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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
July 22 2011 04:03 GMT
#61
CLIIIIIIIDE. Serious increase in respect for those two guys; such gentlemanly veterans. It'd be nice to see TSL continue the bit of success they're brewing atm. Aren't they doing well in GSTL? Even after losing three major players now, I feel like SangHo Clide Revival and Alive surely isn't the worst lineup.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
July 22 2011 04:03 GMT
#62
On July 22 2011 12:54 Rasun wrote:
Excuse my ignorance if this was common knowledge, but I am really concerned about a lot of the things he said about the Korean SC2 scene. It sounds like its pretty hard times and especially the comment about how Pro-SC2 players don't enjoy playing SC2 due to the small fan-base. I mean I've been kind of waiting for the Korean SC2 scene to take steps towards what BW has accomplished but I guess its just taking more time than I expected. I mean yeah its only been a year, but since a lot of the infrastructure was already in place from BW I guess I expected it to happen quicker? I don't know, its concerning to me.


just wait till September
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MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
July 22 2011 04:03 GMT
#63
Well, after reading this it makes me respect the loyalty some players show as compared to the foreign team, I mean Killer wasn't on contract and declined a team-offer, if IdrA wasn't on contract I'm positive he would of taken another teams contracted offer.

Clide and Killer are two of the most loyal players. I suspect if TSL were to break up, they'd stick together and get picked up by some pretty beastly teams.
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Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
July 22 2011 04:03 GMT
#64
On July 22 2011 12:52 Duravi wrote:
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On July 22 2011 12:49 StyLeD wrote:
EG.....nice on the outside, they seem like normal people, jackasses on the inside. I'm not supporting EG or Puma anymore...

I honestly hope their players get booed at MLG, I dont think they will take anything the community says seriously until their sponsors notice.


It's not the players fault that the management are assholes.

As much I hate EG, and prepared to basically not buy anything that sponsors them in the future.

This is not the fault of InC, Idra, Machine or even Puma. No one is mad that Puma made this decision, people are just not happy how EG does its business.

I sincerely hope all the players in EG the best of luck, while the management gets fired and file bankruptcy.


udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
July 22 2011 04:03 GMT
#65
finally got official confirmation that FD & Tester left because they didn't want to practice a lot although that wasn't a difficult assumption to make
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
July 22 2011 04:04 GMT
#66
Clide best player and most loyal player.

Such a beast.
Snitches get stiches
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 22 2011 04:05 GMT
#67
Big respect to Mama Bear and the rest of TSL. TSL FIGHTING!
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
July 22 2011 04:05 GMT
#68
good to see that puma made the run before it was too late. fruitdealer, trickster, puma and rain are now enjoying good salaries and coaches that can actually keep promises.

I feel sad for the other 6 that are now contracted but oh well it's never too late for coach lee to enhance his management skills.
banelings
blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
July 22 2011 04:05 GMT
#69
Sorry to leave, but I gotta get paid!
Imbak333
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada49 Posts
July 22 2011 04:05 GMT
#70
On July 22 2011 12:48 mols0n wrote:
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On July 22 2011 12:45 Emporio wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:42 mols0n wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:37 Slakter wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:34 Emporio wrote:
Holy crap dude, where's EG's statement in this? Biased as shit.

+ Show Spoiler +
jokes aside, good to see some solid facts when Coach Lee is calmer to clarify his side

They are busy grubbing themselves in moneyz and laughing evily.

No, that wasnt serious. I am also awaiting their statement, will probably be very interesting.


I don't care for EG's statement. They're a bunch of cheaters over there anyways. They poached Complexity from Jason Lake, and now they've done the same, low class organization. I was becoming a Puma fan, but I won't cheer for them while he is on that team


What is the Complexity thing?


It was during the counter-strike 1.6. Complexity's entire Counter-Strike roster was basically poached by EG without any knowledge of Jason Lake


Wow. After all this, I really think less of EG. Lost a lot of my respect
someday
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 22 2011 04:05 GMT
#71
On July 22 2011 13:02 LanTAs wrote:
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On July 22 2011 12:50 oxxo wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:41 Vinx wrote:
I may be a just an asshole but when I got to this part "At first, we wanted him on a contract, and so did the other teammates. But we did not feel it was necessary at the time since everyone showed so much passion and commitment. I trusted him, but now I am regretting my decision [to put off the contract] a little bit." I just went... .r u kidding, its the 2011.... that whole part about honor and respect is kinda gone... i'm sad about it too but still know its a reality.


Asian and Asian-American culture is very different than Western culture about 'honor and respect' in things like this.


Yeah, definitely, its not just about contracts or anything in Asian cultures, its much more about respect in general. AlexG is quite shady despite playing within the rules, i mean i hate to say it, but IMO this hurts the western organization's reputation, sure you can say that they are all not that shady, but korean organizations are going to label and generalize the western community, and with SangHo and Clide coming out with how they were approached by western organizations, korean teams and organizations are much more likely going to be more tough with their team reguations, force contracts, and most likely more of the Koreans to Western teams will happen much less (or untill contracts expire).
Also, the KoT debate with Milkis and AlexG.... come on Alex. Its almost the same thing as me asking him "hey dude, you like strawberry ice crream?" and him just saying "well i like fruit flavored ice cream".

I thought it's been "Hey dude, you like strawberry ice cream?", "If you want to know if I like strawberry ice cream, you see, you have to remember the underlining problem is...... blah blah blah....... So, to answer the question. What's the question again?"
gosu86
Profile Joined June 2011
208 Posts
July 22 2011 04:06 GMT
#72
On July 22 2011 12:53 MrDudeMan wrote:
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On July 22 2011 12:48 VeryAverage wrote:
I know the whole "hurting eSports" thing is overplayed to death, but seriously, this really is.

The best players are in Korea (look how much Huk improved from practicing there). The hardest competition is in Korea. Therefore, the best players should stay in Korea. Yeah, having a foreign scene is cool, but Korea has proven that they will stick with it for years and years, while this foreign scene could be a flash in the pan for all we know.

I hope we don't just start buying up people so we can kill the small and fragile SC2 scene there.


Yet the korean scene barely survives. Why? Because they have bad business sense, it was a foolish decision for one league to own all the rights to SC2 in korea.


so fucking true

in order for korea to really flourish they need more than just gomtv
league vs league? damn crazy
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
July 22 2011 04:06 GMT
#73
On July 22 2011 13:03 Mioraka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:52 Duravi wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:49 StyLeD wrote:
EG.....nice on the outside, they seem like normal people, jackasses on the inside. I'm not supporting EG or Puma anymore...

I honestly hope their players get booed at MLG, I dont think they will take anything the community says seriously until their sponsors notice.



I sincerely hope all the players in EG the best of luck, while the management gets fired and file bankruptcy.




That seems incredibly unlucky for the players of EG.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 22 2011 04:07 GMT
#74
On July 22 2011 13:05 leo23 wrote:
good to see that puma made the run before it was too late. fruitdealer, trickster, puma and rain are now enjoying good salaries and coaches that can actually keep promises.

I feel sad for the other 6 that are now contracted but oh well it's never too late for coach lee to enhance his management skills.


FruitDealer and Trickster left because TSL wanted to become more serious in practicing. Even FruitDealer, who left TSL, called Puma out on his Twitter.

Rain left because he actually has a father who lives in the United States.

Why would you feel bad for the six main players who are getting contracts? Lee is a great coach and has been for a long, long time. Clide and Killer have turned down foreign offers without contracts because they believe in TSL. I find that highly respectable.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 22 2011 04:08 GMT
#75
On July 22 2011 12:46 lazyfeet wrote:
Very few professional Korean SC2 players currently “enjoy” playing Starcraft 2 due to the small fan base. This needs to be solved in order for Starcraft 2 to flourish as an e-sport.

Is this true?


It is no secret that the SC2 korean scene is small in Korea, SC2 is not popular there at all, especially when you compare it with the giant that is BW.

Still, it is good to see another statement from Coach Lee, hopefully this will put somet things to rest.
WriterXiao8~~
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
July 22 2011 04:08 GMT
#76
On July 22 2011 13:03 Duka08 wrote:
CLIIIIIIIDE. Serious increase in respect for those two guys; such gentlemanly veterans. It'd be nice to see TSL continue the bit of success they're brewing atm. Aren't they doing well in GSTL? Even after losing three major players now, I feel like SangHo Clide Revival and Alive surely isn't the worst lineup.


You have to understand, Clide is the man who picked Nestea instead of Huk in the group selection, just to avoid having Jinro and Huk on the same group. Then proceeds to crush the group 2-0.

After that event I'm forever a Clide fan and supporter, not only because he's a good player, but also how fucking nice he is.
Kuub
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada48 Posts
July 22 2011 04:08 GMT
#77
Well this makes me respect the TSL team and entire roster a whole bunch more. Especially Clide and SangHo. Never followed them much in the past, but I'm definitely a fan now.
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
July 22 2011 04:09 GMT
#78
On July 22 2011 12:46 storm44 wrote:
Wow I got so much respect for what Clide and Sangho did, rejecting offers from other teams and not telling the team so the team wouldn't be distracted, and then returning their salary so that their team could rebuild. With this much passion for the team TSL is definitely going to be a beast team again.


I just see chumps. I hope this isn't 'here have my money' thing and they actually negotiated something tangible they get back out of it. Such as, portion of winning, portion of sponsorship money, something to pay back their sacrifice. There is no honour is sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice.
Cartel
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada255 Posts
July 22 2011 04:09 GMT
#79
On July 22 2011 12:42 Backpack wrote:
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On July 22 2011 12:34 GTR wrote:




Please provide us with some more details regarding your decision to release PuMa from the team and PuMa’s decision to join EG (Evil Geniuses).
Shortly after his arrival from the US, PuMa was not himself and was seen frequently sighing for about three days as if he was stressed out. Naturally, I was concerned to see this coming from someone who had just won the NASL. This attitude continued even after we won our GSTL match a few days later. I had never seen this side of PuMa during the one year we were together. Sensing something strange was going on, I asked him repeatedly what was wrong, but he did not give me an answer. But he finally opened up to me the day after the GSTL match about his dilemma. At that point, I felt that he had already made up his mind to leave the team.



After seeing this, how can anybody hold EG responsible for "secretly" approaching Puma? The miscommunication was clearly between Puma and his team.


Um.. yes they approached in secret according to this interview. Puma kept it a secret until later on admitting it. Did you read this interview or....
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 22 2011 04:10 GMT
#80
I'm really glad I was never a TSL fan, otherwise I would be REALLY sad. Nevertheless hearing their struggles is quite sad, and I hope the Korean teams get more support.
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