EPTShe's feeding the trolls.
Fighting with people over the internet is stupid, they're just going to do it more. Better just to accept it as part of being internet-famous and ignore it.
Slayers_Jessica overreacting to flamers? - Page 69
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
She's feeding the trolls. Fighting with people over the internet is stupid, they're just going to do it more. Better just to accept it as part of being internet-famous and ignore it. | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
On July 21 2011 08:34 Subversion wrote: Lol how does her being trapped in gold mean nothing? If she can only get into gold through her placement matches, that's pretty terribad. You guys have to remember people aren't ragging on her 'cause she's a girl, they're ragging on her because she's a diamond player in one of the best competitive Starcraft 2 teams in the world. If this was a guy, people would be saying the same thing. The fact that she's a girl just makes the recruitment more suspicious. This thread also wouldn't exist if it was a guy, because the only reason people care she's getting internet-trolled is because she's a girl. If you go 5-0 in your placement matches and the ladder puts you into gold and the ladder is locked, how does that mean anything? If any western pro goes on the korean ladder right now, and happens to face 5 really bad players for their placement matches and ends up only placing in gold, would you say they are terrible too for something out of their control? | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On July 21 2011 09:05 Subversion wrote: I'm not being facetious, but what Jessica is doing wrong is this: She's feeding the trolls. Fighting with people over the internet is stupid, they're just going to do it more. Better just to accept it as part of being internet-famous and ignore it. In Korea, you need your korean ID for pretty much anything over the internet.So it's not stupid to fight people over the internet in Korea, especially to the extent of what some people have done to Jessica & Eve | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 21 2011 09:05 Phaded wrote: If you go 5-0 in your placement matches and the ladder puts you into gold and the ladder is locked, how does that mean anything? If any western pro goes on the korean ladder right now, and happens to face 5 really bad players for their placement matches and ends up only placing in gold, would you say they are terrible too for something out of their control? No, but if some player we've never heard of who is currently in gold gets picked up by a pro team, I would be rather surprised. Eve didn't go to Korea and have to start over from Grand Master, the ladder hasn't been locked for more than a few weeks at most to my knowledge, so at the time of recruitment she was around where she is now in terms of the League. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On July 21 2011 09:12 Mordiford wrote: No, but if some player we've never heard of who is currently in gold gets picked up by a pro team, I would be rather surprised. Eve didn't go to Korea and have to start over from Grand Master, the ladder hasn't been locked for more than a few weeks at most to my knowledge, so at the time of recruitment she was around where she is now in terms of the League. Lol, I'm not even a Masters player, just high diamond, and I have never, ever been placed in Gold. I don't know of anyone that's gone 5-0 and placed in Gold. It's besides the point anyway, she was in Diamond last season. Diamond is like being Bronze at the progamer level. | ||
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HydraLF
Hong Kong626 Posts
Ps drewbie got placed into plat recently after losing a game in his placement, does that make him na plat? (which is like bronze in kr). | ||
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Blueblox
Canada30 Posts
On July 21 2011 09:39 Subversion wrote: Lol, I'm not even a Masters player, just high diamond, and I have never, ever been placed in Gold. I don't know of anyone that's gone 5-0 and placed in Gold. It's besides the point anyway, she was in Diamond last season. Diamond is like being Bronze at the progamer level. Top Diamond on Korea is high masters NA/EU. has boxer ever disappointed anyone in who he picks in his team? Imagine she is going to boss when she starts practicing with these korean pros like MMA and alicia. | ||
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procyonlotor
Italy473 Posts
Then we'll know. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 21 2011 08:37 TheExile19 wrote: lacking some absurd honor culture that causes you to care about the opinions of others, freedom gives your detractors the ability to voice their opinion about you and you the freedom to not care at all. am I an ethnocentric American on this issue? oh yes. I've read this thread top to bottom and still can't even begin to imagine a situation where the thoughts of randoms on the internet could drive me to actual self-harm. I don't doubt the power of culture and historical precedent, but surely people can understand the evident skeptics in this thread. ignoring all of this, even assuming that we all agree that internet hatred is worth speaking out against, jessica should never have given this any publicity whatsoever. those trolls have gotten so much more attention than they ever hoped for, and it'll only fuel them to keep going. Are you actually calling another culture absurd? What right do you have to call another culture absurd, American? What makes you think just because you don't care about your own reputation that people from other country don't care about their reputation? I dare you call other cultures absurd. Do it I dare you to Honor is what makes a man who he is. Why do we need records, resume, recommendation to find jobs? it's our reputation, it's our honor that they're staking on to give us the job. And you dare go ahead and say caring about one's image is absurd? Freedom of opinion is one thing but intentional malicious attacks on one's reputation is intolerable and should be punished. I said before I know even you Americans have laws to prevent this. So it is utmost hypocrisy to say something like that is absurd. | ||
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TecNoPhi
United States25 Posts
I find that Koreans care a lot about their reputation and status. And I mean a lot. Insults and broken promises are not taken lightly. Criticism is usually presented in a very polite and careful manner, except in business where it's always tense and serious. | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On July 21 2011 10:09 Blasterion wrote: Are you actually calling another culture absurd? What right do you have to call another culture absurd, American? What makes you think just because you don't care about your own reputation that people from other country don't care about their reputation? I dare you call other cultures absurd. Do it I dare you to Honor is what makes a man who he is. Why do we need records, resume, recommendation to find jobs? it's our reputation, it's our honor that they're staking on to give us the job. And you dare go ahead and say caring about one's image is absurd? Freedom of opinion is one thing but intentional malicious attacks on one's reputation is intolerable and should be punished. I said before I know even you Americans have laws to prevent this. So it is utmost hypocrisy to say something like that is absurd. you seem just a little histrionic in every single one of your posts. furthermore, all I stated was that I don't understand, because logically I do not understand why people take internet trolls seriously, especially to the point of suicide. the excuse being made in this thread is that of culture, and if that is the case then it is evident I don't understand the culture, which is, assuming that there really is some sort of difference, a problem that I think many of us in this thread might share. you also don't really have an argument, and you seem a little confused about what makes an image - first you state it's this immaterial concept of "honor", and then you state it's reputation. those two terms aren't synonymous for so many reasons, most of which having to do with reputation being comprised of all the items that you seem to think it is not. finally, there's an obvious line between internet slander and slander that people will read and have access to. tasteless material on what I understand is the korean equivalent of 4chan is not material that employers 1) care about 2) have access to, let alone that the woman in question is in a profession tuned in to the internet/technology and that her peers know what obvious trolling is...except for jessica, apparently. | ||
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zala2023
United States228 Posts
On July 21 2011 10:00 procyonlotor wrote: I suggest everyone suspend judgement until we see her results. Then we'll know. THIS Once Eve take a game or two off someone in the GSTL with prepared cheese builds im sure all this hate will die. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On July 21 2011 10:37 zala2023 wrote: THIS Once Eve take a game or two off someone in the GSTL with prepared cheese builds im sure all this hate will die. Can't imagine the pressure to prove herself she must feel once it's time for her debut match. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On July 21 2011 10:34 TheExile19 wrote: you seem just a little histrionic in every single one of your posts. furthermore, all I stated was that I don't understand, because logically I do not understand why people take internet trolls seriously, especially to the point of suicide. the excuse being made in this thread is that of culture, and if that is the case then it is evident I don't understand the culture, which is, assuming that there really is some sort of difference, a problem that I think many of us in this thread might share. you also don't really have an argument, and you seem a little confused about what makes an image - first you state it's this immaterial concept of "honor", and then you state it's reputation. those two terms aren't synonymous for so many reasons, most of which having to do with reputation being comprised of all the items that you seem to think it is not. finally, there's an obvious line between internet slander and slander that people will read and have access to. tasteless material on what I understand is the korean equivalent of 4chan is not material that employers 1) care about 2) have access to, let alone that the woman in question is in a profession tuned in to the internet/technology and that her peers know what obvious trolling is...except for jessica, apparently. well that is about it: as much as you can't understand a different culture, it may be perfectly possible that your "american libertarian" stance is actually widely not understood by the rest of the world, where a human's freedom is limited once it intrudes that of others. it may be your personal crusade for people caring less about things in general, but as it stands they do. the very concept of society bases on human interaction, which must run off of reputation due to the impossibility of complete first-hand experience. regardless, your second part of argumentation points out significance and reach. this holds truth in some cases- but do mind that both the psychology and economy of modern culture phenomena is heavily dependent on its' course of distribution- which coincidentally is the internet. it is exactly counterproductive not to care in these cases. the very existence of a "pro-gamer" is nothing but a child of such a specific culture. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On July 21 2011 11:03 Valikyr wrote: Can't imagine the pressure to prove herself she must feel once it's time for her debut match. Cella to GomTV cameras: "Eve has practiced hard, so hard in fact that she is prepared to all-kill Incredible Miracle or else she will change her name to Cellarina" Eve: "T_T" | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On July 21 2011 08:34 Subversion wrote: Lol how does her being trapped in gold mean nothing? If she can only get into gold through her placement matches, that's pretty terribad. . But isnt in Korean server you can only go as high as gold after your placement matches ? as in even if you 5-0 and beat GM on all o fthem, they would still put you in gold ? | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
1. slayers eve has a diamond and a gold ID 2. there is no telling if slayers eve usually practices on ladder or only does custom games with practice partners 3. slayers eve is not a team member but only a trainee. if she wants to participate in code b or wants to be in gstl she has to pass the slayers internal contest 4. this thread is about the reactions of kim gayeon in this affair not about the qualification of slayers eve. even if she was chosen despite lacking skills it is no excuse to edit her face into pornographic material or calling slayers boxer a mental retard On July 21 2011 06:22 Sumwar wrote: I think someone going to prison for saying something other than a death threat or something equivalent to a death threat is ridiculous. I can't believe people in Korea print out pages of comments from the internet and can take them to the police. If we could do that in Canada all I would have to do is go to Youtube and thousands would be imprisoned. I wonder if anyone actually ends up going to prison over this or this is just a bunch of overhyped accusations that lead to no real punishments. you probably dont go to prison but you pay a penalty and thats it also defamation is a crime in many european countrys including germany as well | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On July 20 2011 21:46 starsucks wrote: In no way I approve photoshopping people in pornographic scenes. Seems disgraceful and inappropiate. I don't know if something like this illegal and will be prosecuted in the US or Western States. If it is in Korea she sould take actions. Its definately illegal in germany On July 20 2011 21:46 starsucks wrote: But suing people for expressing their opinion seems ridiculous to me. Slayers clearly picked Eve for attention. Attention is what she got. Definitely. That this attention can't all be positive should be more than clear. This is what you get for picking a completely unknown person with an unknown match and ladder history. Does she expect everybody to cheer? i am curious if you watched her games through vods or replays. Please provide a link | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On July 21 2011 09:49 Blueblox wrote: Top Diamond on Korea is high masters NA/EU. has boxer ever disappointed anyone in who he picks in his team? Imagine she is going to boss when she starts practicing with these korean pros like MMA and alicia. This argument is terrible on two levels. One - I disagree with your point. Korean server may be harder, but lets not exaggerate. Two - It doesn't matter if point one is true, because there are HUNDREDS of players in high masters/grand masters on the KOREAN server who would kill for a place in SlayerS. If she was a guy, she wouldn't have even been considered or noticed. This is clearly a gender-based recruitment. She probably won't see play in a single GSTL, she's going to end up becoming some kind of mascot. | ||
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