EPTPlayXP article on NASL, S2CON situation - Page 11
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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BaLoO-
France318 Posts
We'll probably never know the truth, but I fear that the SC2Con already took the power over the whole SC2 in Korea ... | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:41 sandyph wrote: one non-reschedule-able game at early morning per week, not late night. we're talking about 4-5am here what if there's a GSL qualifier or code A/S match the next day ? Im sure they would rather forfeit the NASL match which then will caused their deposit money to be reduced for penalty and like I said before, they all probably just want to do a Puma and just play on the open tournament instead for the same chance and less hassle After the debacle, I doubt NASL is going to allow any Koreans from these teams to participate in the open tournament. And while NASL's scheduling is far from ideal, as they've been told such by many, the demands presented to NASL do not appear to include issues with scheduling. Moreover, it seems that a number of Koreans tried to apply for the league's second season even knowing that the scheduling hasn't changed. If they did so with the intent of then threatening to pull out unless NASL catered to their demands, then that's pretty shitty conduct, imo. NASL made it plain early on that if you can't meet the requirements, then don't apply. Applying and then pulling out messes up the league for everyone else and isn't professional conduct. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:48 Xeris wrote: The thing is, there's no real story. These are facts * Contracts were signed July 26th that Koreans agreed to play in NASL. * August 4th, Mr.Chae says "Koreans have some demands" * August 5th I answer their demands with our offer * August 7th to reinforce, I have that offer letter translated into Korean and sent * August 8th Koreans show up to play Day 1 of NASL * August 9th Mr Chae says "Koreans are leaving NASL" This entire thing has now been so blown out of proportion that people are forgetting what actually happened. It seems to me now that there were a lot of underlying problems aside from the 3 concerns originally presented to me. That's FINE, but it doesn't change the fact that the Koreans left the league in a very untimely manner. But really, this situation shouldn't be any more than this... but it's turning into something huge for some reason. what's the point of a contract if you can't enforce it? why didn't you guys just require the security deposit upfront? seems like they can just get away doing what they feel like. while it might not be quite ethical, hey that's business, and they are going to do it if they can. looks like you guys had no real leverage. maybe if you had 500 dollars from each of the korean players, then you guys can do some real negotiation. | ||
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Invoker
Belgium686 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:54 BaLoO- wrote: This is very very strange to be honest. I don't get why the NASL staff would have made such a statement if it was baseless, give a justification for korean teams to leave ? Telling the truth would have been more or less the same ... And they would certainly not have continued further after a first lie proven wrong ... I also don't get why players like sC who played a full tournament to be in the next season would have changed their minds, furthermore after the finals which went pretty well for the koreans. We'll probably never know the truth, but I fear that the SC2Con already took the power over the whole SC2 in Korea ... You clearly have not read very much of the various threads here because 1) Xeris wasn't "lying", there was simply a miscommunication issue, and 2) SC2Con wasn't exerting control over the Korean teams. Basically your entire post has already been debunked. | ||
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lurked
Canada918 Posts
Now if we could at least get the world to know we aren't just a bunch of drama queens... But seriously, I'm starting to simply let this bullshit on the side, and then read the results, instead of reading misinformation released from a single side at the time.... | ||
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Mercury-
Great Britain804 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:07 SkyTheUnknown wrote: just look at PuMa and how much prizemoney he won with a single tournament. i really can't understand why even a single korean sc2 pro would refuse to participate at nasl without clear reasons like GSL Code S or A. @imres: your idea with the koreans planning to qualify in the open tournament makes sense. well if that's so it's NASLs fault for having a system which does not make it desireable to participate in the pre finals season. maybe they should make some modifications there. just look at poor ret with his awesome pre season performance and then having to play against puma. they have to change the seeding system to make it fair. Well if you look at Puma you can also see the #1 reason the Korean teams don't want to cooperate with the NASL anymore. | ||
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dapanman
United States316 Posts
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
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t3tsubo
Canada682 Posts
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thanhbao86
Canada199 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:56 Doodsmack wrote: After all this, as well as the EG/Puma issue, I would hope the TL community has learned its lesson about bringing out the pitchforks before hearing both sides of the story. Given the obvious communication issues between Korea and the west, I would hope TL mods do something to mitigate the impact of any future threads similar to Milkis's post on the EG/Puma issue and NASL's post on the present issue. What do you suggest they do then ? You realize TL is a community site right (forum) ? Everyone can post what they want. You suggest mods should check every single new post before allow them to be posted (your posts included and I would love to see your reactions when you know mods block your posts). Is that system really the system that you want, ask yourself that question. Please think before posting, dont just say stuffs like I want ABC without giving real good solutions because those posts are not contributing they are just demanding and we dont want that. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:00 Mercury- wrote: Well if you look at Puma you can also see the #1 reason the Korean teams don't want to cooperate with the NASL anymore. yes NASL was completely at fault for EG signing Puma | ||
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TriZen
England219 Posts
Wait for the FXO information to come out, when the SC2Con tried to tell them what to do. It's all a mess, starcraft doesn't need these stupid organisations acting as "leaders". Look at any sport, they all just mess it up more: FIFA, UEFA. ESPORTS doesn't need this drama. TL should ban it from being discussed ¬.¬. Next we'll have starcraft newspapers with pictures of hot_bid sneaking out of a hotel at 2am. | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
Its unacceptable that all the korean teams all of a sudden don't want to participate AFTER qualifying for the NASL. Its also really strange that the NASL was negotiating terms for bringing koreans to the final... who were they talking to? They weren't talking to each individual team, were they? If they weren't, then how is this any different from a collective decision by SC2con? | ||
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Mercury-
Great Britain804 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:06 udgnim wrote: Yeah it was just a coincidence InControl was involved a lot with NASL and Puma joined his team.yes NASL was completely at fault for EG signing Puma | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:00 Mercury- wrote: Well if you look at Puma you can also see the #1 reason the Korean teams don't want to cooperate with the NASL anymore. It is legitimate to not want to play in NASL. Not every league/tournament is supposed to be for everyone, and each player/team must make its own choice as to whether to participate. And since NASL is a NA league, it isn't particularly favorable to KR players. I think this was understood even in the very beginning when people were questioning whether KR players would want to participate given NASL's format. What gets me about the conduct from the Korean teams is that they applied, signed contracts, and then pulled out as the last minute after negotiations failed. Their demands, if Xeris is correct, weren't even delivered until a few days before the tournament began. This reeks of extortion - ie "now that we've got you by the balls, we're going to demand that you do X Y and Z or risk flunking the entire league." If it's a simple issue of mis-communication, that's one thing, but given the conduct of sc2con (which is supposed to represent the Korean teams) in the last few weeks, it wouldn't surprise me if it was deliberate. | ||
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BaLoO-
France318 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:59 Doodsmack wrote: You clearly have not read very much of the various threads here because 1) Xeris wasn't "lying", there was simply a miscommunication issue, and 2) SC2Con wasn't exerting control over the Korean teams. Basically your entire post has already been debunked. I didn't say they were lying, and I didn't say SC2Con was exerting control. I said I wouldn't see the point for the NASL staff to tell something wrong (i.e. lie), which is the case if they never had any contact with the MVP team and someone related to sC. Yes it is possible that someone said they were these representatives but weren't, but it is in no way more likely than another explication. Second, i said I feared that the SC2Con could make pressure, I've nothing to argue on it beside some strange facts, so I just gave a possibility which is absolutely not "debunked" by someone who didn't even read what I wrote. And after my post, you can read all other posts pointing others strange things. There is miscommunication, and there is tricky things. Once again, we'll probably never know the truth, but that's kinda worrying. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:06 TriZen wrote: SC2Con doesn't need to have 'official communication' with NASL. They just tell the teams how to act, therefore the SC2CON is indeed the reason.. They hide by saying they don't talk to NASL yet they talk to the teams about what they can and can't do. Wait for the FXO information to come out, when the SC2Con tried to tell them what to do. It's all a mess, starcraft doesn't need these stupid organisations acting as "leaders". Look at any sport, they all just mess it up more: FIFA, UEFA. ESPORTS doesn't need this drama. TL should ban it from being discussed ¬.¬. Next we'll have starcraft newspapers with pictures of hot_bid sneaking out of a hotel at 2am. Someone needed to be photobombed. It was justified. Please don't make drama out of that fact  | ||
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