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PlayXP article on NASL, S2CON situation

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NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 18:42:41
August 14 2011 12:53 GMT
#1
Edit: I had to repeat this so many times that I believe it merits a spot here

s2con members:
IM, MVP, NSHoSeo, oGs, Prime, StarTale, ZeNEX

Korean teams mentioned in NASL's announcement:
oGs, StarTale, WeMadeFox, TSL, Prime

Korean teams NOT mentioned in NASL's announcement but are not participating in NASL:
SlayerS, FXO Korea

Total of 7 teams withdrew from NASL. Only 3 of them are in S2CON.





Following is a tranlation by me from PlayXP, and parts from JSy's earlier tranlation.
http://www.playxp.com/news/read.php?news_id=3293365
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254543



NASL's allegations turn out to be baseless.
- NASL apologizes for misrepresenting S2CON
- NASL's allegations turn out to be baseless, according to coachs Lee Hyung Seop and Choi Yoon Sang

Starcraft II conference (S2CON) has released a statement that korean players' withdrawal from NASL season 2 is not related to S2CON. Through its official website, S2CON explained that the events leading to the recent NASL troubles were not actions taken under the supervision S2CON, but rather were actions taken by the individual teams. S2CON also clarifed that they have not transmitted nor received any official communication with NASL.

NASL replied that

To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams.

If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name.

...

So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible!



However, in the same reply NASL also asserted that

However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.


alleging that S2CON is harming NASL.

PlayXP contacted coaches of FXO and MVP to get a clarification and this allegation turns out to be baseless.

Coach Lee Hyung Seop from FXO (Choya) told us that "The decision to withdraw was made because sC didn't wish to participate. We didn't have any kind of argument regarding participation in NASL with S2CON."

Coach Choi Yoon Sang from MVP also told us that "We are surpised to hear this since we never had an intention to participate in NASL. It is true that compLexity, our partner, suggested participation but we declined because it would be difficult for us to do so. This suggestion came after other korean teams have declined and there has been no direct contact with NASL."

Regarding an allegation that S2CON is blocking korean team's participation, coach choi countered NASL's account by saying that

"It is nonsense to suggest S2CON is blocking [our] participation. If we wanted to participate, we would do so regardless of whatever S2CON's wishes were."

There are rumors that S2CON is blocking korean team's participation in foreign scene. However, it's been confirmed that since their creation in Nov, 2010 S2CON has left the decision of participating in foreign events to each team's discretion and have not interfered in any way in this regard since.

Original article in Korean:
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NASL 주장, 사실무근으로 확인
- NASL, 협의회 인지(認知) 잘못에 대해 사과
- 이형섭-최윤상 감독, NASL측 주장 사실무근

스타크래프트2 협의회(이하 협의회)가 '이번 NASL 시즌2에 한국 선수 참가 철회가 협의회와는 무관하다'는 입장을 발표했다. 협의회는 공식 홈페이지를 통해 참가 철회로 인한 분쟁은 각 게임단 자체적으로 진행된 내용이라 해명했다. 이어서 협의회는 NASL로부터 공식적인 내용을 전달하거나 받은 적도 없다고 밝혔다.

이 소식을 접한 NASL측은 “한국에서 진행되는 일을 정확하게 알지 못한다. 하지만, 우린 한국팀들의 공통된 결정을 들었고 첫 계약서에는 ‘스타크래프트2 한국 팀 협의회(SC2 Korean Team Committee)’라고 작성되어 있었다. 이후 계약 때에도 이렇게 작성되어 협의회라고 적은 것이다. 만약, 소수 팀들의 결정이었으면 스타2협의회(S2CON)에 사과하고 싶다”며 자신들의 실수에 사과하는 뜻을 내비쳤다.

하지만, 그는 “김승철(FXO소속, sC)와 MVP팀의 소속 선수들이 NASL에 참가하려 하는데 ‘S2CON’이 출전을 막고 있어 당황하고 있다”는 입장을 밝히며 ‘S2CON’가 NASL에 피해를 주고 있다고 주장했다.

이에 PlayXP는 김승철이 소속되어 있는 FXO의 이형섭 감독과 MVP의 최윤상 감독에게 확인해 본 결과 사실 무근인 것으로 확인됐다.

이형섭 감독은 “김승철 선수 본인이 출전하지 않기로 해 철회 한 것”이라며 “NASL 출전과 관련해 S2CON과 그 어떤 논쟁을 벌인 적이 없다”고 밝혔다. 최윤상 감독 또한 “처음부터 NASL에 출전할 의사가 없었는데 이런 말을 듣게 되어 황당하다. 형제 팀인 ‘compLexity’로부터 NASL 출전 제안을 받은 것은 사실이나, 팀 사정상 힘들어 정중히 거절했다, 또 이 제안은 한국 팀들의 출전 철회 후 온 것이고 NASL로부터 직접적인 교섭은 없었다”고 밝혔다. ‘S2CON’의 참가 저지에 대한 질문에는 “만약, 우리가 출전하고 싶었다면 협의회 의사와는 무관하게 출전할 수 있는데 출전을 저지한다니 웃기는 소리다”며 NASL측의 주장을 반박하기도 했다.

한편, 일각에선 ‘S2CON’이 국내 팀의 해외 진출을 막고 있는 것이란 설이 일고 있지만, S2CON은 지난 해 11월 발족 당시부터 해외 대회 출전 여부는 팀 자율에 맡겼으며 그에 따른 부분에 대해 관여한 바가 전혀 없는 것으로 확인 됐다.

글: 안영훈(ethan@playxp.com)
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Rubber
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
August 14 2011 12:57 GMT
#2
The lack of effective communication around this issue is unfortunate
"DONT TOUCH ME WITH THAT @#$%ING PROBE." User was probed for this post.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
August 14 2011 12:57 GMT
#3
in other words sc2con did nothing and got blamed for a crime they didnt commit and the korean teams just did not want to deal with NASL

lol
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
August 14 2011 12:58 GMT
#4
Who really knows what is going on at this point? We'll probably never know the truth tbh
joen05
Profile Joined July 2011
United States126 Posts
August 14 2011 12:58 GMT
#5
Thanks for the translation. NASL seems to have some things to figure out. I enjoyed them for the amount of content produced; I could almost always find a game to watch. Hopefully they invite some of the great players from season 1 who didn't qualify for season 2 back in. I think they still have potential, but really need to work at it.
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SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
August 14 2011 12:59 GMT
#6
Man I've completely lost track with what's going on here
T_T
All these different sides and I don't know which one is true
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
flakmonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia254 Posts
August 14 2011 13:01 GMT
#7
sC didn't wish to participate in NASL? That doesn't make any sense to me. Why would he attempt to qualify for the tournament in the first place?
exog
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway279 Posts
August 14 2011 13:01 GMT
#8
Lol, this drama is starting to look like a bunch of clanleaders using big words and creating something but ending up taking cheap shots at eachother on forums... People are trying, but it doesnt seem to work...
.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
August 14 2011 13:02 GMT
#9
good work, gives clarity into this situation.

these news not so good for the nasl image...
Williammm
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia908 Posts
August 14 2011 13:02 GMT
#10
I think this information is credible since FXOBoss expressed earlier prior to this statement that SC did in fact have no interest in the first place to play in NASL. So NASL's claim that SC2Con is blocking players from playing is completely baseless
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
August 14 2011 13:03 GMT
#11
This may absolve SC2CON from scrutiny, but still raises the question of the individual contracts. The teams still knowingly signed the contract and then pulled out? Were there any playXP comments about that?
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
havox_
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 13:08:40
August 14 2011 13:05 GMT
#12
On August 14 2011 21:58 Domination wrote:
Who really knows what is going on at this point? We'll probably never know the truth tbh

this!
the whole situation right now is so weird :D
And god damnit, suxx so badly that the information exchange between the Western and the Korean scenes always needs translations... :/

edit:
and this would really bring up the question why non of the Koreans does wanna compete...
Even if the decision wasnt "forced" by someone, i thought it made sense that the Korean teams decided together...
But now the whole story doesnt make any sense at all^^
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 13:05:42
August 14 2011 13:05 GMT
#13
This SC2CON confuses me... are they an organisation with power? Are they not a collection of teams? So, who is responsible for violating the signed contracts?
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
August 14 2011 13:06 GMT
#14
On August 14 2011 22:03 Daniel C wrote:
This may absolve SC2CON from scrutiny, but still raises the question of the individual contracts. The teams still knowingly signed the contract and then pulled out? Were there any playXP comments about that?


I'd say 1/2 are criticizing teams and 1/2 are saying wait for their response.
Mikhail
Profile Joined May 2011
67 Posts
August 14 2011 13:07 GMT
#15
On August 14 2011 22:03 Daniel C wrote:
This may absolve SC2CON from scrutiny, but still raises the question of the individual contracts. The teams still knowingly signed the contract and then pulled out? Were there any playXP comments about that?

So apparently this means that all the players are the ones to blame instead for suddenly pulling out in the last minute? Real classy.

Something's not right here...
Madera
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
August 14 2011 13:07 GMT
#16
There has been so much drama the past couple of days.
Williammm
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia908 Posts
August 14 2011 13:08 GMT
#17
It was mentioned earlier that the players were made to confirm and sign contracts in late June before the NASL finals when things weren't ironed out yet. Issues about how the players were treated were raised well before the commencement of NASL season 2 and apparently those issues still haven't been addressed yet. Despite the issues, NASL went ahead with production ignoring the requests of the Korean players.

Subsequently, the Korean players withdrew because they were left with no choice. Boxer withdrew from season 2 well before this as speculation also points towards what everyone has been saying, that treatment of the players as well as the schedule were too difficult to commit and the prize money wasn't worth the trouble.
Dexx
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany175 Posts
August 14 2011 13:08 GMT
#18
I say lol to that statement.

Who really believes that second tier players who don't have a chance right now at winning the GSL and took part in the qualifiers for NASL 2 and in doing so displayed their commitment to NASL 2, now all of a sudden refuse to play, do this out of their free will?

I call Asian shenanigans behind this: When the collective has decided on something, the individual must follow suit. Otherwise he will suffer from it being an outcast in society.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 14 2011 13:10 GMT
#19
another case of mis-information, but this time it's not sc2con, it is nasl, is that correct?
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Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
August 14 2011 13:12 GMT
#20
On August 14 2011 21:59 SenorChang wrote:
Man I've completely lost track with what's going on here
T_T
All these different sides and I don't know which one is true


thats how i feel >.<

i think some things got lost in translation or something because it seems like one side or the other is getting misunderstood
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