in the states and will only continue to grow.
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Ill be quite a bit dissapointed if the NASL runs season 2 with no Korean players at all  .
(I did purchase season 1 HD as well). Glad I didn't pre order season 2. Lets hope this gets cleaned up.
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On August 20 2011 00:10 PooLarX wrote:
I do not see how anyone can blame NASL for these conditions, it was pretty clearly stated by incontrol about what some of the things are that they expected, like quadrupling the amount that goes towards the Korean players travel and accommodations.
He clearly stated that I believe they raised it two times as to help with the cost of travel.
He also spoke about the risk/reward factor which for the Koreans being able to come and compete at a event which get's and will continue to get a lot of coverage and they all most certainly have a chance to get top 4 which pays out MORE than enough to cover the cost of travel.
Let's also touch on the fact that some of them think they should be dotted over like children when they come here because they are SC2 "Professionals" it might be mega big in Korea but here in America although we have a healthy number of spectators the difference in culture and in general how wide spread sc2 is no where near the level they can expect in Korea.
I think it is down right shitty that they decided to just sit around and than pull out in the last second and basically leave NASL in such a bad way, I mean fuck it.. whatever... more Americans now have a chance to place high and in turn that helps the scene regardless but to all these people talking about NASL doing this or that.. you just need to get over it.
NASL is not in the wrong here at all, and hopefully at the end of the day some type of agreement can happen so that the Koreans can participate in future events but they need to realize the reality of the situation and recognize they ARE NOT GOING TO GET the same level of treatment that they do in their home country. SC2 simply isn't that big here yet.
I think they are kicking themselves in the nuts here because the American "market" still has huge potential to grow and the movement basically has just started here in the states and will only continue to grow.
Coach Choi said the teams signed on for season 2, but after the season 1 finals, the Koreans that came home complained about the conditions and the way NASL was run, etc.. So they pulled out. It sounds like a power play to put NASL in a bad situation, but I can understand they want to pull out after getting new information. We are not too sure what is the truth, but it does seem fishy they all decided to pull out at the same time.
People should also take note that it's not just about the travel accommodations (other tournaments have set the precedent of giving Koreans special treatment unfortunately). They expected to be picked up from the airport... because since they don't speak English they'd have a hard time getting around. Which is true. Plus lots of idle time and in general the whole operation to them felt amateurish. Something many on TL can attest to. 
All in all, probably a lot of miscommunication... why is everyone speaking by proxy? Negotiating through Mr Chae. Posting on TL. Going to the media. Do they never talk to each other directly? Do they not have a direct like of communication?
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On August 20 2011 00:10 PooLarX wrote:
I do not see how anyone can blame NASL for these conditions, it was pretty clearly stated by incontrol about what some of the things are that they expected, like quadrupling the amount that goes towards the Korean players travel and accommodations.
He clearly stated that I believe they raised it two times as to help with the cost of travel.
He also spoke about the risk/reward factor which for the Koreans being able to come and compete at a event which get's and will continue to get a lot of coverage and they all most certainly have a chance to get top 4 which pays out MORE than enough to cover the cost of travel.
Let's also touch on the fact that some of them think they should be dotted over like children when they come here because they are SC2 "Professionals" it might be mega big in Korea but here in America although we have a healthy number of spectators the difference in culture and in general how wide spread sc2 is no where near the level they can expect in Korea.
I think it is down right shitty that they decided to just sit around and than pull out in the last second and basically leave NASL in such a bad way, I mean fuck it.. whatever... more Americans now have a chance to place high and in turn that helps the scene regardless but to all these people talking about NASL doing this or that.. you just need to get over it.
NASL is not in the wrong here at all, and hopefully at the end of the day some type of agreement can happen so that the Koreans can participate in future events but they need to realize the reality of the situation and recognize they ARE NOT GOING TO GET the same level of treatment that they do in their home country. SC2 simply isn't that big here yet.
I think they are kicking themselves in the nuts here because the American "market" still has huge potential to grow and the movement basically has just started here in the states and will only continue to grow.
LOL its clearly not about the money if you read between the lines of what the Koreans are saying. To me it seems like a respect issue. Not coming to pick up your guests at the airport is just fuckin rude and considered common courtesy in just about every place in the world... I can definitly see NASL being terrible hosts in other ways that we just dont know about if they cant even handle simple courtesies. Asian culture is built around being polite and respectful and so I can easily see the Koreans feeling so slighted by the way they were treated that they are willing to give up an easy 40k. Lets not forget that the Koreans went out of their way to wake up at 3 am for NASL and wait hours for shit players to show up for matches. I find it so unprofessional that NASL would say all their manpower was focused on production as an excuse for being shitty hosts. We all know how that turned out, lol.
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So much racism towards Koreans in this thread just because they are beating the foreigners in big tournaments shouldn't make people hate them so. If anything, we should learn from their attitude and their commitment towards e-sports instead.
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