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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
They are terrible for SC2 and they bring drama after drama, then try to wiggle their way out of it. It's been non-stop with them for weeks now. Stop watching their teams/players and they will get the message. Let them do what they want and SC2 will be much worse off in the end. | ||
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King[Neikos]
Costa Rica506 Posts
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:24 Kurr wrote: SC2Con and the Korean scene are incomprehensible. Just ignore them. Stop supporting them in any way (including watching Korean tournaments) until they get their act together. They are terrible for SC2 and they bring drama after drama, then try to wiggle their way out of it. It's been non-stop with them for weeks now. Stop watching their teams/players and they will get the message. Let them do what they want and SC2 will be much worse off in the end. Why watch the worst players/tournaments (no foreigner tournament is close to the GSL in any way) just because you've a cultural link with those ? | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:24 Kurr wrote: SC2Con and the Korean scene are incomprehensible. Just ignore them. Stop supporting them in any way (including watching Korean tournaments) until they get their act together. They are terrible for SC2 and they bring drama after drama, then try to wiggle their way out of it. It's been non-stop with them for weeks now. Stop watching their teams/players and they will get the message. Let them do what they want and SC2 will be much worse off in the end. Were not for the koreans you wouldnt even be playing SC2. Get your shit together and don't say bullshit. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:28 fabiano wrote: Were not for the koreans you wouldnt even be playing SC2. Get your shit together and don't say bullshit. I bought SC2 because it's a blizzard RTS and I've loved all of them in the past (especially custom games). I've played like 10 games in the past year (all 4v4s) and overall I just like watching SC2 more than playing. That has nothing do with this however. This constant drama is what's bullshit. I'll support the foreign scene instead. There is a bit of drama here and there but nothing on this level and never so often. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:31 Kurr wrote: I bought SC2 because it's a blizzard RTS and I've loved all of them in the past (especially custom games). I've played like 10 games in the past year (all 4v4s) and overall I just like watching SC2 more than playing. That has nothing do with this however. This constant drama is what's bullshit. I'll support the foreign scene instead. There is a bit of drama here and there but nothing on this level and never so often. You're serious? The NASL is korean ? | ||
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homeless_guy
United States321 Posts
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
Hmm,what? When did I ever say that? Please quote me. SC2Con is what I'm avoiding IE GSL because that's where all the korean teams are. NASL is void of korean teams now. *EDIT : And the Koreans in NASL have nothing to do with SC2Con hence not a problem. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
And I meant that were not for the success of BW in Korea, there is a high chance that there wouldnt be SC2 at all, so if you are going to offend koreans, at least remember that they are the founders of the SC scene. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On August 14 2011 22:08 Williammm wrote: It was mentioned earlier that the players were made to confirm and sign contracts in late June before the NASL finals when things weren't ironed out yet. Issues about how the players were treated were raised well before the commencement of NASL season 2 and apparently those issues still haven't been addressed yet. Despite the issues, NASL went ahead with production ignoring the requests of the Korean players. Subsequently, the Korean players withdrew because they were left with no choice. Boxer withdrew from season 2 well before this as speculation also points towards what everyone has been saying, that treatment of the players as well as the schedule were too difficult to commit and the prize money wasn't worth the trouble. This. From Korean standpoint, it's just weird. The ss2 qualifier started when ss1 wasn't over yet. At that point of time, the Koreans didn't know how the finals would be, how NASL were going to return the deposit back, and so on. If I were them, I would raise the question too. It's just not how the East does things. Yeah you can say that it's NASL, they can do whatever they want with the rules, but it's not like it's forbidden to the Koreans to withdraw either, so they withdrew, big deal. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:35 Kurr wrote: Hmm,what? When did I ever say that? Please quote me. SC2Con is what I'm avoiding IE GSL because that's where all the korean teams are. NASL is void of korean teams now. *EDIT : And the Koreans in NASL have nothing to do with SC2Con hence not a problem. There is a bit of drama, I wonder, there is as much drama with NASL than with SC2Con, it's why I wonder If xeris/russ are korean citizen now, infiltrating the noble foreigner community. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:35 Kurr wrote: Hmm,what? When did I ever say that? Please quote me. SC2Con is what I'm avoiding IE GSL because that's where all the korean teams are. NASL is void of korean teams now. *EDIT : And the Koreans in NASL have nothing to do with SC2Con hence not a problem. lol you realise sc2con ALSO has nothing to do with GSL. Sc2Con has no power over GSL or any power over what league a player joins. GSL = NASL essentially, neither of them are putting a ban Foreigners/Koreans respectively. If you don't watch gsl, you also not supporting players like Thorzain/Naniwa/Huk for flying over there. ATM the korean/foreigner scene are intertwining. You see some korean players in nearly every tournament these days and Jinro/huk and now thorzain/naniwa are repping the foreigners in GSL. You boycotting sc2 is not going to do anything...but HURT ESPORTS EVEN MORE~!!! (sorry couldn't resist =P ) But honestly, boycotting is probably the worse thing that you can do. Honestly, if you didn't click on these drama threads, you wouldn't notice any difference in the GSL or w/e. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:40 canikizu wrote: This. From Korean standpoint, it's just weird. The ss2 qualifier started when ss1 wasn't over yet. At that point of time, the Koreans didn't know how the finals would be, how NASL were going to return the deposit back, and so on. If I were them, I would raise the question too. It's just not how the East does things. Yeah you can say that it's NASL, they can do whatever they want with the rules, but it's not like it's forbidden to the Koreans to withdraw either, so they withdrew, big deal. Unfortunately the mob mentality to attack a side persists in this community with no logic behind it. Can`t believe TL community have grown to be so damn bitchy. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
I have to say though I'm skeptical about this claim from SC2Con/teams. It seems that they're never involved and it's never their fault yet their name always comes up first. They've even made such claims when they blatantly weren't true. As for the players/team, I can't help but feeling there is a degree of peer pressure at this point. I can't help but feel that it has become a NASL vs Korea, thing, and of course, you side with your Korean brothers, not with those awful foreigners. And also, given the nature of complaints that FXO issued, I would not put the management in Korea ABOVE peer-pressure and bad mouthing of NASL so as to encourage the NASL vs Korea view. It makes perfect sense why some teams would withdraw, but not all. Actually, it makes sense for some teams to definitely be in NASL given that other teams have withdrawn, because it's almost sure money. That's why I think there is some degree of peer pressure going on, that perhaps SC2Con is encouraging and that's why their name keeps coming up. Shame that it's like that, but it's a cultural difference and can't be expected to be changed overnight. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5225 Posts
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
Then what difference does it make if the ban was not issued officially? It practically is at that point because these dynamics are important in Korean culture...you can't just rise up against the group easily without feeling guilty and ashamed. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
This is a pretty big deal: Korea is where most of the skill is at. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On August 15 2011 00:54 me_viet wrote: lol you realise sc2con ALSO has nothing to do with GSL. Sc2Con has no power over GSL or any power over what league a player joins. GSL = NASL essentially, neither of them are putting a ban Foreigners/Koreans respectively. If you don't watch gsl, you also not supporting players like Thorzain/Naniwa/Huk for flying over there. ATM the korean/foreigner scene are intertwining. You see some korean players in nearly every tournament these days and Jinro/huk and now thorzain/naniwa are repping the foreigners in GSL. You boycotting sc2 is not going to do anything...but HURT ESPORTS EVEN MORE~!!! (sorry couldn't resist =P ) But honestly, boycotting is probably the worse thing that you can do. Honestly, if you didn't click on these drama threads, you wouldn't notice any difference in the GSL or w/e. You're free to watch them if you want. I know GSL isn't SC2Con but it's the closest thing I can avoid since all their players are there. I know it won't mean much but if plenty of people boycott them, they will understand that people don't want their bullshit drama, just good games. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On August 14 2011 22:01 flakmonkey wrote: sC didn't wish to participate in NASL? That doesn't make any sense to me. Why would he attempt to qualify for the tournament in the first place? Either he was told by his team or maybe told by his team/sc2con/friends/some guy to change his mind that his offical statement is that he doesn't want to participate. I don't know just a clue, this is pure theoretical. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:01 Kurr wrote: You're free to watch them if you want. I know GSL isn't SC2Con but it's the closest thing I can avoid since all their players are there. I know it won't mean much but if plenty of people boycott them, they will understand that people don't want their bullshit drama, just good games. You don't make sense. GOMTV has nothing to do with this whole mess. Your behavior does not compute. | ||
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