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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:44 zev318 wrote: i trust oral contracts as much as leaving a bucket of fried chicken in a room with oprah If you have the way to prove them and courts enforce them why not ? EDIT:Not to say that written ones are not better as the crux of the matter is of course proving the oral contract was in fact in place. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:49 mcc wrote: If you have the way to prove them and courts enforce them why not ? If you're going to record all your conversations I guess it works fine. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:51 Myles wrote: If you're going to record all your conversations I guess it works fine. duno about u but i always have a voice recorder on me at all times, even when i sleep so if anyone comes in my room and says something, they are legally bound | ||
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RoyaleBrainSlug
United States295 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:46 enecateReAP wrote: To this critiqing the NASL, I'd like to just remind you that the korean teams JOINED up, they can't just expect everything to be paid for them, thats completely unfair...The people from EU don't get their travel paid for. The korean teams joined the NASL and then left after the season had started. The korean teams are the ones being unreasonable. Wait I thought that the koreans made their move before the deadline. Even if they did it at the last minute, they still made the deadline afaik?! | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:51 Myles wrote: If you're going to record all your conversations I guess it works fine. I always forgot that US citizen sign contracts each time they meet someone, oh, wait ... | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:54 AlBundy wrote: Wait I thought that the koreans made their move before the deadline. Even if they did it at the last minute, they still made the deadline afaik?! No, the NASL was told the Koreans would not be participating after contracts were signed and games had already been played and recorded(not games by the Koreans I assume). | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:55 Myles wrote: No, the NASL was told the Koreans would not be participating after contracts were signed and games had already been played and recorded(not games by the Koreans I assume). No they retract from their contract but they did it at the last minute of the negotiation. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:57 Imres wrote: No they retract from their contract but they did it at the last minute of the negotiation. On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote: In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. | ||
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Azureflames
United States35 Posts
I think this should be posted together. WeMadeFox contract signed July 25th. Prime contracted signed July 26th. oGs contracts signed July 26th. So from the period in which they were signed (July 25-26), it took TEN days for Mr.Chae (not even a person from SC2Con) to tell me that the Korean players had issues. After I responded, it took another FIVE days (August 9th) for Mr.Chae to notify the NASL that Koreans would not play in Season 2. On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote: In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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legaton
France1763 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:52 zev318 wrote: duno about u but i always have a voice recorder on me at all times, even when i sleep so if anyone comes in my room and says something, they are legally bound I really does not work like that and recordings are not required to prove oral contract. Courts are not that stupid and they are not robots and have some discretion. I am no lawyer, but from what I read how it works/worked here some time ago, my impression is that for example : You have two parties and one sold the other something based on oral contract. The second party did not pay. In court if the first party can show that goods were delivered and they have some other evidence of oral contract(witness,request of the buying party to deliver the goods,...) the court might as well decide that the other party has to pay. I have no idea how they determine the amount though. Other real example that I know of is : Parents promised a son that in two years they will write the house on him as the owner. So he made total reconstruction of the house investing a lot and later parents did not actually did as promised. His lawyer told him that it is quite possible to go to court, that witnesses would be good, but even without them there is high possibility that court will decide in his favour as it is clear(he had all the paperwork necessary to prove it) that he invested a lot in that house and it is not feasible he would do so without some kind of compensation. So it would be likely court would at least say that parents have to repay the cost of reconstruction. Basically the point is, courts are not ( always  ) stupid and not everything that appears to be a hole in the law actually is one. Not every small detail of human interactions can be written into the law or into the contract. You often see words like "reasonable", "appropriate" and similar in laws and their interpretation is given by historical usage and by judges thinking about the case and understanding the meaning of the law. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On August 14 2011 23:37 NHY wrote: s2con members: IM, MVP, NSHoSeo, oGs, Prime, StarTale, ZeNEX Korean teams mentioned in NASL's announcement: oGs, StarTale, WeMadeFox, TSL, Prime Korean teams NOT mentioned in NASL's announcement but are not participating in NASL: SlayerS, FXO Korea Total of 7 teams withdraw from NASL. Only 3 of them are in S2CON. I'm not sure what the difference between s2con, sc2Con and SC2 Committee is, if there is any, and where a list of their respective members can be found. But as far as I'm concerned (and if they are indeed the same group) then your post appears to be incorrect. How else do you explain that TSL had recently been expelled from sc2CON only to see that ban overturned, leaving them as part of that group, and the issue of FXO's recent departure from that group, which has not yet come to a conclusion either? For both teams to leave this group both teams have to be part of it first. TSL is now part of it again and the issue with FXO isn't finished yet either. So your list should read s2con members: IM, MVP, NSHoSeo, oGs, Prime, StarTale, ZeNEX, TSL, FXO (possibly) Korean teams mentioned in NASL's announcement: oGs, StarTale, WeMadeFox, TSL, Prime Korean teams NOT mentioned in NASL's announcement but are not participating in NASL: SlayerS, FXO Korea Total of 7 teams withdraw from NASL. Only | ||
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faruq
United Arab Emirates116 Posts
in other words sc2con did nothing and got blamed for a crime they didnt commit and the korean teams just did not want to deal with NASL if NASL was so fucked up after the incontrol fiasco, this will totally make it FUBAR and obliterate it in the entire SC2 map! | ||
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Drlemur
United States153 Posts
NASL hasn't always given the best impression of professionalism and posting their announcement here blaming "SC2con" and then having to admit later there was no SC2con involvement (just teams & Mr. Chae from the GSL) looks a bit odd. Xeris saying he hasn't been able to get in touch with the team managers is also odd. If you are trying to run a major league, seems like you should be in regular contact with all the team managers by skype/phone (not just email). I'm going to guess there is something else in the NASL contract that is putting the Korean teams off. Maybe something about contingencies if the league goes bankrupt? Maybe excessive fines for missing matches or disclosing results before broadcast? Refusal to guarantee that the NASL finals won't overlap with a major GSL event or even disrupt sleep schedules prior to GSL matches? If sC from FXO isn't participating, it isn't about travel support or paying the deposit. They have the sponsorship to cover costs and sC is good enough to win it all. Very odd. Maybe it's just at trust issue. The players are being asked to make a big commitment to months of play and if they don't trust the organization running the league... | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:15 enzym wrote: I'm not sure what the difference between s2con and sc2Con is, if there is any, and where a list of their respective members can be found. But as far as I'm concerned (and if both are the same group) then your post appears to be incorrect. How else do you explain that TSL had recently been expelled from sc2CON only to see that ban overturned, leaving them as part of that group, and the issue of FXO's recent departure from sc2CON, which awaits conclusion as well? For both teams to leave this group both teams have to be part of it first. TSL is now part of it again and the issue with FXO isn't finished yet either. So your list should read They are the same. SC2CON is a misspelling. The list is correct. You can find it at www.s2con.com which is in Korean. Don't be fooled, 'select language' button doesn't do anything. TSL left S2CON and didn't go back, and have no intention of going back. Confirmed by coach Lee. FXO is at the moment not part of S2CON. Confirmed by FXOBoss. Actually, FXO Korea were part of S2CON when other teams decided to withdraw. After NASL's announcement, FXO Korea withdrew from S2CON and NASL (not sure which order). | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:05 Azureflames wrote: I think this should be posted together. + Show Spoiler + WeMadeFox contract signed July 25th. Prime contracted signed July 26th. oGs contracts signed July 26th. So from the period in which they were signed (July 25-26), it took TEN days for Mr.Chae (not even a person from SC2Con) to tell me that the Korean players had issues. After I responded, it took another FIVE days (August 9th) for Mr.Chae to notify the NASL that Koreans would not play in Season 2. About the bold part; I wonder why people are upset about this. I mean, maybe the koreans were actually busy trying to come up with a better solution, to find another way to settle this whole issue. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
Regardless, everybody has to get their shit together. | ||
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