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Player practice is one of the hardest things to organise in ones life. Being from certain 'lands of the free' and 'homes of the brave'. We are accustomed to pretty much doing whatever we want without recourse. Getting people from Western society into a solid practice regime took alot of time, and will power. But eventually we got it. Albeit, pretty much as I left, however success is success. I think the majority of FXO players now truly know what they have to put in, in order to be the best.
Someone mentioned recently about how the Westerners need the "western way" not the Korean way. I don't particularly agree with the phrasing on this. Purely because it should be "What works" and "what doesntt work". Rather than making it a somewhat racial issue. Which is what the community seems to be wanting to emphasize lately.
Great stuff right here. A lot of people don't realize that when foreign pros stream ladders games, they aren't really "practicing" per se. Pleasing the fans, getting more viewers, these sometimes take priority over devoting 100% focus to getting better at the game.
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A worthwhile read i recommend to all but i always do find FXOBosses insights to be very insightful and indeed we need people like him at the forfont of this endevour in order so that it can grow and evolve into somthing greater.
IN BOSS WE TRUST
(btw thanks for taking time out of your other pursuits to help contribute as well as provide money as it is only by the input of individuals like you that this will become serious).
Haters Gonna Hate FXO fighting.
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solid read
liked the bit about code a qualifiers, too many people think that you must suck if you "can't even qualify for code a."
also yeah, I noticed that low NA gm = mid masters on korea after laddering there. i'm only 1550 rated in korea masters. id imagine you would have to be a well known pro to get in korea gm.
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Awesome post BOSS, good job in Korea and hope you guys just get better and better so you can go back and show the koreans what FXO is all about.
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Yeah, I suppose the english casters aren't quite as professional yet, and honestly, artosis is quickly becoming one of the most biased casters out there. It's okay to have a favorite that you want to win, but showing it so blatantly on air during the game is just really unprofessional.
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On July 15 2011 17:22 FXOpen wrote:I left korea a week ago, because I have 4 businesses to run. FXO are still in korea, Most will leave after code A quals if they dont qualify. SLog Oz QXC will stay until 30th August. Then slog oz to malaysia and qxc to university.
Well then good luck with your future endeavors!
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Regarding the overall post
To be honest I was expecting something more interesting but I found the usual
"Koreans look depressed but they are really warm-welcoming people"
Believe it or not, that is the average idea most westerns get while in Asian countries such as Korea or Japan.
Regarding the skill-level difference
I agree that lots of NA GM would be low masters (or even less) but NA is also the weakest of the "big" servers (KR/EU both are > NA) so it's not really surprising.
Regarding the English casters
Personally I think Tastosis is perfectly fine (and absolutely the best) but I realize that everyone's taste is different.
Wolf could easily one of the best if he did not sound so critical so often and if he made less jokes.
The other "main" GOM casters have been average or below average which resulted in me not watching code A while Moletrap and DOA where casting.
Doa had no knowledge of the game and he made it so painful to watch.
He would say stuff like "Oh, this is so unusual I have never seen this before" while the P player is about to wall his ramp on the 3rd base on Metalopolis with gates and cannons.
One of the biggest polls here on TL had him as the least-favored caster (Just above Kelly) scoring more than 70% of "average" votes (even Moletrap did better) so I am extremely surprised he is coming back.
In general though, I agree with you that we need more "professionalism" in English casters, too many of them have such a poor understanding of the game (Doa is a big example) that it is really annoying to watch.
Regarding your posts
I respect FXO a lot because of what they are doing for esports but there is something I believe makes most of your posts look a little silly.
I have been reading TL for some months now and I noticed in so many of your messages you tend to "show off" how much you spend/pay for stuff you buy and/or want.
Whether it is for food, a flight or anything else it is extremely hilarious/goofy the way you brag about it. Even the post regarding Choya to MLG falls within the same "range"
From a psychological point of view there are several reasons why you do so and while I do not need to stay here to explain all of them to you or to the community I believe your posting-quality would benefit immensely if you stopped doing so.
To be more clear about it:
All this "money-talk" from an external point of view makes it look like you need to "compensate" (which it may very well be the case)
It is pretty well-known in the esports community that the majority of the players (and people) involved do not have a particularly high income (actually, quite the opposite); so you constantly telling us how much you spent left and right is a subconscious way to "show off" that you are not part of this group of people whose income is low.
As a professional who works in a field completely different from yours, I guarantee that it would be far more impressive if you did not do that.
That is something I wanted to tell you for some time now but I never had the chance to address it -mainly because I did not have an account on TL yet-
You believe that English casters have to stop the lame jokes to become professionals yet you fail to see that "showing off" on a board like TL how much money you spend makes people like me smile.
Please keep in mind that my criticism regarding this last issue comes from the respect that I have for FXO and what you guys are trying to do for Esports and not to bash you.
Keep it up with the great job.
Cheers
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awesome read, ty for the write up<3
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On July 15 2011 17:00 udgnim wrote:
this is my opinion
good casters can carry a bad set of games/matches SO FAR and a lot of it has to do with the side banter/jokes that may or may not be related to the actual game taking place.
maintaining a sense of professionalism is important but so is being able to maintain the entertainment value for the viewers. when a game isn't providing enough quality content to keep up a certain degree of entertainment, the source for entertainment tends to have to come from the casters to keep the audience interested and maintaining professionalism isn't always the best course to keep the audience interested.
I have no idea what the Korean audience desires from their casters, but I wouldn't be surprised if caster expectations are different between Korean & western audiences.
I agree with this, good banter is so necessary sometimes. I loved qxc's casting for this reason.
I think Tasteless and Artosis certainly have a good mix of off topic banter and actually talking about the games.
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yeah, tastosis does have that
and artosis is especially good at getting legitimately excited watching something unfold
edit: im curious about the korean commentators though, obviously not being able to understand korean means I've never tried to watch them, but I wonder what they talk about x.x
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nice write up
but about the english caster ..... arent you talking about your own team members ?
So what's stopping you from telling Wolf, QXC, etc to take it more seriously ?
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Seriously great read Boss.... ty man
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I noticed this aswell, as much as I like tastosis, the korean commentators seem to be true professionals on the job, even if I don't know the language, I can feel that in a physical way.
Maybe it's because they always, always wear official gsl-branded clothes? 
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On July 15 2011 17:41 sunman1g wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Regarding the overall post
To be honest I was expecting something more interesting but I found the usual
"Koreans look depressed but they are really warm-welcoming people"
Believe it or not, that is the average idea most westerns get while in Asian countries such as Korea or Japan.
Regarding the skill-level difference
I agree that lots of NA GM would be low masters (or even less) but NA is also the weakest of the "big" servers (KR/EU both are > NA) so it's not really surprising.
Regarding the English casters
Personally I think Tastosis is perfectly fine (and absolutely the best) but I realize that everyone's taste is different.
Wolf could easily one of the best if he did not sound so critical so often and if he made less jokes.
The other "main" GOM casters have been average or below average which resulted in me not watching code A while Moletrap and DOA where casting.
Doa had no knowledge of the game and he made it so painful to watch.
He would say stuff like "Oh, this is so unusual I have never seen this before" while the P player is about to wall his ramp on the 3rd base on Metalopolis with gates and cannons.
One of the biggest polls here on TL had him as the least-favored caster (Just above Kelly) scoring more than 70% of "average" votes (even Moletrap did better) so I am extremely surprised he is coming back.
In general though, I agree with you that we need more "professionalism" in English casters, too many of them have such a poor understanding of the game (Doa is a big example) that it is really annoying to watch.
Regarding your posts
I respect FXO a lot because of what they are doing for esports but there is something I believe makes most of your posts look a little silly.
I have been reading TL for some months now and I noticed in so many of your messages you tend to "show off" how much you spend/pay for stuff you buy and/or want.
Whether it is for food, a flight or anything else it is extremely hilarious/goofy the way you brag about it. Even the post regarding Choya to MLG falls within the same "range"
From a psychological point of view there are several reasons why you do so and while I do not need to stay here to explain all of them to you or to the community I believe your posting-quality would benefit immensely if you stopped doing so.
To be more clear about it:
All this "money-talk" from an external point of view makes it look like you need to "compensate" (which it may very well be the case)
It is pretty well-known in the esports community that the majority of the players (and people) involved do not have a particularly high income (actually, quite the opposite); so you constantly telling us how much you spent left and right is a subconscious way to "show off" that you are not part of this group of people whose income is low.
As a professional who works in a field completely different from yours, I guarantee that it would be far more impressive if you did not do that.
That is something I wanted to tell you for some time now but I never had the chance to address it -mainly because I did not have an account on TL yet-
You believe that English casters have to stop the lame jokes to become professionals yet you fail to see that "showing off" on a board like TL how much money you spend makes people like me smile.
Please keep in mind that my criticism regarding this last issue comes from the respect that I have for FXO and what you guys are trying to do for Esports and not to bash you.
Keep it up with the great job.
Cheers
Thanks for the post. I knew there was a little something that was disturbing while reading the original post, but I couldn't put my finger on it. (regarding the silliness of some posts)
Though, this does not say that the OP gave some very insightful views, and he receives much respect from it! I really liked the descriptions, thanks a lot for what you did, and thanks a lot for promoting e-sports!
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cool read thx for the compliments and coming out
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nvm.. wasting my time to reply to the post i had previous quoted.
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Great read, just before GSTL FXO vs fOu starts
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Awesome read - i find it funny how certain people like to criticize little things and totally miss the bigger picture... *shakes head*
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Good read. i really hope you will get a team down in the upcomming matches. that would be a great motivation and proof of improvement. good luck!
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i rearly post im more of a lurker,..  but thanks for the read Boss fxo are a credit to esports, and qxc is my hero, for the fans the read is insightfull! gl today vs fOu and waitng for some big wins in the future!
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