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PlayXP article on NASL, S2CON situation - Page 21

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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 14 2011 21:38 GMT
#401
Why do you keep comparing NASL to GSL ? I don't see what these leagues have in common.
o choro é livre
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 14 2011 21:40 GMT
#402
On August 15 2011 06:38 AlBundy wrote:
Why do you keep comparing NASL to GSL ? I don't see what these leagues have in common.

The letters S and L. Comparison pretty much ends there though
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
August 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#403
How is any individual player going to talk out against sc2con when sc2con can outcast them from South Korean participation if they cross them. That's the only part about this where I find it hard to really 'confirm' anything. That's just like FXO is being blackmailed by a 'member of sc2con' this seems like the same kind of shenanigans as Kespa.

Between FXO, NASL, and TSL my faith doesn't lie with anything that comes out of sc2con.
Twitter: @GoForNerski /// Youtube: Youtube.com/nerskisc
J.E.G.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States389 Posts
August 14 2011 21:44 GMT
#404
I do not understand why either one of these organizations are making so many public statements w/o coming to absolute conclusions with each other first. Every "issue" that i've seen in the sc2 progaming community seems to be a direct result of complete lack of professionalism and respect for one another, no matter the situation.
Do or do not; there is no try.
Gegenschein
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 21:51:05
August 14 2011 21:48 GMT
#405
Does this mean Artosis will be back for NASL season 2 ?

More seriously: that sucks. I hope we can still have some good Korean players in the NASL.
You and whose 200/200 fully upgraded army?
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
August 14 2011 21:50 GMT
#406
-.- This whole thing is starting to be annoying and dramatic like the whole FD thing. It probably just boils down to a disagreement, and people can have opinons on what is actually fair. But the amount of bs this is generating, hate towards Korea especially, is unfounded.
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
LesPhoques
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada782 Posts
August 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#407
May be Korean teams are scared that their ace players will be lured away by foreign teams?
Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
August 14 2011 21:55 GMT
#408
I just want to know who's playing in NASL. Is there a list for that somewhere?

Get Tyler, Haypro, and Artosis back in it, and I'll still watch those guys.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
August 14 2011 21:58 GMT
#409
Wow this sure is confusing. Hard to know whats true and what not. But by the looks of things this seems to be a problem with NASL this time. :o
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 14 2011 22:09 GMT
#410
On August 15 2011 06:38 AlBundy wrote:
Why do you keep comparing NASL to GSL ? I don't see what these leagues have in common.


Well, Xeris post specificly said, that it was Mr. Chae that declined NASL's offer to pay 2000$ off of the korean teams travel expenses.. I have no idea how Mr. Chae is involved though
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 14 2011 22:10 GMT
#411
On August 15 2011 07:09 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:38 AlBundy wrote:
Why do you keep comparing NASL to GSL ? I don't see what these leagues have in common.


Well, Xeris post specificly said, that it was Mr. Chae that declined NASL's offer to pay 2000$ off of the korean teams travel expenses.. I have no idea how Mr. Chae is involved though


They pay 1000... the other 1000 comes directly out of the players prize money, its not the same.
secret - never again
macil222
Profile Joined August 2011
United States113 Posts
August 14 2011 22:11 GMT
#412
On August 15 2011 06:38 AlBundy wrote:
Why do you keep comparing NASL to GSL ? I don't see what these leagues have in common.


Not sure if you were referring to me, but what I'm comparing are the difficulties for someone overseas to enter in and compete in these tournaments. People love the GSL even though it is nearly impossible for a foreigner to compete without a huge commitment of time and cash for travel and living expenses and yet people are hating the NASL for being too much of a burden on the Koreans when it is actually so much less than other leagues.

I just don't see how people can say that the nasl is not worth the burden when you get the chance for a code s prize pool. People say it sucks because the Koreans might fly over and get eliminated in the single elimination bracket. Well if that sucks then why don't the same people have a problem with GSL when Ret goes to play in code a, loses one series, wins nothing and has to wait a month before he would even be allowed to qualify again?

So the comparison is not between the leagues so much as it is between the way people perceive each league.

To be honest I think most of the hate is because NASL is based in the United States and most everyone hates the United States even when it comes to non political things such as gaming. I can't see any other way there is even a controversy over a group of players running away from already signed contracts.
johngalt90
Profile Joined May 2010
United States357 Posts
August 14 2011 22:12 GMT
#413
Someone is definitely lying sounds like korea con are the ones not being fully honest
fuck the haters
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 22:16:43
August 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#414
alot of things involving NASL seem to be very amateurish.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 22:15:12
August 14 2011 22:14 GMT
#415
I have a few questions about the whole situation

a) Were the contracts for NASL participation in Korean? And even if they were in Korean was a legitimate translator used to ensure proper translation?

b) Is it possible for NASL to release a sample contract to the public?

c) Who exactly has NASL been talking to? Mr. Chae? The individual teams? They seem to be changing their story every time a statement comes out? :[

Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
August 14 2011 22:14 GMT
#416
On August 15 2011 07:12 johngalt90 wrote:
Someone is definitely lying sounds like korea con are the ones not being fully honest


sc2 con has no power. it's just a misconception created by negative image carried over from kespa and NASL's accusation which has been proven fasle by everyone.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
August 14 2011 22:15 GMT
#417
On August 15 2011 07:12 johngalt90 wrote:
Someone is definitely lying sounds like korea con are the ones not being fully honest


Based on what?
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 22:17:05
August 14 2011 22:16 GMT
#418
On August 15 2011 06:37 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:30 Barolt wrote:
NASL receives 'undue hate' because they air their dirty laundry in public every time. Look at organizations like MLG and GSL. How often do you see drama in here with regards to them? That's why I see NASL as a second class league. Even when MLG Dallas was a terrible experience, they gave away free HD, and they catered to their customer as much as possible to try to clean up their reputation.


Using MLG Dallas defeats your own argument because after that fiasco, Sundance came out in public and aired all the 'dirty laundry' regarding what had happened. He explained exactly what the problems were, what caused them and what they were going to do to rectify it. He was very transparent with the fans. Sometimes the laundry needs to be aired out completely, its the only way it will get cleaned.


You can do that if you place the blame squarely on yourself, which is what they did after Dallas. If you recall, Sundance himself was ridiculed to pieces on these same forums when he suggested that people should buy more t-shirts in order to get a decent SC2 competition going.

Then after Dallas, MLG came clean, placed the blame squarely on themselves, compensated everyone that had paid up to that point, and pretty much everyone came to respect MLG and Sundance for that, to a point where Sundance is now a total hero and everyone is counting down the days till the next MLG event. They actually improved.

NASL on the other hand has a history of fuck-ups, not accepting responsibility for them, utterly terrible PR, and a general air of 'what are you whining about, this is only our first season, we are allowed to deliver a sub-par product'. That doesn't get you much credit with your fans/consumers.
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 22:23:47
August 14 2011 22:23 GMT
#419
On the next episode: Mr. Chae finds out that Xeris is sleeping with his wife, Coach Lee transforms TSL into a male escort service, and FXO reveals that the head of SC2CON is none other than the lovechild of Artosis and Kim Jong il!

Stay tuned
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
macil222
Profile Joined August 2011
United States113 Posts
August 14 2011 22:27 GMT
#420
On August 15 2011 07:16 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:37 Slider954 wrote:
On August 15 2011 06:30 Barolt wrote:
NASL receives 'undue hate' because they air their dirty laundry in public every time. Look at organizations like MLG and GSL. How often do you see drama in here with regards to them? That's why I see NASL as a second class league. Even when MLG Dallas was a terrible experience, they gave away free HD, and they catered to their customer as much as possible to try to clean up their reputation.


Using MLG Dallas defeats your own argument because after that fiasco, Sundance came out in public and aired all the 'dirty laundry' regarding what had happened. He explained exactly what the problems were, what caused them and what they were going to do to rectify it. He was very transparent with the fans. Sometimes the laundry needs to be aired out completely, its the only way it will get cleaned.


You can do that if you place the blame squarely on yourself, which is what they did after Dallas. If you recall, Sundance himself was ridiculed to pieces on these same forums when he suggested that people should buy more t-shirts in order to get a decent SC2 competition going.

Then after Dallas, MLG came clean, placed the blame squarely on themselves, compensated everyone that had paid up to that point, and pretty much everyone came to respect MLG and Sundance for that, to a point where Sundance is now a total hero and everyone is counting down the days till the next MLG event. They actually improved.

NASL on the other hand has a history of fuck-ups, not accepting responsibility for them, utterly terrible PR, and a general air of 'what are you whining about, this is only our first season, we are allowed to deliver a sub-par product'. That doesn't get you much credit with your fans/consumers.


Why do people keep bringing up NASL's poor production from first season?

So they had poor production and technical problems so that means its ok to sign a contract and then bail out over a week later?
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