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TSL's Coach Lee speaks out on PuMa - Page 6
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
What EG did wasn't illegal or anything, and Puma did what was best for him - but it doesn't make it any less dissapointing. Also, great to have some true words (although we all knew it) about the lackluster scene in Korea (and the difficulty for gamers there). | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On July 22 2011 13:20 Sultan.P wrote: Wow, Puma and EG are looking really bad here. I guess since Puma wasn't contracted with TSL there isn't technically anything 'wrong' about this, but this whole transaction looks fishy and shows no class at all. Bad Puma! Long live clide and sangho! ...What's wrong with Puma wanting A) a contract and B) to be payed? FFS whatever you think of Coach Lee and EG after all this don't go shitting on Puma. | ||
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generalyao
United States262 Posts
It unfortunately seems like at least right now, it's a zero sum game. Good for us (the foreigners) but not good for the korean scene. | ||
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spybreak
United States684 Posts
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
You are going to see more of this in SC2 because the money for SC2 isn't in Korea. The SC2 scene in Europe and NA is really booming and there is money there especially for the talented but 2nd tier Korean players. Puma can stay in Korea and do OK, or he can join EG and travel the world and be a stud and make money while it is there to be made. Now when I say the money is there it might not always be the big GSL payday, but there are so many more smaller tournaments with more spread prize pools that your chances of coming away with something are much greater. One thing with eSports, it can be a fickle beast. Games can really decline and potentially die at anytime. Right now SC2 seems to be doing well and there is money being put into it, players who are smart will do all they can to earn it while they can because you never know if that well might dry up. I think it is safe to say we'll enjoy SC2 for a long time with the expansions and all, but that doesn't always mean the money will be there just because the game is. Again, I think SC2 is going to really flourish as an eSport but I don't think it will be in Korea. I respect that a player like Clide stayed, but it is a decision he might regret. Loyalty is overrated because you are really banking on the other side reciprocating it at some point and that can be risky(it happens in sports all the time, one player remains loyal but gets hurt and then gets cut by the team he was loyal to, etc.) My last point, from interviews and what I can gather about how Korean players are treated I think this could be a good thing. I think Korean players are often talked about not even as people but borderline indentured servants. They have rigid practice schedules, live in tight quarters, have minimal pay.... and all that and you might never even make it to Code S where you can actually make some money. Puma isn't going through all this just because he feels like it. The offer he got had to be much better than his current situation because if it was just marginally better he probably stays. Now this isn't all the teams and I know some players are very comfortable but you hear in the interview they have players on TSL not even on a salary but a stipend? Seriously, you are surprised that players are leaving your team when he admits they are barely holding on to their sponsors, having money problems? Sounds to me like Puma was smart here and saw what was coming and made sure to take care of himself before this thing folded. | ||
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King of Kings
Germany481 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
I'm really hoping the sc2 team structure gets settled down soon. It's unacceptable that teams are still being run like WoW guilds at this level. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On July 22 2011 13:20 acidbean wrote: The players aren't involved in this, this would be just wrong in my opion. EG on the other hand "lost my support", not because that they signed (or will sign ...) Puma, just with their behavior towards this whole thing. Also huge respect to Clide & SangHo for sticking to their team, even returning saleries to help the team. I liked them before, but that hardend it a bit more. Also nice to hear the background on the departure of Rain. Ty @ wtreddit for translating! The only way to let EG know we don't like them is to take it out on their product: their players. It's not like they do anything big as a team effort. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
Now if they could live up to the Artosis hype. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On July 22 2011 13:20 acidbean wrote: The players aren't involved in this, this would be just wrong in my opion. EG on the other hand "lost my support", not because that they signed (or will sign ...) Puma, just with their behavior towards this whole thing. Also huge respect to Clide & SangHo for sticking to their team, even returning saleries to help the team. I liked them before, but that hardend it a bit more. Also nice to hear the background on the departure of Rain. Ty @ wtreddit for translating! The players are the most important part of the organization, you can't really support EG's players but not support EG. They don't care if you don't support the management as long as you support their players. | ||
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On July 22 2011 13:23 TheButtonmen wrote: ...What's wrong with Puma wanting A) a contract and B) to be payed? FFS whatever you think of Coach Lee and EG after all this don't go shitting on Puma. I guess you missed the part where he was supposedly part of a team decision to stay strong together after FD/Trickster left. Edit: Not that that confirms it, but from how the story was told, it does cast a little doubt on Puma, plus the part where he wasn't acting himself. He clearly had misgivings about the whole thing and probably feels bad. | ||
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daxile
Canada829 Posts
Blizzard dun goofed | ||
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panzer
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mr.grimm
Sweden63 Posts
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
Thanks for bringing this from Reddit, I don't really wade in those waters.  Coach Lee fighting, TSL fighting! | ||
kethers
United States719 Posts
On July 22 2011 13:26 aksfjh wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2011 13:20 acidbean wrote: The players aren't involved in this, this would be just wrong in my opion. EG on the other hand "lost my support", not because that they signed (or will sign ...) Puma, just with their behavior towards this whole thing. Also huge respect to Clide & SangHo for sticking to their team, even returning saleries to help the team. I liked them before, but that hardend it a bit more. Also nice to hear the background on the departure of Rain. Ty @ wtreddit for translating! The only way to let EG know we don't like them is to take it out on their product: their players. It's not like they do anything big as a team effort. True enough I suppose, less expose/fans and less purchase of EG-sponsored products hits them in the wallets where it hurts more than flames on a message board. (BTW, I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with the action) | ||
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
I just don't have a big problem with this I guess. Especially since it sounds like the coach made a pretty huge assumption about how far along the Puma/EG process was. | ||
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