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johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
August 14 2011 23:37 GMT
#441
Again, somehow NASL comes out looking bad. Unlucky.
SlipperySnake
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
248 Posts
August 14 2011 23:39 GMT
#442
I dunno it just seems like every time the Koreans have this kind of childish super emotional attitude towards things with these blatant blame shifting things. I mean it just seems like one guy does something and then the rest just blindly follow or they have their own secret meetings and then later pretend like they all decided the same thing independently.

I mean I know it has already been said but why should NASL care if the Koreans don't want to participate, I mean I know there is all the contractual talk but it is a NA league.they probably have more than enough people hoping to get in. Koreans have this superiority complex which is deserved in some ways but come on you have a chance to win 100,000 dollars and you are going to squabble over 1 traveling arrangement to a tournament and you don't have to go through ridiculous qualifying to even have a shot. I mean I understand playing with ping is rough but I mean come on it is a 1 series weekly.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
August 14 2011 23:41 GMT
#443
On August 15 2011 08:32 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 08:27 Ocedic wrote:

On August 15 2011 03:26 Xeris wrote:
On August 15 2011 03:25 NHY wrote:
Did you read OP? Or the title? This is about what happened between NASL and S2CON.


Although really nothing actually happened -- I was operating off of incorrect information so I made an assumption that is incorrect. If I had direct contact with someone who is making // has made the decisions it would be much easier for us to work out problems, but right now I am in the dark.


Why did you make assumptions to begin with? It's not like the public was clamoring for you to pin someone to blame. Your post could literally have been "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL" and all this shit could have been avoided. Instead what you did was basically libel in an attempt to absolve yourself of all responsibility.


Ok lets say he did what you say and just said "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL". Do you really think that the fans would have said, 'Oh, ok NASL thats fine, we don't want to know WHY they aren't playing"
The fans would be calling for Xeris head on a stake and demanding to know what happened.


"We are working on communicating with the koreans for the reasons why they left"

Would have solved a ton of drama, left it on the korean's plate, and satisfied a lot of people.
Yargh
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
August 14 2011 23:43 GMT
#444
It does leave the questions about FXO's withdrawal pretty much unanswered though...
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 14 2011 23:49 GMT
#445
On August 15 2011 08:41 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 08:32 Slider954 wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:27 Ocedic wrote:

On August 15 2011 03:26 Xeris wrote:
On August 15 2011 03:25 NHY wrote:
Did you read OP? Or the title? This is about what happened between NASL and S2CON.


Although really nothing actually happened -- I was operating off of incorrect information so I made an assumption that is incorrect. If I had direct contact with someone who is making // has made the decisions it would be much easier for us to work out problems, but right now I am in the dark.


Why did you make assumptions to begin with? It's not like the public was clamoring for you to pin someone to blame. Your post could literally have been "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL" and all this shit could have been avoided. Instead what you did was basically libel in an attempt to absolve yourself of all responsibility.


Ok lets say he did what you say and just said "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL". Do you really think that the fans would have said, 'Oh, ok NASL thats fine, we don't want to know WHY they aren't playing"
The fans would be calling for Xeris head on a stake and demanding to know what happened.


"We are working on communicating with the koreans for the reasons why they left"

Would have solved a ton of drama, left it on the korean's plate, and satisfied a lot of people.


Have to disagree with you on the satisfied a lot of people part. This community isn't known for their patience as you can probably tell. And plus if they had done that, whats to stop the Koreans from releasing their own statement saying, "Hey we tried to negotiate with NASL and we gave them a small, reasonable list of things that we wanted changed but they were unwilling to compromise so we pulled out. Don't blame us, blame them."

And if you are going to say that the Koreans wouldn't do that, that's exactly what happened with EG/Puma/Coach Lee, with Lee going to the press 1st and blindsiding EG with his statement.

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JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
August 14 2011 23:56 GMT
#446
On August 15 2011 08:49 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 08:41 JinDesu wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:32 Slider954 wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:27 Ocedic wrote:

On August 15 2011 03:26 Xeris wrote:
On August 15 2011 03:25 NHY wrote:
Did you read OP? Or the title? This is about what happened between NASL and S2CON.


Although really nothing actually happened -- I was operating off of incorrect information so I made an assumption that is incorrect. If I had direct contact with someone who is making // has made the decisions it would be much easier for us to work out problems, but right now I am in the dark.


Why did you make assumptions to begin with? It's not like the public was clamoring for you to pin someone to blame. Your post could literally have been "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL" and all this shit could have been avoided. Instead what you did was basically libel in an attempt to absolve yourself of all responsibility.


Ok lets say he did what you say and just said "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL". Do you really think that the fans would have said, 'Oh, ok NASL thats fine, we don't want to know WHY they aren't playing"
The fans would be calling for Xeris head on a stake and demanding to know what happened.


"We are working on communicating with the koreans for the reasons why they left"

Would have solved a ton of drama, left it on the korean's plate, and satisfied a lot of people.


Have to disagree with you on the satisfied a lot of people part. This community isn't known for their patience as you can probably tell. And plus if they had done that, whats to stop the Koreans from releasing their own statement saying, "Hey we tried to negotiate with NASL and we gave them a small, reasonable list of things that we wanted changed but they were unwilling to compromise so we pulled out. Don't blame us, blame them."

And if you are going to say that the Koreans wouldn't do that, that's exactly what happened with EG/Puma/Coach Lee, with Lee going to the press 1st and blindsiding EG with his statement.



I'm still going to say the Koreans wouldn't do that. Not attacking them with your initial statement gives them the out so that they can put out a decent statement. We don't need drama. Leave issues like this behind the scenes, unless your sole intention was to call them out for it. Don't call them out and then come back saying "sorry I misinterpreted".

Not introducing drama with your first statement would definitely please more people than if you introduced drama. First of all, the people here who are biased towards koreans would not come into the thread insulting Xeris/NASL - there would be no reason for it. Second of all, the anti-koreans would be insulting the koreans either way. Third of all, the more impartial bunch would just say "ok, let's wait and see." At least doing it my way would eliminate one of the more vocal groups.
Yargh
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
August 14 2011 23:58 GMT
#447
On August 15 2011 08:43 RavenLoud wrote:
It does leave the questions about FXO's withdrawal pretty much unanswered though...

No it doesn't.

FXO means fOu. As said in the OP, sC told his coach he didn't want to play.

Answer answered.
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 00:05:51
August 15 2011 00:04 GMT
#448
On August 15 2011 08:56 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 08:49 Slider954 wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:41 JinDesu wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:32 Slider954 wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:27 Ocedic wrote:

On August 15 2011 03:26 Xeris wrote:
On August 15 2011 03:25 NHY wrote:
Did you read OP? Or the title? This is about what happened between NASL and S2CON.


Although really nothing actually happened -- I was operating off of incorrect information so I made an assumption that is incorrect. If I had direct contact with someone who is making // has made the decisions it would be much easier for us to work out problems, but right now I am in the dark.


Why did you make assumptions to begin with? It's not like the public was clamoring for you to pin someone to blame. Your post could literally have been "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL" and all this shit could have been avoided. Instead what you did was basically libel in an attempt to absolve yourself of all responsibility.


Ok lets say he did what you say and just said "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL". Do you really think that the fans would have said, 'Oh, ok NASL thats fine, we don't want to know WHY they aren't playing"
The fans would be calling for Xeris head on a stake and demanding to know what happened.


"We are working on communicating with the koreans for the reasons why they left"

Would have solved a ton of drama, left it on the korean's plate, and satisfied a lot of people.


Have to disagree with you on the satisfied a lot of people part. This community isn't known for their patience as you can probably tell. And plus if they had done that, whats to stop the Koreans from releasing their own statement saying, "Hey we tried to negotiate with NASL and we gave them a small, reasonable list of things that we wanted changed but they were unwilling to compromise so we pulled out. Don't blame us, blame them."

And if you are going to say that the Koreans wouldn't do that, that's exactly what happened with EG/Puma/Coach Lee, with Lee going to the press 1st and blindsiding EG with his statement.



I'm still going to say the Koreans wouldn't do that. Not attacking them with your initial statement gives them the out so that they can put out a decent statement. We don't need drama. Leave issues like this behind the scenes, unless your sole intention was to call them out for it. Don't call them out and then come back saying "sorry I misinterpreted".

Not introducing drama with your first statement would definitely please more people than if you introduced drama. First of all, the people here who are biased towards koreans would not come into the thread insulting Xeris/NASL - there would be no reason for it. Second of all, the anti-koreans would be insulting the koreans either way. Third of all, the more impartial bunch would just say "ok, let's wait and see." At least doing it my way would eliminate one of the more vocal groups.


"First of all, the people here who are biased towards koreans would not come into the thread insulting Xeris/NASL, there would be no reason for it."- Do really think they would need a reason or that they wouldn't twist everything around to come up with a reason. The pro-Korean grp is just as irrational as the anti-korean grp.

"Second of all, the anti-koreans would be insulting the koreans either way."-I agree with you there.

Third of all, the more impartial bunch would just say "ok, let's wait and see."-That 3rd group is a very,very small part of the community

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Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
August 15 2011 00:23 GMT
#449
On August 15 2011 08:39 SlipperySnake wrote:
I dunno it just seems like every time the Koreans have this kind of childish super emotional attitude towards things with these blatant blame shifting things. I mean it just seems like one guy does something and then the rest just blindly follow or they have their own secret meetings and then later pretend like they all decided the same thing independently.

I mean I know it has already been said but why should NASL care if the Koreans don't want to participate, I mean I know there is all the contractual talk but it is a NA league.they probably have more than enough people hoping to get in. Koreans have this superiority complex which is deserved in some ways but come on you have a chance to win 100,000 dollars and you are going to squabble over 1 traveling arrangement to a tournament and you don't have to go through ridiculous qualifying to even have a shot. I mean I understand playing with ping is rough but I mean come on it is a 1 series weekly.


It isn't an "NA" league. I don't why so many people keep bringing this up.

They are more Europeans then NA players.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
August 15 2011 00:27 GMT
#450
On August 15 2011 09:23 Takezou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 08:39 SlipperySnake wrote:
I dunno it just seems like every time the Koreans have this kind of childish super emotional attitude towards things with these blatant blame shifting things. I mean it just seems like one guy does something and then the rest just blindly follow or they have their own secret meetings and then later pretend like they all decided the same thing independently.

I mean I know it has already been said but why should NASL care if the Koreans don't want to participate, I mean I know there is all the contractual talk but it is a NA league.they probably have more than enough people hoping to get in. Koreans have this superiority complex which is deserved in some ways but come on you have a chance to win 100,000 dollars and you are going to squabble over 1 traveling arrangement to a tournament and you don't have to go through ridiculous qualifying to even have a shot. I mean I understand playing with ping is rough but I mean come on it is a 1 series weekly.


It isn't an "NA" league. I don't why so many people keep bringing this up.

They are more Europeans then NA players.


yah seriously, i hate how people bring up "NORTH AMERICAN" all the time. it's just a fucking league based in north america, not a league only for north americans.
iKlutz
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 00:32:06
August 15 2011 00:30 GMT
#451
As someone said before, it's really hard to know whats going on with this whole situation at the moment, if the korean teams don't want to participate that is fair enough but the only crime i see being committed is the miss use of "S2con" in the original statement. The allegations about S2con's involvement weren't really allegations, NASL was just expressing it's worry over rumours that s2con was preventing teams from participating not claiming that they were doing so. Don't give NASL too much undeserved slack over this obviously they are going to be concerned if they thought something was going on.
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BoxersGosuGarden
Profile Joined April 2011
Philippines155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 00:46:58
August 15 2011 00:43 GMT
#452
Why did NASL blame SC2Con in the first place if they were not 100% sure of their role/involvement? This made SC2Con the target and victim of the community. Now that the coaches cleared SC2Con, I wonder how people will trust NASL news again when they blow up controversies like this.
Edit: I respected SC2Con's position on the first thread when NASL first announced the Korean teams' withdrawal and waited for the response instead of jumping in the SC2Con hate bandwagon.
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jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
August 15 2011 00:52 GMT
#453
On August 15 2011 09:30 iKlutz wrote:
As someone said before, it's really hard to know whats going on with this whole situation at the moment, if the korean teams don't want to participate that is fair enough but the only crime i see being committed is the miss use of "S2con" in the original statement. The allegations about S2con's involvement weren't really allegations, NASL was just expressing it's worry over rumours that s2con was preventing teams from participating not claiming that they were doing so. Don't give NASL too much undeserved slack over this obviously they are going to be concerned if they thought something was going on.


What about breaching a signed contract and putting the other party in a severe situation? How can you, and so many people on this forum not see how terrible that is or see that as a "crime"?

NASL could be the worst run organization in the world; it doesn't mean that breaching a signed contract is all of a sudden alright, legally or morally (unless it was signed under some sort of duress, which is doubtful). The genius of this is that NASL doesn't really have any recourse, specific performance is out of the question, and a successful suit ending with a damage award would do nothing but hurt the scene, and make them even more hated. I can't even begin to imagine the ultimate damage to their image thanks to their mistake about SC2Con's involvement.

Again, you can't discount the situation that they were put in after the contracts were signed. NASL is obviously not 100% guilt free, but they are NOT the people going back on their SIGNED WORD.
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Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
August 15 2011 00:52 GMT
#454
NASL are hopeless. You can't just go out saying shit that isnt true because this is what it causes.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 01:22:45
August 15 2011 01:19 GMT
#455
On August 15 2011 08:49 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 08:41 JinDesu wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:32 Slider954 wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:27 Ocedic wrote:

On August 15 2011 03:26 Xeris wrote:
On August 15 2011 03:25 NHY wrote:
Did you read OP? Or the title? This is about what happened between NASL and S2CON.


Although really nothing actually happened -- I was operating off of incorrect information so I made an assumption that is incorrect. If I had direct contact with someone who is making // has made the decisions it would be much easier for us to work out problems, but right now I am in the dark.


Why did you make assumptions to begin with? It's not like the public was clamoring for you to pin someone to blame. Your post could literally have been "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL" and all this shit could have been avoided. Instead what you did was basically libel in an attempt to absolve yourself of all responsibility.


Ok lets say he did what you say and just said "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL". Do you really think that the fans would have said, 'Oh, ok NASL thats fine, we don't want to know WHY they aren't playing"
The fans would be calling for Xeris head on a stake and demanding to know what happened.


"We are working on communicating with the koreans for the reasons why they left"

Would have solved a ton of drama, left it on the korean's plate, and satisfied a lot of people.


Have to disagree with you on the satisfied a lot of people part. This community isn't known for their patience as you can probably tell. And plus if they had done that, whats to stop the Koreans from releasing their own statement saying, "Hey we tried to negotiate with NASL and we gave them a small, reasonable list of things that we wanted changed but they were unwilling to compromise so we pulled out. Don't blame us, blame them."

And if you are going to say that the Koreans wouldn't do that, that's exactly what happened with EG/Puma/Coach Lee, with Lee going to the press 1st and blindsiding EG with his statement.


You're wrong. This community is known to eat up anything 'officially stated,' as shown by the reaction to Xeris' post full of false information to begin with. Fact is, if Xeris just simply stated he didn't know why it had occurred, who cares?

Tournament hosters are almost never blamed for people not showing up. COUNTLESS past events have had last minute player switches or no shows, and people usually say "That's too bad" or if they feel the need to blame someone, they blame the PLAYER (for not getting visa in time, etc.) So you're basically completely wrong.

EDIT: And finally, you're ignoring the fact that HE COMMITTED LIBEL. There is no excuse for it. Saying he 'needed to say something to satiate this forum' is NOT an excuse to lie and make up shit. The fact that you're acting as if Xeris is the victim here and he had no choice is nothing short of laughable. So you actually condone a policy of "Make up shit before we have all the information and post it as news" in lieu of having all the facts?
BLCabeldank
Profile Joined July 2011
United States99 Posts
August 15 2011 01:19 GMT
#456
On August 14 2011 22:01 exog wrote:
Lol, this drama is starting to look like a bunch of clanleaders using big words and creating something but ending up taking cheap shots at eachother on forums... People are trying, but it doesnt seem to work...

i agree because honestly it just seems like a blow after blow to NASL, SC2con and the Korean teams... we will probably never know the 100% truth behind all of this drama... but i am not putting the blame on anybody because we don't know exactly who to blame....
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Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 01:43:19
August 15 2011 01:40 GMT
#457
On August 15 2011 10:19 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 08:49 Slider954 wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:41 JinDesu wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:32 Slider954 wrote:
On August 15 2011 08:27 Ocedic wrote:

On August 15 2011 03:26 Xeris wrote:
On August 15 2011 03:25 NHY wrote:
Did you read OP? Or the title? This is about what happened between NASL and S2CON.


Although really nothing actually happened -- I was operating off of incorrect information so I made an assumption that is incorrect. If I had direct contact with someone who is making // has made the decisions it would be much easier for us to work out problems, but right now I am in the dark.


Why did you make assumptions to begin with? It's not like the public was clamoring for you to pin someone to blame. Your post could literally have been "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL" and all this shit could have been avoided. Instead what you did was basically libel in an attempt to absolve yourself of all responsibility.


Ok lets say he did what you say and just said "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL". Do you really think that the fans would have said, 'Oh, ok NASL thats fine, we don't want to know WHY they aren't playing"
The fans would be calling for Xeris head on a stake and demanding to know what happened.


"We are working on communicating with the koreans for the reasons why they left"

Would have solved a ton of drama, left it on the korean's plate, and satisfied a lot of people.


Have to disagree with you on the satisfied a lot of people part. This community isn't known for their patience as you can probably tell. And plus if they had done that, whats to stop the Koreans from releasing their own statement saying, "Hey we tried to negotiate with NASL and we gave them a small, reasonable list of things that we wanted changed but they were unwilling to compromise so we pulled out. Don't blame us, blame them."

And if you are going to say that the Koreans wouldn't do that, that's exactly what happened with EG/Puma/Coach Lee, with Lee going to the press 1st and blindsiding EG with his statement.


You're wrong. This community is known to eat up anything 'officially stated,' as shown by the reaction to Xeris' post full of false information to begin with. Fact is, if Xeris just simply stated he didn't know why it had occurred, who cares?

Tournament hosters are almost never blamed for people not showing up. COUNTLESS past events have had last minute player switches or no shows, and people usually say "That's too bad" or if they feel the need to blame someone, they blame the PLAYER (for not getting visa in time, etc.) So you're basically completely wrong.

EDIT: And finally, you're ignoring the fact that HE COMMITTED LIBEL. There is no excuse for it. Saying he 'needed to say something to satiate this forum' is NOT an excuse to lie and make up shit. The fact that you're acting as if Xeris is the victim here and he had no choice is nothing short of laughable. So you actually condone a policy of "Make up shit before we have all the information and post it as news" in lieu of having all the facts?


I never said that Xeris was a victim nor did I try to portray him as such. But your blatant hate for the guy makes me think that even if he was a victim, you wouldn't care. I'm gonna post a portion of a post I made in the 'Xeris speaks on Korean withdrawal thread' just to clarify some things:

"It seems that people have somewhat of a personal vendetta against NASL in general and Xeris specifically. Or maybe that just can't stand the fact that people are defending them and it just increases their disgust.
Having said that, NASL has lost credibility in my eyes as more of how they assumed certain things and miscommunicated with various parties, has come out."

And regarding ignoring certain facts and committing unethical acts, you seem to be ignoring the fact that teams committed breach of contract by pulling out of the NASL when they did.
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
August 15 2011 01:44 GMT
#458
On August 15 2011 07:40 johngalt90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 07:15 mango_destroyer wrote:
On August 15 2011 07:12 johngalt90 wrote:
Someone is definitely lying sounds like korea con are the ones not being fully honest


Based on what?


There is 0 korean participation currently. you mean to tell me that not a single korean doesnt want to participate in the NASL (i mean not the most proffesional tournament but still). Fly out one weeeknd for a round of 32 for a shot at GSL code s prize pool.

The most important question is why is there such heavy korean attendance at MLG and none for NASL. MLG is a three day long battle of non-stop games with a significantly smaller prize pool.

KoreaCon has to be blocking player participation since most koreans would love the chance to participate. Also what about Assembly NADA went to that and it really isnt any cheaper to travel to scandinavia than the united states.

That is why i think they are hiding something. SC2con doesnt have a very good track record either. Besides Xeris isnt some random definitely going to take Xeris word over sketchy kespa-like organizations.


They can't afford it. What is hard to understand about that?

Despite the fact the Koreans are much, much better than most foreigners, they're not funded even vaguely comparably. If they want to go abroad, they need SOMEONE to pay for it, and their teams can't afford it, or have decided they don't want to risk the investment for a possible return.
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Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
August 15 2011 01:44 GMT
#459
I knew the original release from NASL was bullshit. It just made no sense. I was so shocked to see such a huge number of people suddenly supporting NASL after badmouthing them for endless lack of professionalism a month earlier.

People are just looking for a reason to label SC2CON as "OMG EVIL KESPA 2.0" and they're jumping at every opportunity to do so. Even ridiculously stupid, baseless claims from NASL.
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August 15 2011 01:46 GMT
#460
On August 15 2011 09:52 jnsjr wrote:
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On August 15 2011 09:30 iKlutz wrote:
As someone said before, it's really hard to know whats going on with this whole situation at the moment, if the korean teams don't want to participate that is fair enough but the only crime i see being committed is the miss use of "S2con" in the original statement. The allegations about S2con's involvement weren't really allegations, NASL was just expressing it's worry over rumours that s2con was preventing teams from participating not claiming that they were doing so. Don't give NASL too much undeserved slack over this obviously they are going to be concerned if they thought something was going on.


What about breaching a signed contract and putting the other party in a severe situation? How can you, and so many people on this forum not see how terrible that is or see that as a "crime"?

NASL could be the worst run organization in the world; it doesn't mean that breaching a signed contract is all of a sudden alright, legally or morally (unless it was signed under some sort of duress, which is doubtful). The genius of this is that NASL doesn't really have any recourse, specific performance is out of the question, and a successful suit ending with a damage award would do nothing but hurt the scene, and make them even more hated. I can't even begin to imagine the ultimate damage to their image thanks to their mistake about SC2Con's involvement.

Again, you can't discount the situation that they were put in after the contracts were signed. NASL is obviously not 100% guilt free, but they are NOT the people going back on their SIGNED WORD.


I seem to recall that the contracts were not binding, and they were free to pull out. There was a post about that a while ago.
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