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On July 15 2011 16:30 IcedBacon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 16:20 FXOpen wrote:On July 15 2011 16:17 IcedBacon wrote:Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person. ...Talk to Wolf and Unstable? :p Tastosis is the most loved commentary duo by the foreigners, nothing needs to change. Sure there's some bad jokes and awkard moments but part of a caster's job is to be able to fill in time with random banter. It happens at MLG (even moreso), Dreamhack, IEM, whatever. Not really something to complain about. With that aside, nice writeup and glad everyone enjoys/enjoyed it there. You just proved my point  The random banter moments are only happening in foreign events. Koreans dont seem to have those moments. I love artosis and tasteless, consider them great people, and as my friends. But they do have moments of the 10%. Unstable is probably the least 'joking' of the casters out there but has other things to fix. I am working on a few things with him as we speak. Wolf has the joke problem. Doa, moletrap, kelly, pretty much every foreign caster really. Basically, my point is, when pitching sc2 to someone who isn't from SC2, they dont care if its tastosis, or even me commentating, the dumb jokes just make it look unprofessional... Hence my view they have to stop. Isn't that part of how things work in the West though? In sports there's plenty of breaks between plays, intermissions, whatever and the broadcasters will sometimes go off on a tangent or make a joke here and then. There will always be downtime and there's only so much you can say about previous games, the player, their team, whatever. There are some moments I wish Tasteless would cut his story short and start talking about something the observer just scrolled across in-game early on but the rest is enjoyable.
I agree as well. Part of the appeal of Tastosis is that they sometimes make jokes. I feel that it's not necessary do it exactly as the koreans since the west has a different culture. I think there should be a line though about the amount of jokes - I remember a cast between Wolf and QXC where I thought it was a little overboard.
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I really like the banter (read: LAME JOKES) coming from english commentators, it really makes the viewing experience more enjoyable. I would say as with one of the previous posters that WOLF is a bit critical of the players - especially with what he believes to be strategically correct. That would be my biggest annoyance with the casting.
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On July 15 2011 16:34 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 16:30 IcedBacon wrote:On July 15 2011 16:20 FXOpen wrote:On July 15 2011 16:17 IcedBacon wrote:Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person. ...Talk to Wolf and Unstable? :p Tastosis is the most loved commentary duo by the foreigners, nothing needs to change. Sure there's some bad jokes and awkard moments but part of a caster's job is to be able to fill in time with random banter. It happens at MLG (even moreso), Dreamhack, IEM, whatever. Not really something to complain about. With that aside, nice writeup and glad everyone enjoys/enjoyed it there. You just proved my point The random banter moments are only happening in foreign events. Koreans dont seem to have those moments. I love artosis and tasteless, consider them great people, and as my friends. But they do have moments of the 10%. Unstable is probably the least 'joking' of the casters out there but has other things to fix. I am working on a few things with him as we speak. Wolf has the joke problem. Doa, moletrap, kelly, pretty much every foreign caster really. Basically, my point is, when pitching sc2 to someone who isn't from SC2, they dont care if its tastosis, or even me commentating, the dumb jokes just make it look unprofessional... Hence my view they have to stop. Isn't that part of how things work in the West though? In sports there's plenty of breaks between plays, intermissions, whatever and the broadcasters will sometimes go off on a tangent or make a joke here and then. There will always be downtime and there's only so much you can say about previous games, the player, their team, whatever. There are some moments I wish Tasteless would cut his story short and start talking about something the observer just scrolled across in-game early on but the rest is enjoyable. I agree as well. Part of the appeal of Tastosis is that they sometimes make jokes. I feel that it's not necessary do it exactly as the koreans since the west has a different culture. I think there should be a line though about the amount of jokes - I remember a cast between Wolf and QXC where I thought it was a little overboard.
Its true on a communal extent. People love artosis and tasteless cos they are artosis and tasteless. They are gamers, for gamers.
Broader picture if money is to continue streaming into gaming, there has to be some level of professionalism where the sappy jokes are eliminated. As I stated, good jokes, are good. Good commentary is better. But there is no room for 'tasteless' or even 'vulgar' jokes. Its a somewhat bad image, and usually its the bad things people pick up on...
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Thanks so much for sharing this, very exciting read. When are you going to malaysia?
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FXO commentators (excluding wolf who is doing an awesome job) are to blame for the bad jokes at the english stream
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On July 15 2011 16:37 robih wrote:
FXO commentators (excluding wolf who is doing an awesome job) are to blame for the bad jokes at the english stream
So you are blaming unstable solely for bad jokes? Nice one dude. Troll elsewhere please.
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Where dat snitch at?37065 Posts
Was a long read. BUT DAMN WELL WORTH IT. Man I love Korea, and this post just strengthened that by a lot! Go go FXO!
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English casters have Tastosis and they do have awkward moments where they say something that might offend someone. I still think they are the most professional out of all the casters along with Day9. They are far better than QXC which is just fucking bizarre.
Seems like you had a good time in Korea. Some great insight seeing the trip through your eyes.
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On July 15 2011 16:27 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 16:17 IcedBacon wrote:Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person. ...Talk to Wolf and Unstable? :p JK. Anyways, Tastosis is the most loved commentary duo by the foreigners, nothing needs to change. Sure there's some bad jokes and awkard moments but part of a caster's job is to be able to fill in time with random banter. It happens at MLG (even moreso), Dreamhack, IEM, whatever. Not really something to complain about. With that aside, nice writeup and glad everyone enjoys/enjoyed it there. The main problem I have with the English casting is how they talk down to the players. Most casters are guilty of this, but especially Wolf, and most of the time he's not even strategically correct. I can hardly remember a game where he doesn't say how bad a certain player was when he's missing a drop in the main or just doesn't understand exactly what it is the player is doing. I don't mind a player being criticized when he is making blatant mistakes, but I do mind a player being criticized for the simple fact that he lost a battle, or is falling behind in the game when they are competing against some of the best players in the world.
Thissssss.
Wolf is good when he's on his game, but at times I find his commentary very irritating and condescending. Tastosis is somewhat the same way, but they are on the ball more often than not, which helps tremendously; when they aren't, however, I have the sudden urge to mute the stream. Either that or I just quit the stream to watch it later when it's cast by the Chinese casters (who joke far less but have more substance to their casting).
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I personally enjoy some of the jokes that Tastosis make, but also realize that 90% of the general population wouldn't get them. Compare this to ESPN, anyone can watch a game on ESPN and the commentators do not make "in" jokes. For E-Sports to become mainstream I think those sort of jokes need to be phased out.
Regarding caster criticism, I think it is needed to make the commentary interesting, but the tone of it needs to be changed a bit. Mistakes are mistakes and they should be pointed out, but the tone of the criticism could be less critical and more didactic.
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On July 15 2011 16:42 RedDeckWins wrote:
I personally enjoy some of the jokes that Tastosis make, but also realize that 90% of the general population wouldn't get them. Compare this to ESPN, anyone can watch a game on ESPN and the commentators do not make "in" jokes. For E-Sports to become mainstream I think those sort of jokes need to be phased out.
Regarding caster criticism, I think it is needed to make the commentary interesting, but the tone of it needs to be changed a bit. Mistakes are mistakes and they should be pointed out, but the tone of the criticism could be less critical and more didactic.
That goes against the point of CRITICISM (EMPHASIS!) from a caster perspective, otherwise you get your average twat saying everyone is good, that build is "interesting" (translation = terrible).
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Thanks for the info Boss, Great write up.
GL in the future Team FXO!
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I introduced GSL to a few people, and they loved Tastosis BECAUSE of the jokes. It's not unprofessional, it's just another way of doing it. Sports commentators come in all the colours of the rainbow.
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On July 15 2011 16:20 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 16:17 IcedBacon wrote:Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person. ...Talk to Wolf and Unstable? :p Tastosis is the most loved commentary duo by the foreigners, nothing needs to change. Sure there's some bad jokes and awkard moments but part of a caster's job is to be able to fill in time with random banter. It happens at MLG (even moreso), Dreamhack, IEM, whatever. Not really something to complain about. With that aside, nice writeup and glad everyone enjoys/enjoyed it there. You just proved my point The random banter moments are only happening in foreign events. Koreans dont seem to have those moments.
Have you considered that the English commentators are at the mercy of the Korean schedule? At least in GSL, the Korean commentators dictate the timing and flow, and the English commentators must adapt on the fly, which leads to those moments of randomness. Perhaps the commentators are not to blame, but the behind the scene staff. Just throwing ideas out there.
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On July 15 2011 16:45 Headnoob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 16:42 RedDeckWins wrote:
I personally enjoy some of the jokes that Tastosis make, but also realize that 90% of the general population wouldn't get them. Compare this to ESPN, anyone can watch a game on ESPN and the commentators do not make "in" jokes. For E-Sports to become mainstream I think those sort of jokes need to be phased out.
Regarding caster criticism, I think it is needed to make the commentary interesting, but the tone of it needs to be changed a bit. Mistakes are mistakes and they should be pointed out, but the tone of the criticism could be less critical and more didactic. That goes against the point of CRITICISM (EMPHASIS!) from a caster perspective, otherwise you get your average twat saying everyone is good, that build is "interesting" (translation = terrible).
English fail by me, I meant the other c- word, condescending 
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On July 15 2011 16:47 moose162 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 16:20 FXOpen wrote:On July 15 2011 16:17 IcedBacon wrote:Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person. ...Talk to Wolf and Unstable? :p Tastosis is the most loved commentary duo by the foreigners, nothing needs to change. Sure there's some bad jokes and awkard moments but part of a caster's job is to be able to fill in time with random banter. It happens at MLG (even moreso), Dreamhack, IEM, whatever. Not really something to complain about. With that aside, nice writeup and glad everyone enjoys/enjoyed it there. You just proved my point The random banter moments are only happening in foreign events. Koreans dont seem to have those moments. Have you considered that the English commentators are at the mercy of the Korean schedule? At least in GSL, the Korean commentators dictate the timing and flow, and the English commentators must adapt on the fly, which leads to those moments of randomness. Perhaps the commentators are not to blame, but the behind the scene staff. Just throwing ideas out there.
Thats why you have this..
Schedule
- General intro
- In case korean commentators excessively carry on, we do this
Rather than just playing it by ear. It would make things alot smoother. Thats how the koreans fill in gaps when there are technical problems.
At the same time. People are taking me a little out of context. I didnt say "STOP ALL JOKES".. I said "stop the crappy jokes"... Keep the good ones.. Talking about a kerrigan asking you on a date, is not funny.
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Woah, awesome read, very enlightening. I'm glad FXO guys are advancing, I'm really looking forward to them becoming serious competitors in some months.
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Are there any other sports where people like some commentators more than the players/teams?
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On July 15 2011 16:26 Blitz Beat wrote:
Off Topic: Whatever happened to Moonglade? He seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.
That's one of the dangers of living Down Under.
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This thread need to get more views asap. It's very informative and give good insights into the lives in Korea and as a Progamers. Good work boss.
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