On July 22 2011 12:46 storm44 wrote: Wow I got so much respect for what Clide and Sangho did, rejecting offers from other teams and not telling the team so the team wouldn't be distracted, and then returning their salary so that their team could rebuild. With this much passion for the team TSL is definitely going to be a beast team again.
I just see chumps. I hope this isn't 'here have my money' thing and they actually negotiated something tangible they get back out of it. Such as, portion of winning, portion of sponsorship money, something to pay back their sacrifice. There is no honour is sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice.
What they get back is the satisfaction that they helped build a team that succeeded and continued to provide opportunities for future gamers. You see chumps, I see reminders of how it was back in Brood War's infancy as an eSport.
jokes aside, good to see some solid facts when Coach Lee is calmer to clarify his side
They are busy grubbing themselves in moneyz and laughing evily.
No, that wasnt serious. I am also awaiting their statement, will probably be very interesting.
Not at all, they're investing it in InControl new get-rich-promote-esports scheme, it's bound to be a huge success and will probably be the best thing to hit esports since sliced bread and player stealing!
I've always been a fan of Coach Lee starting from his time at MBC Game Hero and I think the man is something special. Even though he and his team has been through numerous difficult situations, I truly believe TSL will develop in to the most formidable team in the world.
"Clide has a lot of foreign fans … about 2 to 3 thousand Twitter followers that consists mostly of foreigners."
I couldn't help but laugh a little because we all know why Clide so many fans compared to other Korean Starcraft 2 players, even though he hasn't won a GSL.
"Our team’s mission has always been to promote the growth and popularity of Starcraft 2. We have published video tutorials and training videos for beginners, and so far, our first video received about 20,000 hits. We even purchased HD equipments to provide the viewers with quality content."
I got to do some digging to find these videos, because who wouldn't want to learn from TSL.
I also think Sangho and Clide are very respectable in terms of Starcraft 2 skill and as genuinely nice people.
On July 22 2011 13:05 leo23 wrote: good to see that puma made the run before it was too late. fruitdealer, trickster, puma and rain are now enjoying good salaries and coaches that can actually keep promises.
I feel sad for the other 6 that are now contracted but oh well it's never too late for coach lee to enhance his management skills.
Um, heres the promise. I will keep paying you as long as our sponsors continue to show support. We will be supported as long as our team shows results. Those results did not happen through their top players, FD and Trickster. So no, please dont insult TSL's coach, who came clean here and explained everything and sounds like an honest person.
Enormous respect for Coach Lee, Clide and SangHo. I wish TSL all the best. Hopefully sc2 will grow in Korea and TSL players may get the recognition and financial success they deserve. They surely have a fan in me. Can't say the same for EG.
So this is all because the Korean sc2 scene is not well established enough. Man, if sc2's popularity doesn't take off in Korea, I dont know what'll happen... If sc2 doesn't survive in korea then I fear for its international future.
On July 22 2011 13:05 leo23 wrote: good to see that puma made the run before it was too late. fruitdealer, trickster, puma and rain are now enjoying good salaries and coaches that can actually keep promises.
I feel sad for the other 6 that are now contracted but oh well it's never too late for coach lee to enhance his management skills.
Um, heres the promise. I will keep paying you as long as our sponsors continue to show support. We will be supported as long as our team shows results. Those results did not happen through their top players, FD and Trickster. So no, please dont insult TSL's coach, who came clean here and explained everything and sounds like an honest person.
pretty sure that the promise he made is not in that article. But don't let that stop you! Continue to assume everything that went around in that TSL house without really knowing anything.
On July 22 2011 13:11 LegendaryZ wrote: What they get back is the satisfaction that they helped build a team that succeeded and continued to provide opportunities for future gamers. You see chumps, I see reminders of how it was back in Brood War's infancy as an eSport.
Hopefully this time a round, the competition from foreign teams will prevent a kespa type organization from being able to form.
On July 22 2011 12:41 Vinx wrote: I may be a just an asshole but when I got to this part "At first, we wanted him on a contract, and so did the other teammates. But we did not feel it was necessary at the time since everyone showed so much passion and commitment. I trusted him, but now I am regretting my decision [to put off the contract] a little bit." I just went... .r u kidding, its the 2011.... that whole part about honor and respect is kinda gone... i'm sad about it too but still know its a reality.
People complained about the KESPA-way of doing things with iron clad contracts. They tried to be more relaxed/trusting in SC2, but it didn't work out and things are going to turn more into a KESPA situation in the future. Especially with teams like EG trying to poach top Korean players.
This, people seem to think SC2 pro team is a really big deal, while that is the case. I promise you the only actual benefit you get from it is getting to do what you love and get by out of it. Its certainly not rose coloured and we all know how many people have shown it may not be worth it.
At the moment SC2 is just one rung above the ladder of a bunch of ppl making a clan and getting sayyy sponsored by a cafe (this happens alot in countries were lan centers are the hub of gaming) you get sponsored, you get well known who play at your center for free and encourage people to play your sponsored team because theyre supposed to be good.
this in itself is enough motivation for people to play.. so its natural that outside of broodwar as in Pumas case it makes sense..
Korean kid likes to play games , goes to USA gets totally blown away by country and fans from said country, Its new, its exciting and the decision gets pretty simple.
and lets face it he gets to be a big fish in a small pond...
The fact of the matter is atleast as far as korea is concerned if SC2 does get as big you will have some form of regulation, right not its a pretty semi pro scene where your word and looking promising is probably the biggest thing you can offer to a sponsor.
I have ALOT of respect for Coach Lee and TSL. You guys who have seen "Hyung Joon becomes a Progamer" know what I'm talking about. IF you haven't seen it, you MUST watch this:
On July 22 2011 13:05 leo23 wrote: good to see that puma made the run before it was too late. fruitdealer, trickster, puma and rain are now enjoying good salaries and coaches that can actually keep promises.
I feel sad for the other 6 that are now contracted but oh well it's never too late for coach lee to enhance his management skills.
Um, heres the promise. I will keep paying you as long as our sponsors continue to show support. We will be supported as long as our team shows results. Those results did not happen through their top players, FD and Trickster. So no, please dont insult TSL's coach, who came clean here and explained everything and sounds like an honest person.
pretty sure that the promise he made is not in that article. But don't let that stop you! Continue to assume everything that went around in that TSL house without really knowing anything.
A bunch of very mannered answers, the guy seems nice and smart. I really hope that TSL gets their team back on their feet again, it would be a shame to see the whole team falling apart for good.
On July 22 2011 13:05 leo23 wrote: good to see that puma made the run before it was too late. fruitdealer, trickster, puma and rain are now enjoying good salaries and coaches that can actually keep promises.
I feel sad for the other 6 that are now contracted but oh well it's never too late for coach lee to enhance his management skills.
Um, heres the promise. I will keep paying you as long as our sponsors continue to show support. We will be supported as long as our team shows results. Those results did not happen through their top players, FD and Trickster. So no, please dont insult TSL's coach, who came clean here and explained everything and sounds like an honest person.
pretty sure that the promise he made is not in that article. But don't let that stop you! Continue to assume everything that went around in that TSL house without really knowing anything.
please continue to make vague statements without links so you can feel superior, that really helps advance the discussion
On July 22 2011 13:05 leo23 wrote: good to see that puma made the run before it was too late. fruitdealer, trickster, puma and rain are now enjoying good salaries and coaches that can actually keep promises.
I feel sad for the other 6 that are now contracted but oh well it's never too late for coach lee to enhance his management skills.
Um, heres the promise. I will keep paying you as long as our sponsors continue to show support. We will be supported as long as our team shows results. Those results did not happen through their top players, FD and Trickster. So no, please dont insult TSL's coach, who came clean here and explained everything and sounds like an honest person.
pretty sure that the promise he made is not in that article. But don't let that stop you! Continue to assume everything that went around in that TSL house without really knowing anything.
On July 22 2011 12:49 StyLeD wrote: EG.....nice on the outside, they seem like normal people, jackasses on the inside. I'm not supporting EG or Puma anymore...
I honestly hope their players get booed at MLG, I dont think they will take anything the community says seriously until their sponsors notice.
The players aren't involved in this, this would be just wrong in my opion. EG on the other hand "lost my support", not because that they signed (or will sign ...) Puma, just with their behavior towards this whole thing.
Also huge respect to Clide & SangHo for sticking to their team, even returning saleries to help the team. I liked them before, but that hardend it a bit more. Also nice to hear the background on the departure of Rain.
coach lee is a baller, i hope they can get some new talent on their team quickly, they are doing so well in the teamleague would be a shame if they cant reach the playoffs because of people leaving.
Wow, Puma and EG are looking really bad here. I guess since Puma wasn't contracted with TSL there isn't technically anything 'wrong' about this, but this whole transaction looks fishy and shows no class at all. Bad Puma! Long live clide and sangho!
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