EPTPlayXP article on NASL, S2CON situation - Page 26
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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PingTimeout
United States8 Posts
From what I've read about the issue, it just seems like a compromise issue (as xXFireandIceXx said) mixed with a little bit of an entitlement complex from the Korean teams. It's just getting blown out of proportion. I guess all (e-)sport franchises need drama. :D | ||
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JudgeHolden
Canada11 Posts
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
Jokes aside, too much conspiracy theories here that there is some sort of "asian value" going on, that players are pressured by collective will to not participate, these are baseless speculations and quite frankly, a bit 'racist' to presume that Koreans are drones that requires group consensus to do anything. Surely, the individual teams and individual members have assessed the pros and cons of entering, we need to stop speculating until further information. I am going to reiterate a point that is highly subjective but draws on the credibility of Boxer, is that if Boxer is declining to do a second season of NASL regardless of a relatively good performance, it is more than likely it isn't an issue of money but rather some disapproval with the way the tournament is organized. We can only speculate. I think NASL is trying too hard in selling to the public that they are the victims of this whole debauchery. From this news alone, where we know that NASL has "misinterpreted" the koreans' decision as a collective decision by SC2Con, we know that the NASL is able to "accidentally" accuse the Koreans things that are absolutely not true. It's almost as if the NASL thinks language barrier can filter out the truth, but thank goodness we have great translators keeping a good watch on the Koreans' opinions public on TL. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10352 Posts
I really don't buy that he didn't know SC2Con was an organization. On another note SC2Con is doing fine by me. Fighting for player salaries, apologizing and being generally around without causing hell. Hopefully not following Kespa's footsteps. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
NASL should sell their image, not just dump everything in a huge prizepool. Better production, more stylish, and lower pricepool. When I think of it, I should give NASL some more chances, I remember GSL season 1, God awful quality on everything they did, but they did their work and preparation for seasons to come. Please make something beatiful NASL, pick the best from EU/NA, that would be cool. | ||
Hossinaut
United States453 Posts
NASL Hwaiting <3 | ||
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DrDevice
Canada132 Posts
He basically said "I dno anything about sc2con or whether they were involved in this decision but I thought I'd just use their name so it's less typing for me." How much more unprofessional can NASL get? They keep shattering their own records. Go to hell NASL. You're never getting my money and I hope you fail. The West deserves to be represented by competent organizations and they already exist. No-one will miss you when you're done failing. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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macil222
United States113 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:27 MildSeven wrote: Koreans aren't going because Xeris is going to take their VIP chairs since he's earned them through years of hard work. Jokes aside, too much conspiracy theories here that there is some sort of "asian value" going on, that players are pressured by collective will to not participate, these are baseless speculations and quite frankly, a bit 'racist' to presume that Koreans are drones that requires group consensus to do anything. Surely, the individual teams and individual members have assessed the pros and cons of entering, we need to stop speculating until further information. I am going to reiterate a point that is highly subjective but draws on the credibility of Boxer, is that if Boxer is declining to do a second season of NASL regardless of a relatively good performance, it is more than likely it isn't an issue of money but rather some disapproval with the way the tournament is organized. We can only speculate. I think NASL is trying too hard in selling to the public that they are the victims of this whole debauchery. From this news alone, where we know that NASL has "misinterpreted" the koreans' decision as a collective decision by SC2Con, we know that the NASL is able to "accidentally" accuse the Koreans things that are absolutely not true. It's almost as if the NASL thinks language barrier can filter out the truth, but thank goodness we have great translators keeping a good watch on the Koreans' opinions public on TL. Well I wasn't one who tried to guess why the Korean's made these decisions and I will just wait for the facts to come out. However, it is not "racist" as you say for someone to presume that Asians would be more likely to engage in a collective behavior. Generally eastern cultures, Japan and S.Korea in particular can be described as shame societies, and the west as guilt societies. Obviously they are generalizations but in a 'shame society" it is very important for people to do what is expected of them. Age is also very important. If an older, more experienced or otherwise important person makes a decision then younger gamers would almost certainly fall into line as expected. That might not be what happened in this situation but you shouldn't be so quick to accuse someone of being a racist. | ||
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GeedrAhsc
United States97 Posts
Korean teams need to act a bit more professional and hold up their end of a bargain, or contract. Signing contracts and backing out because they don't feel like upholding the contract is not only unprofessional but childish. Grow up. If there is any form of collusion going on, quit it. It's not cute and it causes nothing but drama. On the other hand, NASL, if it is your wish to represent the West as the top, premier sc2 tournament organization, you should start acting like it. Fire whoever keeps prematurely releasing press statements full of blanket assumptions, ignorant statements, and baseless accusations, as well as whoever authorizes the press release of said statements. Yes, it's unfair and it sucks that the Koreans aren't holding their end of the bargain, but if you handle things like a mature, professional organization should, you would at least hold the respect of the sc2 community, and perhaps the Koreans will follow suit and grow up as well. Then, perhaps, you can begin to address the issues that players have with how the tournament is being run, so you can truly become the top tournament organization of the West. I really do hope this immature, dramatic nonsense gets cleared up, and both parties in this case grow up and begin to do what's best not only for themselves, but the sc2 community as a whole. Some of us are tired of these shenanigans and just wanna watch some quality sc2 games. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On August 16 2011 02:25 Vladimir wrote: This is the stupidest shit I've heard in quite some time. Every time anybody from NASL speaks it's like listening to an arrogant 12 year old trying to represent every mistake they make as not their fault. He basically said "I dno anything about sc2con or whether they were involved in this decision but I thought I'd just use their name so it's less typing for me." How much more unprofessional can NASL get? They keep shattering their own records. Go to hell NASL. You're never getting my money and I hope you fail. The West deserves to be represented by competent organizations and they already exist. No-one will miss you when you're done failing. This just boggles my mind. So the first announcement from NASL was made with no knowledge of what was happening, blaming an organization that they never contacted for players withdrawing, saying they waited until the last minute, etc. and the entire thing was made up? It's painfully obvious the blame lies entirely on whoever from NASL thought they were contacting "SC2Con" for failure to communicate. "it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams." WT-ACTUAL-F. How do you not know who you're negotiating with, and then blame them for delaying your program? At this point I wouldn't be surprised if recorded calls were leaked from GOMTV customer support with some kid from the NASL calling in asking if he could get some good Korean Code S players to play in his tournament. | ||
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SolidGasPro
93 Posts
I'm even wondering if they'll be able to afford Lindsay again :D | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:01 JudgeHolden wrote: NASL needs to stop depending on Koreans to get publicity. As soon as the drama concerning wages and stipends grew NASL should have bailed on the idea entirely. If Korean teams can't swing a few plane tickets for the tournament with the biggest prize pool in history then too bad. Their loss. NASL should have faith in the players from NA and their ability to draw a crowd. NASL is so good at marketing. Their announcement thread has 177 pages of Korean team bashing (from my cursory look.. it's a lot of pages). And this one with their mea culpa is barely commented on. They talked up how big their prize pool is, but last I checked, 100k for Season 1 is about 60% the size of GSL Open 1 (~$170k depending on exchange rate). It's still smaller than the Code S prize pool in fact (~$129k). As for foreign teams and participation it's a problem with MLG as well. I've notice that the European player list for MLG is pretty erratic for the non-seeded players. Plus, quite a few notable Koreans (Nada, Boxer, Ensnare) from NASL 1 withdrew before NASL 2. They didn't announce why, but probably a combination of playing a very grueling 10 week qualifier with little to no upside other than the top 4 had to do with it. It's just a little surprising that the rest decided to mass withdraw like this. Definitely could have been handled better on both ends, but remember how poor communication with the Korean teams was in Season 1? I don't think we should be surprised that the language/culture/time barriers persisted into Season 2. | ||
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hobosrus
United States99 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 16 2011 05:55 hobosrus wrote: Why cant they just leave it at:"Korean players will not be able to come because of unfortunate circumstances"? Because it just wouldn't be NASL if they didn't at least try to blame everyone else first | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On August 16 2011 05:55 hobosrus wrote: Why cant they just leave it at:"Korean players will not be able to come because of unfortunate circumstances"? That would've been the legitimate correct way to handle this. But it's the internets, drama has to be created right? | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On August 16 2011 06:15 Soap wrote: Because the korean teams acted terribly, and that should be exposed so others can be cautious when dealing with them. SlayerS withdrew amicably and NASL did not threw a fuss about that. I think the korean's legitimately wanted to play, but since they were forced to sign the contracts so early, they did so in good faith that negotiations would be worked out since they were already known and being presented to NASL back in june. fast forward 2 months, and basically negotiations didn't happen, so they had to withdraw. I think the koreans probably really wanted to play, they just wanted to make sure they were treated the way they would expect to be treated, especially for enduring a 10 week long season. Some miscommunication probably happened on both ends but I don't think it's fair to just flat out call the koreans bastards for pulling out late, they probably only did it so late because they legitimately thought they could fix things in time to make both sides happy but that didn't so they didn't. People need to get off this Korean hatewagon. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 16 2011 06:19 Kazeyonoma wrote: I think the korean's legitimately wanted to play, but since they were forced to sign the contracts so early, they did so in good faith that negotiations would be worked out since they were already known and being presented to NASL back in june. fast forward 2 months, and basically negotiations didn't happen, so they had to withdraw. I think the koreans probably really wanted to play, they just wanted to make sure they were treated the way they would expect to be treated, especially for enduring a 10 week long season. Some miscommunication probably happened on both ends but I don't think it's fair to just flat out call the koreans bastards for pulling out late, they probably only did it so late because they legitimately thought they could fix things in time to make both sides happy but that didn't so they didn't. People need to get off this Korean hatewagon. They didn't sign the contracts 2 months ago, they signed approx 10-15 days ago. And after they signed the contracts, thats when the decided to bring up their concerns.. | ||
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