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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:57 BronzeKnee wrote: So individually all the Koreans decided to pass up on the chance to win huge money? Something isn't right here. Yeah, this doesn't make any sense, the offer from NASL seems to be fair. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:01 Kurr wrote: You're free to watch them if you want. I know GSL isn't SC2Con but it's the closest thing I can avoid since all their players are there. I know it won't mean much but if plenty of people boycott them, they will understand that people don't want their bullshit drama, just good games. Currently they've the only valuable Terran players except Thorzain's TvP and TvT, the only zerg who understands ZvZ enough to get an insane ZvZ ratio, the only P who get some results against Z... Yeah foreigner provide good games in what, PvP, TvT, ZvP... Cool... | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:03 AlBundy wrote: You don't make sense. GOMTV has nothing to do with this whole mess. Your behavior does not compute. He says he doesn`t want drama yet tries to create one by making it a big deal and boycotting GOMTV for no apparent reason lol. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:03 Maenander wrote: Yeah, this doesn't make any sense, the offer from NASL seems to be fair. cant see what's fair about spending $1000+ out of your pocket to attend tournament where you can get knocked after 2 games its not for everybody, and look absolutely not for the Korean | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:03 Maenander wrote: Yeah, this doesn't make any sense, the offer from NASL seems to be fair. No. The season is too long, too useless, it's just easier for them (I bet they will) to just try their chance in the open tournament. Basically if they do that the one who'll win the open tournament has a good chance to gain 50k without putting too much efforts. | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
i really can't understand why even a single korean sc2 pro would refuse to participate at nasl without clear reasons like GSL Code S or A. @imres: your idea with the koreans planning to qualify in the open tournament makes sense. well if that's so it's NASLs fault for having a system which does not make it desireable to participate in the pre finals season. maybe they should make some modifications there. just look at poor ret with his awesome pre season performance and then having to play against puma. they have to change the seeding system to make it fair. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:06 sandyph wrote: cant see what's fair about spending $1000+ out of your pocket to attend tournament where you can get knocked after 2 games its not for everybody, and look absolutely not for the Korean Did you even follow the discussion? Read the offer from NASL in season 2 again. Here, I did it for you: We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). | ||
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reneg
United States859 Posts
Sure, sc2con might not have barred all the teams from participating, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of korean teams bowed out at the last second, and FXOboss pulled FXO from sc2con. He seems like a reasonable man, and i'm not going to second guess his judgement. Edit: On August 15 2011 01:07 Imres wrote: No. The season is too long, too useless, it's just easier for them (I bet they will) to just try their chance in the open tournament. Basically if they do that the one who'll win the open tournament has a good chance to gain 50k without putting too much efforts. As much as i hate to say it, i'd rather see them do away with the open tournament style, to keep teams from just throwing a bunch of guys in at the end to try to win it. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:07 SkyTheUnknown wrote: just look at PuMa and how much prizemoney he won with a single tournament. i really can't understand why even a single korean sc2 pro would refuse to participate at nasl without clear reasons like GSL Code S or A. Did you see the amount of koreans in NASL2 compared to the first one? The level of competition wasn`t exactly going to be the same and as easy because of all the koreans who qualified through the qualifiers. You should add more context. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:06 sandyph wrote: cant see what's fair about spending $1000+ out of your pocket to attend tournament where you can get knocked after 2 games its not for everybody, and look absolutely not for the Korean What and everyone else in the tourney has to pay for their own trip? That is unfair to the players from Europe who have to take flights to the States with their own money, and the Korean players get paid to come over to the States like you want. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:08 reneg wrote: Well, at this point, i'm going to support NASL in their endeavor, since they seem to be the only ones providing receipts etc, to back up that they made all the claims. Sure, sc2con might not have barred all the teams from participating, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of korean teams bowed out at the last second, and FXOboss pulled FXO from sc2con. He seems like a reasonable man, and i'm not going to second guess his judgement. FXOBoSs pulled out because of korean business approach, not because of this NASL drama... Edit: The Open tournament seems so obvious to me, there will be little competition if a top Korean wins, it, Sen, and ? | ||
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:10 Kieofire wrote: What and everyone else in the tourney has to pay for their own trip? That is would unfair to the players from Europe who have to take flights to the States with their own money, and the Korean players get paid to come over to the States like you want. But NASL provides a traveling stipend to help you cover. and are willing to pay for you, just by using some of the money you take in winnings. You get basically a free trip to another country, you just have to come home with a little less EXTRA money. Personally, i'd jump all over that opportunity, but i guess i have different priorities Edit: On August 15 2011 01:11 Imres wrote: You try to be dumb or you're dumb? FXOBoSs pulled out because of korean business approach, not because of this NASL drama... No....I didn't mean to imply that he took them out b/c of NASL. I meant he took them out, i don't see any additional reason to look at them as a favorable organization. That's all. | ||
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
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EnOmy
Australia183 Posts
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
I really wouldn't be surprised if certain team managers, or sc2con, have been pressuring and lying to the other teams to get them to not participate either. Likewise, I really don't think NASL understands what the problem truly is. This is the kind of negotiations that you don't go through 3rd and 4th parties. NASL didn't even know who they were talking to, and how could the teams then know what NASL was saying, since they barred contact and let someone else do the talking for them? Get together, in a room, and talk this out. I really don't think this is a wise decision for either the players nor NASL, so it would be in both of their best interest to participate. But communication seems to have been terrible. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:08 Maenander wrote: Did you even follow the discussion? Read the offer from NASL in season 2 again. did you read it ? NASL offer to give $1000 for transport & accommodation and to give $1000 prize even if you lose 1st round so the money team need to forked out up front are : $500 deposit + ~$500-600 for transport & accommodation (after substracting the $1000 that NASL gave) so that $1100 up front then 60 days later they will get their $500 deposit back and the $1000 prize so after 5 months they will get $400 at worst case scenario yeah, not for everybody | ||
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nGBeast
United States914 Posts
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:11 reneg wrote: Edit: No....I didn't mean to imply that he took them out b/c of NASL. I meant he took them out, i don't see any additional reason to look at them as a favorable organization. That's all. It's just a cultural thing, a bit shady but just that. You don't have the same business approach in different countries, and imo FXOBoSs reacted perfectly, retiring + transparency, and that's what westerners are looking for. | ||
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