PlayXP article on NASL, S2CON situation - Page 23

On August 15 2011 08:32 Slider954 wrote:


Ok lets say he did what you say and just said "All Koreans have withdrawn from season 2 of NASL". Do you really think that the fans would have said, 'Oh, ok NASL thats fine, we don't want to know WHY they aren't playing"
The fans would be calling for Xeris head on a stake and demanding to know what happened.

On August 15 2011 08:41 JinDesu wrote:


"We are working on communicating with the koreans for the reasons why they left"

Would have solved a ton of drama, left it on the korean's plate, and satisfied a lot of people.

On August 15 2011 08:49 Slider954 wrote:


Have to disagree with you on the satisfied a lot of people part. This community isn't known for their patience as you can probably tell. And plus if they had done that, whats to stop the Koreans from releasing their own statement saying, "Hey we tried to negotiate with NASL and we gave them a small, reasonable list of things that we wanted changed but they were unwilling to compromise so we pulled out. Don't blame us, blame them."

And if you are going to say that the Koreans wouldn't do that, that's exactly what happened with EG/Puma/Coach Lee, with Lee going to the press 1st and blindsiding EG with his statement.

On August 15 2011 08:43 RavenLoud wrote:
It does leave the questions about FXO's withdrawal pretty much unanswered though...

On August 15 2011 08:56 JinDesu wrote:


I'm still going to say the Koreans wouldn't do that. Not attacking them with your initial statement gives them the out so that they can put out a decent statement. We don't need drama. Leave issues like this behind the scenes, unless your sole intention was to call them out for it. Don't call them out and then come back saying "sorry I misinterpreted".

Not introducing drama with your first statement would definitely please more people than if you introduced drama. First of all, the people here who are biased towards koreans would not come into the thread insulting Xeris/NASL - there would be no reason for it. Second of all, the anti-koreans would be insulting the koreans either way. Third of all, the more impartial bunch would just say "ok, let's wait and see." At least doing it my way would eliminate one of the more vocal groups.

On August 15 2011 08:39 SlipperySnake wrote:
I dunno it just seems like every time the Koreans have this kind of childish super emotional attitude towards things with these blatant blame shifting things. I mean it just seems like one guy does something and then the rest just blindly follow or they have their own secret meetings and then later pretend like they all decided the same thing independently.

I mean I know it has already been said but why should NASL care if the Koreans don't want to participate, I mean I know there is all the contractual talk but it is a NA league.they probably have more than enough people hoping to get in. Koreans have this superiority complex which is deserved in some ways but come on you have a chance to win 100,000 dollars and you are going to squabble over 1 traveling arrangement to a tournament and you don't have to go through ridiculous qualifying to even have a shot. I mean I understand playing with ping is rough but I mean come on it is a 1 series weekly.

On August 15 2011 09:23 Takezou wrote:


It isn't an "NA" league. I don't why so many people keep bringing this up.

They are more Europeans then NA players.

On August 15 2011 09:30 iKlutz wrote:
As someone said before, it's really hard to know whats going on with this whole situation at the moment, if the korean teams don't want to participate that is fair enough but the only crime i see being committed is the miss use of "S2con" in the original statement. The allegations about S2con's involvement weren't really allegations, NASL was just expressing it's worry over rumours that s2con was preventing teams from participating not claiming that they were doing so. Don't give NASL too much undeserved slack over this obviously they are going to be concerned if they thought something was going on.

On August 15 2011 08:49 Slider954 wrote:


Have to disagree with you on the satisfied a lot of people part. This community isn't known for their patience as you can probably tell. And plus if they had done that, whats to stop the Koreans from releasing their own statement saying, "Hey we tried to negotiate with NASL and we gave them a small, reasonable list of things that we wanted changed but they were unwilling to compromise so we pulled out. Don't blame us, blame them."

And if you are going to say that the Koreans wouldn't do that, that's exactly what happened with EG/Puma/Coach Lee, with Lee going to the press 1st and blindsiding EG with his statement.

On August 14 2011 22:01 exog wrote:
Lol, this drama is starting to look like a bunch of clanleaders using big words and creating something but ending up taking cheap shots at eachother on forums... People are trying, but it doesnt seem to work...

On August 15 2011 10:19 Ocedic wrote:


You're wrong. This community is known to eat up anything 'officially stated,' as shown by the reaction to Xeris' post full of false information to begin with. Fact is, if Xeris just simply stated he didn't know why it had occurred, who cares?

Tournament hosters are almost never blamed for people not showing up. COUNTLESS past events have had last minute player switches or no shows, and people usually say "That's too bad" or if they feel the need to blame someone, they blame the PLAYER (for not getting visa in time, etc.) So you're basically completely wrong.

EDIT: And finally, you're ignoring the fact that HE COMMITTED LIBEL. There is no excuse for it. Saying he 'needed to say something to satiate this forum' is NOT an excuse to lie and make up shit. The fact that you're acting as if Xeris is the victim here and he had no choice is nothing short of laughable. So you actually condone a policy of "Make up shit before we have all the information and post it as news" in lieu of having all the facts?

On August 15 2011 07:40 johngalt90 wrote:


There is 0 korean participation currently. you mean to tell me that not a single korean doesnt want to participate in the NASL (i mean not the most proffesional tournament but still). Fly out one weeeknd for a round of 32 for a shot at GSL code s prize pool.

The most important question is why is there such heavy korean attendance at MLG and none for NASL. MLG is a three day long battle of non-stop games with a significantly smaller prize pool.

KoreaCon has to be blocking player participation since most koreans would love the chance to participate. Also what about Assembly NADA went to that and it really isnt any cheaper to travel to scandinavia than the united states.

That is why i think they are hiding something. SC2con doesnt have a very good track record either. Besides Xeris isnt some random definitely going to take Xeris word over sketchy kespa-like organizations.

On August 15 2011 09:52 jnsjr wrote:


What about breaching a signed contract and putting the other party in a severe situation? How can you, and so many people on this forum not see how terrible that is or see that as a "crime"?

NASL could be the worst run organization in the world; it doesn't mean that breaching a signed contract is all of a sudden alright, legally or morally (unless it was signed under some sort of duress, which is doubtful). The genius of this is that NASL doesn't really have any recourse, specific performance is out of the question, and a successful suit ending with a damage award would do nothing but hurt the scene, and make them even more hated. I can't even begin to imagine the ultimate damage to their image thanks to their mistake about SC2Con's involvement.

Again, you can't discount the situation that they were put in after the contracts were signed. NASL is obviously not 100% guilt free, but they are NOT the people going back on their SIGNED WORD.