EPTPuma leaves TSL for EG - Page 105
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Phyrful
United States248 Posts
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:14 seiferoth10 wrote: You're right, Puma should be stuck with TSL for life, no matter how shitty the situation gets. stop putting words in my mouth that's not even CLOSE to what i said... | ||
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Copenap
723 Posts
Afaik EG and FXO have by far the most money in their pockets in the foreigner scene but I feel like FXO is using it way way better than EG. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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Iroh
England48 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:13 Switchy wrote: Pretty funny  all this talk about growing esports etc. Then something happens which is the most common thing in the world of normal sports, player transfers, a lot of people get mad.Isnt a better environment for players what we want? If teams have to offer players more to keep them, the environment will get more professional. Teams that pay players have more demands --> more results possilby. In real sports teams make their players train their asses off, if this happens in sc2 as well we will get to see better games and results. But the way it was done was not normal. Completely different if the managers are not in the discussion. For all we know if EG had asked TSL it could of been the same outcome, TSL releasing him as EG are offering a better chance for him. But the fact they didn't changes it. TSL could of had plans for him, next thing they know he walks in asking to leave because another team offered him a much better deal, without any TSL contact. That is just wrong. | ||
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ICA
498 Posts
But for EG, this move is totally baller. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Seriously guys ill tell you something. This guy Puma,hes 19 years old,since the sc2 came out he has struggled to get into code A. Than what happens is he gets invited to this foreign event and wins 50 k $. He is 19 years old and he wins 50 k $(or 40 forgot what it was) in a foreign tournament,he goes home,looks at the pit of code B that takes a heroic effort to climb out of and code A which prize pool is just laughable,he looks at all that,and he takes the first fucking offer to join a foreign pro team that comes to you on the table.Can you blame him or EG? You people need a reality check. | ||
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K_Dilkington
Sweden449 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:15 RevOrchid wrote: Seriously, a real dick move by EG... oh well. I'm glad that Puma is becoming more and more recognized! how is it a dick move? | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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W2
United States1177 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:47 Duravi wrote: Sports do not work like most other jobs. This comparison is worthless. If you play in the NFL you can't just leave your team mid-season because another team offers you more money. Yeah teams =/= companies. There's a lot more loyalty involved, and also every team is in direct competition with each other. So the closest example for you (I would still refrain from using the team/company comparison) would be leaving AMD for Intel... or something | ||
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hYdrA-MeNo
Mexico344 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:12 Namu wrote: again, this argument is pointless, you and I just have different perspectives on morals i personally think TSL picked up puma when he was a nonamer in sc2, and provided him with structured practice/practice partner and a place to stay, eat, etc. and I also think the team should obviously be at least told when their player is being offered a position or something (again, not legally, but morally). i think everything would've been fine if TSL had just been notified DURING their talk, not after when Puma decided already. I get it with have a difference in opinion. But your argument is puma was provided with a house food and partners..... But puma provide them with recognition, his own ability people forget that all this stuff wasn't just handed to puma, puma gave something back in return so how does he owe tsl anything morally? and to say puma was a no name is pretty bad since you can say tsl was a no name team...... Especially since sks and fruitdealer left.... | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:17 TheKefka wrote: I really cant read thru all of these 100 pages but as far as i come i see people going on about the how EG is this big bad corporate engine that stole away innocent Puma and that Puma had no choice but to take the deal(lol?) Seriously guys ill tell you something. This guy Puma,hes 19 years old,since the sc2 came out he has struggled to get into code A. Than what happens is he gets invited to this foreign event and wins 50 k $. He is 19 years old and you win 50 k $(or 40 forgot what it was) in a foreign tournament,he goes home,looks at the pit of code B that takes a heroic effort to climb out of and code A which prize pool is just laughable,he looks at all that,and he takes the first fucking offer to join a foreign pro team that comes to you on the table.Can you blame him or EG? You people need a reality check. uhh actually from the look of things puma seems to be staying in korea, and traveling to foreign events. so yeah everything you just said is out the window... | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:14 FXOpen wrote: Catz and drewbie were in the loop there. It went like this. FXO says they will get team. FXO says "hi sheth" discussions start with sheth as intermediary, and sheth decides to join FXO. Catz and I remain on talking terms. QXC tells root "guys i need more financial support so I'll look for a team". Qxc comes to FXO, QXC decides to join FXO, and does so.. Drewbie catz and Boss get drunk at MLG together and much a laugh is had. I'm not saying catz drewbie etc and I are best friends. We obviously aren't. But there was no 'love lost' because of that situation. Thats because they were kept in the loop of whats going on. I.e ethical practice. I don't think scoots is the kind of guy who would be un-ethical (God i hope not) but what has been announced, from not only a business point of view (after all I am a business dick) but from a community point of view, is unethical. It damages reputations, it then may start a snowballing effect if legal disregard (in terms of contracts). It also encourages players to be a little bit more selfish, which sometimes can already be a problem. I am not saying its a bad sign up etc, or that EG is the demon of sc2. But from a corporate point of view, without paying a signing bonus to TSL etc, its incorrect. I usually don't do business with companies who are known for under the table head hunting.. A respected point of view. But you don't know the details so using TSL and EG as an example of this principle is misleading. We simply don't know what happened other than an emotional coaches forum post? twitter post? | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:14 FXOpen wrote: Catz and drewbie were in the loop there. It went like this. FXO says they will get team. FXO says "hi sheth" discussions start with sheth as intermediary, and sheth decides to join FXO. Catz and I remain on talking terms. QXC tells root "guys i need more financial support so I'll look for a team". Qxc comes to FXO, QXC decides to join FXO, and does so.. Drewbie catz and Boss get drunk at MLG together and much a laugh is had. I'm not saying catz drewbie etc and I are best friends. We obviously aren't. But there was no 'love lost' because of that situation. Thats because they were kept in the loop of whats going on. I.e ethical practice. I don't think scoots is the kind of guy who would be un-ethical (God i hope not) but what has been announced, from not only a business point of view (after all I am a business dick) but from a community point of view, is unethical. It damages reputations, it then may start a snowballing effect if legal disregard (in terms of contracts). It also encourages players to be a little bit more selfish, which sometimes can already be a problem. I am not saying its a bad sign up etc, or that EG is the demon of sc2. But from a corporate point of view, without paying a signing bonus to TSL etc, its incorrect. I usually don't do business with companies who are known for under the table head hunting.. But when you wanted to pick up Sheth and QXC, you actually talked to Sheth and QXC about it and not the ROOT managers right? The players on the team were the ones who let the managers know? Because it seems like that is what Coach Lee is upset about here. EG went and talked to Puma instead of Lee. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:14 FXOpen wrote: Catz and drewbie were in the loop there. It went like this. FXO says they will get team. FXO says "hi sheth" discussions start with sheth as intermediary, and sheth decides to join FXO. Catz and I remain on talking terms. QXC tells root "guys i need more financial support so I'll look for a team". Qxc comes to FXO, QXC decides to join FXO, and does so.. Drewbie catz and Boss get drunk at MLG together and much a laugh is had. I'm not saying catz drewbie etc and I are best friends. We obviously aren't. But there was no 'love lost' because of that situation. Thats because they were kept in the loop of whats going on. I.e ethical practice. I don't think scoots is the kind of guy who would be un-ethical (God i hope not) but what has been announced, from not only a business point of view (after all I am a business dick) but from a community point of view, is unethical. It damages reputations, it then may start a snowballing effect if legal disregard (in terms of contracts). It also encourages players to be a little bit more selfish, which sometimes can already be a problem. I am not saying its a bad sign up etc, or that EG is the demon of sc2. But from a corporate point of view, without paying a signing bonus to TSL etc, its incorrect. I usually don't do business with companies who are known for under the table head hunting.. While a respected team owners opinion on the matter is always welcome, the details of Puma's relationship with TSL are still incredibly nebulous, and you making business judgements based on what little evidence we have available does no one any good. Save the judgements until after we know exactly how things went down. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:17 TheKefka wrote: I really cant read thru all of these 100 pages but as far as i come i see people going on about the how EG is this big bad corporate engine that stole away innocent Puma and that Puma had no choice but to take the deal(lol?) Seriously guys ill tell you something. This guy Puma,hes 19 years old,since the sc2 came out he has struggled to get into code A. Than what happens is he gets invited to this foreign event and wins 50 k $. He is 19 years old and you win 50 k $(or 40 forgot what it was) in a foreign tournament,he goes home,looks at the pit of code B that takes a heroic effort to climb out of and code A which prize pool is just laughable,he looks at all that,and he takes the first fucking offer to join a foreign pro team that comes to you on the table.Can you blame him or EG? You people need a reality check. You completely missed the point that he was only able to win the 50k$ because his team made him good and the foreigners suck balls compared to the koreans. Joining the foreigners will make him bad and he won't get the price money and will sit there, next to incontrol, and as himself "Why are the good koreans stealing our prize money!?" I really don't want SC2 to fail but if this don't stop we will have the bubble bursting within the next few months because people recognize that the foreigners are just playing the game and the koreans actually practicing and taking it as a sports, which will conclude into KR being again the only place where SC2 matters and the foreigner scene moving on to the next game. | ||
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GuardianEU
Netherlands488 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:18 Namu wrote: uhh actually from the look of things puma seems to be staying in korea, and traveling to foreign events. so yeah everything you just said is out the window... not really, he still gets more money and will participate in more foreign events, which part of what he said is wrong now? | ||
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sandg
Australia123 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:18 farvacola wrote: While a respected team owners opinion on the matter is always welcome, the details of Puma's relationship with TSL are still incredibly nebulous, and you making business judgements based on what little evidence we have available does no one any good. Save the judgements until after we know exactly how things went down. Still it's important to have a perspective on the issue. | ||
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