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On July 22 2011 12:48 VeryAverage wrote:
I know the whole "hurting eSports" thing is overplayed to death, but seriously, this really is.
The best players are in Korea (look how much Huk improved from practicing there). The hardest competition is in Korea. Therefore, the best players should stay in Korea. Yeah, having a foreign scene is cool, but Korea has proven that they will stick with it for years and years, while this foreign scene could be a flash in the pan for all we know.
I hope we don't just start buying up people so we can kill the small and fragile SC2 scene there.
Yet the korean scene barely survives. Why? Because they have bad business sense, it was a foolish decision for one league to own all the rights to SC2 in korea.
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Well tsl just earnt my respect a lot more, clide and sangho wow.
(insert joke about how EG isnt fairly represented in this OP and reply)
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On July 22 2011 12:46 lazyfeet wrote:
Very few professional Korean SC2 players currently “enjoy” playing Starcraft 2 due to the small fan base. This needs to be solved in order for Starcraft 2 to flourish as an e-sport.
Is this true?
Hmm I don't like this. Just because SC2 isn't very popular in Korea does not mean it is not flourishing as an e-sport.
Pretty much what I get from this is Korean players want to be playing in front of their fans, the who can blame them for wanting to play for foreign teams?
Everyone wants to talk about loyalty and culture, where is it from the Korean fans? I know where it is, stuck in broodwar.
As great a game as it may be, SC2 is the future of e-sports. Korea can either be apart of that, or be left behind as the west was with BW
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Excuse my ignorance if this was common knowledge, but I am really concerned about a lot of the things he said about the Korean SC2 scene. It sounds like its pretty hard times and especially the comment about how Pro-SC2 players don't enjoy playing SC2 due to the small fan-base. I mean I've been kind of waiting for the Korean SC2 scene to take steps towards what BW has accomplished but I guess its just taking more time than I expected. I mean yeah its only been a year, but since a lot of the infrastructure was already in place from BW I guess I expected it to happen quicker? I don't know, its concerning to me.
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On July 22 2011 12:54 Jetsfan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:46 lazyfeet wrote:
Very few professional Korean SC2 players currently “enjoy” playing Starcraft 2 due to the small fan base. This needs to be solved in order for Starcraft 2 to flourish as an e-sport.
Is this true? Hmm I don't like this. Just because SC2 isn't very popular in Korea does not mean it is not flourishing as an e-sport. Pretty much what I get from this is Korean players want to be playing in front of their fans, the who can blame them for wanting to play for foreign teams? Everyone wants to talk about loyalty and culture, where is it from the Korean fans?
Their loyalty rests in BW.
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Clide/Killer/SangHo just shot up in my books. I respect them and their decision. It really sounds like the coach is having a rough time atm, and hopefully he can get out of it quickly. It would be sad to see another team dissolve.
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I've always been a fan of Coach Lee and TSL. Much respect to Clide and Sangho for refusing the offers and also making sacrifices for the better of the team. That's awesome
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Its okay we still have CLIIIIIIIIDEEEE!
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Clide and SangHo are truly honorable and deserve praise from everyone. What they did was amazing.
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Very good report. Mr. Lee seems like a stand-up guy, but the problem is that this is the nature of pro sports. Contracts are needed and/or some kind of governing body. Apart from that, in the end, no matter how this went down, it was Puma's decision and you have to respect that as long as ntohing illegal went down.
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The more I read what Lee says the more blame I put on him, both for no contracts and the drama that has ensued. In the interview, he says he warned Puma about the drama that would follow but it seems like Lee is the one throwing out interviews and angry statements that only help create the drama. I understand being angry and feeling betrayed but if he REALLY cared about Puma, he certainly could have helped the situation by handling the behind the scenes stuff behind the scenes. For instance, just give out the news in a simple, factual statement - that Puma has gone to EG. Instead, he gave interviews when he was/is very angry and emotional and it has helped to elevate this situation far beyond what it should have been.
I also think EG is at fault so it's certainly not all on Lee - far from it. I have heard Lee is a great guy so I feel bad for him, just wish he would have handled it differently, for the sake of Puma who had the guts to talk to him personally and obviously felt a ton of sadness about wanting to leave.
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On July 22 2011 12:57 ch33psh33p wrote:
Clide and SangHo are truly honorable and deserve praise from everyone. What they did was amazing.
agreed. big respect. hope things turn around for those two and as well the team and coach lee
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I love Coach Lee from MBCgame Hero time  I hope his new team gets more success in the future.
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On July 22 2011 12:55 moltenlead wrote:
Clide/Killer/SangHo just shot up in my books. I respect them and their decision. It really sounds like the coach is having a rough time atm, and hopefully he can get out of it quickly. It would be sad to see another team dissolve.
I'd expect many of them to do this (stick to what you know;betterment of the team; etc.); whereas, a select few like Puma would want to broaden their horizons and try something new.
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Much respect to clide and sangho for staying loyal to their team.
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People need to realize how hard it is for SC2 and GOM to get Korea's attention. Brood War competitively wasn't big in the foreign market. SC2 has had an easy time just towering over all the foreign Korean BW fans and making the SC2 leagues the biggest events. In Korea, there are still hundreds of fans who will show up to their favorite player's Brood War game every week.
You can't just come into the United States and try to introduce something like Arena Football and expect it to take over the NFL. It's going to take time, but I think SC2 will continue to get bigger in Korea. If whenever someone like Flash, Bisu or Jaedong switches over, that is thousands of fans now coming or wanting to see those guys play.
I mean, really, to Koreans, seeing the top players like MC, MVP and Nestea dominate SC2 is like watching the minor leagues. Why watch them when you can watch Flash, Jaedong and Bisu? Guys who crushed those guys in Brood War. The loyalty in Korea is all with the stars of Brood War.
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On July 22 2011 12:58 Charger wrote:
The more I read what Lee says the more blame I put on him, both for no contracts and the drama that has ensued. In the interview, he says he warned Puma about the drama that would follow but it seems like Lee is the one throwing out interviews and angry statements that only help create the drama. I understand being angry and feeling betrayed but if he REALLY cared about Puma, he certainly could have helped the situation by handling the behind the scenes stuff behind the scenes. For instance, just give out the news in a simple, factual statement - that Puma has gone to EG. Instead, he gave interviews when he was/is very angry and emotional and it has helped to elevate this situation far beyond what it should have been.
I also think EG is at fault so it's certainly not all on Lee - far from it. I have heard Lee is a great guy so I feel bad for him, just wish he would have handled it differently, for the sake of Puma who had the guts to talk to him personally and obviously felt a ton of sadness about wanting to leave.
There would have been drama regardless. It goes back to honor and many in Korea would see this as betrayal against one's family. I don't want to say the c-word. Don't make me say it.
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On July 22 2011 12:50 oxxo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:41 Vinx wrote:
I may be a just an asshole but when I got to this part "At first, we wanted him on a contract, and so did the other teammates. But we did not feel it was necessary at the time since everyone showed so much passion and commitment. I trusted him, but now I am regretting my decision [to put off the contract] a little bit." I just went... .r u kidding, its the 2011.... that whole part about honor and respect is kinda gone... i'm sad about it too but still know its a reality. Asian and Asian-American culture is very different than Western culture about 'honor and respect' in things like this.
Yeah, definitely, its not just about contracts or anything in Asian cultures, its much more about respect in general. AlexG is quite shady despite playing within the rules, i mean i hate to say it, but IMO this hurts the western organization's reputation, sure you can say that they are all not that shady, but korean organizations are going to label and generalize the western community, and with SangHo and Clide coming out with how they were approached by western organizations, korean teams and organizations are much more likely going to be more tough with their team reguations, force contracts, and most likely more of the Koreans to Western teams will happen much less (or untill contracts expire).
Also, the KoT debate with Milkis and AlexG.... come on Alex. Its almost the same thing as me asking him "hey dude, you like strawberry ice crream?" and him just saying "well i like fruit flavored ice cream".
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On July 22 2011 12:47 SourD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:41 Vinx wrote:
I may be a just an asshole but when I got to this part "At first, we wanted him on a contract, and so did the other teammates. But we did not feel it was necessary at the time since everyone showed so much passion and commitment. I trusted him, but now I am regretting my decision [to put off the contract] a little bit." I just went... .r u kidding, its the 2011.... that whole part about honor and respect is kinda gone... i'm sad about it too but still know its a reality. oh sure...how stupid of coach Lee not to tell everyone to make commitment w/ contract when the sponsors are departing and the team itself is struggle financially....NOT
So why is he upset that Puma left?
I'm sorry, but he admits it himself that he thought of putting Puma under contract crossed his mind before, and yet it didn't happen. If anything he should be upset at himself for thinking everything is just peachy and people never change their minds.
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