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Wait, if this is true then why did FXOBoss just withdraw FXO from SC2Con?
I really wish we could get a straight run-down 
I hope things work out for the best though! I've always felt that NASL is a wonderful organization. I think, despite the loss of Koreans, I will still buy a ticket for next season! Just to show my support.
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This Drama is getting really confusing, I can only make out that there's a heavy dispute between all these parties, I hope this can be worked out, or clarified
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This shit is so ridiculous. Whether it's EG, Coach Lee, NASL, SC2Con, FXO or whatever, these organizations need to act like professionals and work out their differences in private behind the scenes rather than taking the fight onto community sites and writing kneejerk QQ posts at every first slight.
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On August 14 2011 22:31 MagnusHyperion wrote:Wait, if this is true then why did FXOBoss just withdraw FXO from SC2Con? I really wish we could get a straight run-down  I hope things work out for the best though! I've always felt that NASL is a wonderful organization. I think, despite the loss of Koreans, I will still buy a ticket for next season! Just to show my support.
You realize these are two completely different situations, right?
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To be honest, requiring contracts and deposits just to participate in what's technically an online qualifier tournament (which the whole online portion of NASL is) is just not sensible at all in the first place.
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On August 14 2011 22:34 red4ce wrote: This shit is so ridiculous. Whether it's EG, Coach Lee, NASL, SC2Con, FXO or whatever, these organizations need to act like professionals and work out their differences in private behind the scenes rather than taking the fight onto community sites and writing kneejerk QQ posts at every first slight.
agree, this never ending drama is so absurd. Im getting tired of it. (at first it was fun, now i just get tired and sick of it)
please, sit down in the boat
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On August 14 2011 22:35 Talin wrote: To be honest, requiring contracts and deposits just to participate in what's technically an online qualifier tournament (which the whole online portion of NASL is) is just not sensible at all in the first place.
so dont sign the contract?
nasl have done nothing wrong.
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On August 14 2011 22:34 red4ce wrote: This shit is so ridiculous. Whether it's EG, Coach Lee, NASL, SC2Con, FXO or whatever, these organizations need to act like professionals and work out their differences in private behind the scenes rather than taking the fight onto community sites and writing kneejerk QQ posts at every first slight. You are right. This is getting ridiculous and very confusing. If this is a new kind of PR then wow it's a mindboggling technique.
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On August 14 2011 22:35 Talin wrote: To be honest, requiring contracts and deposits just to participate in what's technically an online qualifier tournament (which the whole online portion of NASL is) is just not sensible at all in the first place.
You obviously have no idea how business works. You ALWAYS have contracts. A deal without a contract is no deal at all.
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Okay. Several things/possibilities going on in my mind.
1. Korean politics between the teams and the S2CON. The usual blackmail stuff. 2. Lack of communication between NASL and effectively anyone in Korea. They should get a Korean liason or PR rep. Using the media/public forums to establish communication is stupid. 3. S2CON, NASL and other parties using TL.net as their media outlet. It's ridiculous. It's unprofessional. Use twitter or your own website or a proper news outlet, and let a TL member link that source here. Using TL as the first means of public communication is amateurish.
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It seems like S2CON has expressed their opinion of participation in NASL but has made them 'aware' that they 'may choose to make their own decisions' hint hint WE DONT WANT YOU TO BUT U CAN IF U WANT TO ANYWAYS.
politics.
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Here we go again. We really need sub-forum for sc2 drama
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On August 14 2011 22:39 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 22:35 Talin wrote: To be honest, requiring contracts and deposits just to participate in what's technically an online qualifier tournament (which the whole online portion of NASL is) is just not sensible at all in the first place. You obviously have no idea how business works. You ALWAYS have contracts. A deal without a contract is no deal at all. Well maybe in USA but I know a couple of countries where a lot of deals are sealed with a nothing more than a formality.
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On August 14 2011 22:39 tyCe wrote: Okay. Several things/possibilities going on in my mind.
1. Korean politics between the teams and the S2CON. The usual blackmail stuff. 2. Lack of communication between NASL and effectively anyone in Korea. They should get a Korean liason or PR rep. Using the media/public forums to establish communication is stupid. 3. S2CON, NASL and other parties using TL.net as their media outlet. It's ridiculous. It's unprofessional. Use twitter or your own website or a proper news outlet, and let a TL member link that source here. Using TL as the first means of public communication is amateurish.
S2CON made official statements, one regarding NASL and another regarding FXO in their website, which are translated by TL members.
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On August 14 2011 22:46 AlBundy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 22:39 Myles wrote:On August 14 2011 22:35 Talin wrote: To be honest, requiring contracts and deposits just to participate in what's technically an online qualifier tournament (which the whole online portion of NASL is) is just not sensible at all in the first place. You obviously have no idea how business works. You ALWAYS have contracts. A deal without a contract is no deal at all. Well maybe in USA but I know a couple of countries where a lot of deals are sealed with a nothing more than a formality.
Really? That's crazy imo. I don't see how you can agree to something and not put it in writing. Don't get me wrong, I understand preliminary agreements and such are often made on a verbal basis, but they're always written into contracts at some point before everything is supposed to happen.
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Well it seems communicating with Korean teams is hard. Even FXO, and they are in Korea, were dealing supposedly with someone from sc2con, but later we find out he actually does not speak for teams/managers and players. It seems that sc2con is kind of disorganized as rumors are flying everywhere and since there is no proper channel they are the only thing people trying to communicate with sc2con have to work with.
NASL should not have publicized the rumors (about sC and MvP team), on the other hand all this denial from sc2con and Korean teams at this point is starting to look more than suspicious. Especially since it is not like this is the only case of them not really having good grasp on the situation as seen in the whole TSL thing. A lot of coverup going everywhere and for the time being it seems noone is to be trusted, so frankly responses from sc2con and Korean teams are just as useless and untrustworthy as NASL statements (probably more).
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On August 14 2011 22:48 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 22:46 AlBundy wrote:On August 14 2011 22:39 Myles wrote:On August 14 2011 22:35 Talin wrote: To be honest, requiring contracts and deposits just to participate in what's technically an online qualifier tournament (which the whole online portion of NASL is) is just not sensible at all in the first place. You obviously have no idea how business works. You ALWAYS have contracts. A deal without a contract is no deal at all. Well maybe in USA but I know a couple of countries where a lot of deals are sealed with a nothing more than a formality. Really? That's crazy imo. I don't see how you can agree to something and not put it in writing. It may be related to the country's culture, some people have a traditionnal way of doing business. But in this case, you are right, NASL and Koreans absolutely need contracts, and need to enforce them.
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Why can’t NASL just realize that the Koreans do not want to participate in the league. IMO they look kind of pathetic begging the Koreans to play. NASL should not cater to anyone, just let the players who want an opportunity “apply” and then pick from those.
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Wow nasl really jumped the gun on their accusations. They should have said that "korean teams are not participating in NASL anymore" and left it at that instead of making baseless accusations.
Pretty ridiculous and unproffesional on NASL's part since they seem to pretty much have no idea whats going on.
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On August 14 2011 22:48 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 22:46 AlBundy wrote:On August 14 2011 22:39 Myles wrote:On August 14 2011 22:35 Talin wrote: To be honest, requiring contracts and deposits just to participate in what's technically an online qualifier tournament (which the whole online portion of NASL is) is just not sensible at all in the first place. You obviously have no idea how business works. You ALWAYS have contracts. A deal without a contract is no deal at all. Well maybe in USA but I know a couple of countries where a lot of deals are sealed with a nothing more than a formality. Really? That's crazy imo. I don't see how you can agree to something and not put it in writing. Don't get me wrong, I understand preliminary agreements and such are often made on a verbal basis, but they're always written into contracts at some point before everything is supposed to happen. In more than few places oral contracts are as binding as written one, but you need to be able to prove that they actually happened in case of court dispute.
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