EPTPlayXP article on NASL, S2CON situation - Page 10
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:24 Xeris wrote: The problem is: nobody directly involved in this situation is actually talking to me. I have repeatedly contacted those in Korea that I know and nobody: a) knows who is directly behind Koreans withdrawing, b) responds to me with anything specific. I have to rely on 3rd party information continuously because nobody actually bothers to contact me. Every Korean team has my contact info, and they can easily email, skype, or MSN msg me at any time, but they don't. I hear things through other people, and some of it turns out to be mis information, and some of it is accurate. Either way, I'm just going to stay silent on the issue until I hear from someone official. This whole situation has gone on MUCH farther than intended. The fact of the matter is: Koreans didn't want to play NASL anymore, and they withdrew, and now we're going to replace them and continue with the Season. They told me very last minute, so it had to delay the season. That's all. This is becoming way too dramatic Well that's what I'm saying. I'm not having a go at NASL, but I do think that for you, for the teams, for your future interaction with those teams if not in season 2, you guys need to clear this up. Like I said, I truly believe there is a degree of pressuring involved and perhaps even lying and misinformation spread about your league to make you look bad in Korea. Some people did admit to being pressured into not participating. And after what I've heard from how at least some people act in SC2Con, that would be best-case scenario. I really think it's important for you or whoever is in charge to get to the bottom of who's involved and talk to those people. (the fact that you can't even find who's involved is very telling, and sadly unfortunate, but nevertheless an obstacle that needs to be overcome). Needless to say, someone has been really screwing with everyone...with the Korean players and their managers, with you...and it needs to be resolved, because right now, nobody is getting anything positive out of this. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
I don't even know what the hell to belive anymore | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:29 sandyph wrote: a guaranteed $400 over 5 months period ? thats even less than 3rd word country minimum wage (my home country for example where the minimum wage is $100 per month) Team would prefer to focus their player effort elsewhere, heck even the code A give $180 if you lost in the first round. 5 months losing in code A first round already netted you $900, more than twice what NASL give its all about priority since player cant do everything at once, and NASL looks to have dropped to the bottom of the list for Korean team, money wise Code A = you play for $180 if you are planning on losing immediately. But that lasts an entire month. Look at NASL. You play 1 game a week (an hour a week) where you can get practice playing meaningful matches, you get practice playing foreigners, and you increase your fan base. You pretty much lose nothing by doing this. The actual live event is one weekend, and this is where you get your $400. But even more than that, you will attract sponsors, you will attract a shit ton of fans, and the competition is arguable worse than the GSL. So your chances of winning a shit ton of money is actually high. It really is a no brainer. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
So who the fuck has NASL been dealing with and why cant they just get a straight line of communication with the teams. Only slayers seemed to be upfront about not playing in season 2 and thats probably because slayers_jessica is doing her job as a manager and actually communicating with NASL. And guess what! They arent part of sc2con!! Now after the fxo story of choya being harassed by someone related to sc2con but not a representative of sc2con(wtf?) and that person not being willing to negotiate directly with fxoboss (who is the owner of fou/fxo) I can see that everything is just a huge clusterfuck in korea. The whole scene needs to get more organised and professional instead of backing out of contracts and poor attempts of negotiation. You would think that puma would be the wakeup slap they needed to professionalise the scene but they havent learnt anything! Rather sc2con kicked out TSL(unrelated to puma), then said they were wrong/sorry and had the supposed leader step down. And then said it was up to the teams to discipline their players leaving fd and tester unpunished for lying to sc2con and their current manager out of his sc2con position. Wtf. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
I see TL as almost like ESPN...a journalistic source of information. There is something messy going on here, nothing makes sense, and it should come to light. At the very least, you can get to the bottom of who called the decisions, so that NASL can talk to those people. Like I said, this is bad for everyone. The Koreans aren't benefiting, and neither is NASL. It doesn't make sense to do this, so to allow it to keep happening is a shame. | ||
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ThaTiger
Denmark55 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:36 sandyph wrote: American and European dont seems to understand that its more expensive to travel from Asia to Europe/NA compared to travels between Europe-NA you need to book weeks and even months in advance to get a good price, unless you take those flight that stop over somewhere in the Middle East for hours which can turn 12 hours flight into 20+ hours Why do people believe it's about travel expenses?? What about the players that have sponsors like SK, Col and FXO? they dont have to pay anything and still wont play in it. There must be another reason they wont play | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:34 Maenander wrote: A lot of the players in korean teams earn nothing in prize money over a period of 5 months, and 1 game a week late at night won't really occupy them full time. I fully understand that some of the top players don't want to bother with NASL, but for most korean pro-players this is a golden opportunity. They play the game every day anyway. It just doesn't make sense. one non-reschedule-able game at early morning per week, not late night. we're talking about 4-5am here what if there's a GSL qualifier or code A/S match the next day ? Im sure they would rather forfeit the NASL match which then will caused their deposit money to be reduced for penalty and like I said before, they all probably just want to do a Puma and just play on the open tournament instead for the same chance and less hassle | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:40 whateverpeeps wrote: Also I want to make a plea to TL people to maybe start investigating this too, if not already being done. I see TL as almost like ESPN...a journalistic source of information. There is something messy going on here, nothing makes sense, and it should come to light. At the very least, you can get to the bottom of who called the decisions, so that NASL can talk to those people. Like I said, this is bad for everyone. The Koreans aren't benefiting, and neither is NASL. It doesn't make sense to do this, so to allow it to keep happening is a shame. Let's all chip in so we can fly Milkis to Korea! He's arguably the most suited journalist. | ||
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firrae
Canada68 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
The people who are losing out in the end are the players and the fans. Sucks. I hope this can be figured out. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:40 ThaTiger wrote: Why do people believe it's about travel expenses?? What about the players that have sponsors like SK, Col and FXO? they dont have to pay anything and still wont play in it. There must be another reason they wont play I agree that there's other reasons too but I would say travel expenses is one of the major factor for most teams, which don't have sponsors. And I also agree with the post above me, it seems Korean want to try their hands on the Open Tournament instead, because it is less of a long commitment, and they still get the chance to play in the grand final. | ||
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Molkovien
Denmark59 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:41 sandyph wrote: one non-reschedule-able game at early morning per week, not late night. we're talking about 4-5am here what if there's a GSL qualifier or code A/S match the next day ? Im sure they would rather forfeit the NASL match which then will caused their deposit money to be reduced for penalty and like I said before, they all probably just want to do a Puma and just play on the open tournament instead for the same chance and less hassle They changed it to 2 am in the morning for season 2 as far as I know, still ridiculous I admit but not impossible. And I am pretty sure NASL allows for rescheduling if there is an actual scheduling conflict with GSL, they did so for Nada iirc. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:03 AlBundy wrote: You don't make sense. GOMTV has nothing to do with this whole mess. Your behavior does not compute. you're free to have a relationship if you want. i know the ever-benevolent, amazing, and entertaining Martha, is not like every other girl ive dated, but she's the closest in likeness (and whom i can avoid) since she's a member of the opposite sex. i know it won't mean much but if plenty of people boycott women, they will understand that people dont want their bullshit drama--- just good times not everyone is responsible with what has happened, or with how you feel but GSL in particular is an individual league. you could at least support the player you cheer for by watching their games | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:39 mprs wrote: Code A = you play for $180 if you are planning on losing immediately. But that lasts an entire month. Look at NASL. You play 1 game a week (an hour a week) where you can get practice playing meaningful matches, you get practice playing foreigners, and you increase your fan base. You pretty much lose nothing by doing this. The actual live event is one weekend, and this is where you get your $400. But even more than that, you will attract sponsors, you will attract a shit ton of fans, and the competition is arguable worse than the GSL. So your chances of winning a shit ton of money is actually high. It really is a no brainer. have you seen the NASL season 2 rooster before the Korean left ? the only way its arguably worst than GSL is that Nestea isnt there, otherwise its as stacked as code S and playing in latency is not a good practice condition since it will screw your timing when you play on normal LAN (GSL) | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
It's VERY VERY fishy that the person who INSTIGATED this mess, is unwilling to reveal themselves, EVEN TO NASL. Koreans, get a wake up call. Whoever you are listening to doesn't seem to be interested in negotiating in your favor...or negotiating at all. I don't know what it's like in Korea, but I would be very suspicious of trusting a person/people who are unwilling to risk face. TALK TO NASL DIRECTLY. NASL, I don't know what to tell you except keep digging. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
* Contracts were signed July 26th that Koreans agreed to play in NASL. * August 4th, Mr.Chae says "Koreans have some demands" * August 5th I answer their demands with our offer * August 7th to reinforce, I have that offer letter translated into Korean and sent * August 8th Koreans show up to play Day 1 of NASL * August 9th Mr Chae says "Koreans are leaving NASL" This entire thing has now been so blown out of proportion that people are forgetting what actually happened. It seems to me now that there were a lot of underlying problems aside from the 3 concerns originally presented to me. That's FINE, but it doesn't change the fact that the Koreans left the league in a very untimely manner. But really, this situation shouldn't be any more than this... but it's turning into something huge for some reason. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:45 Molkovien wrote: Why doesn't NASL just pay setup hotel reservations for the players themselves. Could prolly get a bulk discount. And also pay the travel expenses in full, It makes no sense to me. IIRC they did this for season 1 and changed it for season 2 to the $1000+$1000 scheme which is one of the reason the Korean arent coming (among others undisclosed ones) | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:25 taLbuk wrote: Both sides are clearly confused they quote NASL from two different replies and claim it is the same? NASL though it was S2con but it wasn't but it is the same teams that are part of s2con but not using s2con as the official channel of width drawl? Why not? No they didn't quote from two different replies. No they are not the same teams that are part of s2con. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong in korean teams, some in s2con some not, not using s2con as the official channel. The playxp article also has NOTHING to do with the original fact the koreans left the tournament after it started and contracts were signed anyways, they try diverge to the fact that NASL was calling "them" (the teams involved) s2con instead of individual teams not acting through s2con, and they try to act like its a huge deal and nasl is plotting against s2con? First of all, PlayXP article is not about Korean team's withdrawal from NASL so yeah it has nothing to do with it. Second, it does matter that NASL mistakenly used S2CON's name. For someone who is very much concerned about contracts, you don't seem to mind libel all that much. Third, neither S2CON's statement nor PlayXP article accuse NASL of having any malicious intent. | ||
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