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Dave713
Profile Joined December 2010
United States46 Posts
July 15 2011 09:22 GMT
#101
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 15 2011 17:41 sunman1g wrote:
Regarding the overall post
To be honest I was expecting something more interesting but I found the usual
"Koreans look depressed but they are really warm-welcoming people"
Believe it or not, that is the average idea most westerns get while in Asian countries such as Korea or Japan.

Regarding the skill-level difference
I agree that lots of NA GM would be low masters (or even less) but NA is also the weakest of the "big" servers (KR/EU both are > NA) so it's not really surprising.

Regarding the English casters
Personally I think Tastosis is perfectly fine (and absolutely the best) but I realize that everyone's taste is different.

Wolf could easily one of the best if he did not sound so critical so often and if he made less jokes.

The other "main" GOM casters have been average or below average which resulted in me not watching code A while Moletrap and DOA where casting.

Doa had no knowledge of the game and he made it so painful to watch.
He would say stuff like "Oh, this is so unusual I have never seen this before" while the P player is about to wall his ramp on the 3rd base on Metalopolis with gates and cannons.

One of the biggest polls here on TL had him as the least-favored caster (Just above Kelly) scoring more than 70% of "average" votes (even Moletrap did better) so I am extremely surprised he is coming back.

In general though, I agree with you that we need more "professionalism" in English casters, too many of them have such a poor understanding of the game (Doa is a big example) that it is really annoying to watch.

Regarding your posts
I respect FXO a lot because of what they are doing for esports but there is something I believe makes most of your posts look a little silly.

I have been reading TL for some months now and I noticed in so many of your messages you tend to "show off" how much you spend/pay for stuff you buy and/or want.

Whether it is for food, a flight or anything else it is extremely hilarious/goofy the way you brag about it. Even the post regarding Choya to MLG falls within the same "range"

From a psychological point of view there are several reasons why you do so and while I do not need to stay here to explain all of them to you or to the community I believe your posting-quality would benefit immensely if you stopped doing so.

To be more clear about it:
All this "money-talk" from an external point of view makes it look like you need to "compensate" (which it may very well be the case)
It is pretty well-known in the esports community that the majority of the players (and people) involved do not have a particularly high income (actually, quite the opposite); so you constantly telling us how much you spent left and right is a subconscious way to "show off" that you are not part of this group of people whose income is low.

As a professional who works in a field completely different from yours, I guarantee that it would be far more impressive if you did not do that.
That is something I wanted to tell you for some time now but I never had the chance to address it -mainly because I did not have an account on TL yet-

You believe that English casters have to stop the lame jokes to become professionals yet you fail to see that "showing off" on a board like TL how much money you spend makes people like me smile.

Please keep in mind that my criticism regarding this last issue comes from the respect that I have for FXO and what you guys are trying to do for Esports and not to bash you.

Keep it up with the great job.

Cheers


Also, the FXO team logo says "When Money, Makes Money"
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
July 15 2011 09:24 GMT
#102
On July 15 2011 18:22 Dave713 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 15 2011 17:41 sunman1g wrote:
Regarding the overall post
To be honest I was expecting something more interesting but I found the usual
"Koreans look depressed but they are really warm-welcoming people"
Believe it or not, that is the average idea most westerns get while in Asian countries such as Korea or Japan.

Regarding the skill-level difference
I agree that lots of NA GM would be low masters (or even less) but NA is also the weakest of the "big" servers (KR/EU both are > NA) so it's not really surprising.

Regarding the English casters
Personally I think Tastosis is perfectly fine (and absolutely the best) but I realize that everyone's taste is different.

Wolf could easily one of the best if he did not sound so critical so often and if he made less jokes.

The other "main" GOM casters have been average or below average which resulted in me not watching code A while Moletrap and DOA where casting.

Doa had no knowledge of the game and he made it so painful to watch.
He would say stuff like "Oh, this is so unusual I have never seen this before" while the P player is about to wall his ramp on the 3rd base on Metalopolis with gates and cannons.

One of the biggest polls here on TL had him as the least-favored caster (Just above Kelly) scoring more than 70% of "average" votes (even Moletrap did better) so I am extremely surprised he is coming back.

In general though, I agree with you that we need more "professionalism" in English casters, too many of them have such a poor understanding of the game (Doa is a big example) that it is really annoying to watch.

Regarding your posts
I respect FXO a lot because of what they are doing for esports but there is something I believe makes most of your posts look a little silly.

I have been reading TL for some months now and I noticed in so many of your messages you tend to "show off" how much you spend/pay for stuff you buy and/or want.

Whether it is for food, a flight or anything else it is extremely hilarious/goofy the way you brag about it. Even the post regarding Choya to MLG falls within the same "range"

From a psychological point of view there are several reasons why you do so and while I do not need to stay here to explain all of them to you or to the community I believe your posting-quality would benefit immensely if you stopped doing so.

To be more clear about it:
All this "money-talk" from an external point of view makes it look like you need to "compensate" (which it may very well be the case)
It is pretty well-known in the esports community that the majority of the players (and people) involved do not have a particularly high income (actually, quite the opposite); so you constantly telling us how much you spent left and right is a subconscious way to "show off" that you are not part of this group of people whose income is low.

As a professional who works in a field completely different from yours, I guarantee that it would be far more impressive if you did not do that.
That is something I wanted to tell you for some time now but I never had the chance to address it -mainly because I did not have an account on TL yet-

You believe that English casters have to stop the lame jokes to become professionals yet you fail to see that "showing off" on a board like TL how much money you spend makes people like me smile.

Please keep in mind that my criticism regarding this last issue comes from the respect that I have for FXO and what you guys are trying to do for Esports and not to bash you.

Keep it up with the great job.

Cheers


Also, the FXO team logo says "When Money, Makes Money"


LOL
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
July 15 2011 09:29 GMT
#103
On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:

CODE A QUALIFIERS.

[...] It is an experience to boost expectations, to understand how good you truly are or truly can be, and to understand that sometimes someone is better than you. I almost had a heart attack at the event, and I was just watching (my games didn't last very long TYVM zenex player). But I had alot more pleasure watching players play.[...]


lol poor boss getting pwnt by timing pushes or cheese xD.

"MC" -> Master of Ceremonies xD
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
July 15 2011 09:30 GMT
#104
Really interesting read. Just made me wanna visit korea more then before, which I thought was not possible :D
Yes I am
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
July 15 2011 09:38 GMT
#105
Another GSTL, another all kill of team FXO...

"En taro adun, Executor."
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 15 2011 09:41 GMT
#106
Thanks for the insight... the the comments about english commentating seemed.... interesting. Either you were criticizing casters from your own team (Wolf, qxc, Unstable) or Tastosis (lol?) about their jokes... so... yeah. It didn't sound very hostile, but it just seemed strange that you would comment on them laughing at their own jokes in public.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
July 15 2011 09:42 GMT
#107
On July 15 2011 18:41 Chicane wrote:
Thanks for the insight... the the comments about english commentating seemed.... interesting. Either you were criticizing casters from your own team (Wolf, qxc, Unstable) or Tastosis (lol?) about their jokes... so... yeah. It didn't sound very hostile, but it just seemed strange that you would comment on them laughing at their own jokes in public.


I am criticising my own casters sure, as well as all the others. It seems a trend amongst all casters who have sat in the hot seat.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
DarKcS
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1237 Posts
July 15 2011 09:43 GMT
#108
After reading this, I want dumplings.
Die tomorrow - Live today
entocheets
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia367 Posts
July 15 2011 09:44 GMT
#109
Great post! Thanks for the insight into the "Korean Experience," really interesting. Would love to be there when Code A qualifiers are taking place, reading that part sorta gave me chills.
##creepers 4 lyf
Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
July 15 2011 09:47 GMT
#110
Great post, thanks for putting this up.
What i know is that I know nothing - [http://twitter.com/UncleKerm]
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
July 15 2011 09:49 GMT
#111
Theres alot of public drunkeness on any single night and it seems like there is some sort of hidden pain in the country.


That is a very sharp observation and I'm surprised you noticed something like that. cause it's quite true:O
TheNihilist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States178 Posts
July 15 2011 09:49 GMT
#112
On July 15 2011 18:42 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 18:41 Chicane wrote:
Thanks for the insight... the the comments about english commentating seemed.... interesting. Either you were criticizing casters from your own team (Wolf, qxc, Unstable) or Tastosis (lol?) about their jokes... so... yeah. It didn't sound very hostile, but it just seemed strange that you would comment on them laughing at their own jokes in public.


I am criticising my own casters sure, as well as all the others. It seems a trend amongst all casters who have sat in the hot seat.


The only reason I watch FXO GSTL games is for the Tastosis jokes and random banter. We already know what the results will be, after all.
sc2guy
Profile Joined November 2010
291 Posts
July 15 2011 10:03 GMT
#113
Highlight: Watching the world cry at our FXOteam account being in platinum, whilst tgun and the likes are playing players in High masters and grandmasters. Players such as rainbow, slayers_legalmind, nuclearfOu, and of course NEXPuzzle. It showed to me, the world really doesn't know what matters in Starcraft 2. I hope this ads some insight.


I don't understand this part (esp. in bold). Can somebody please rephrase it for me?
✿◕‿◕✿ Taeng
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 15 2011 10:06 GMT
#114
On July 15 2011 19:03 sc2guy wrote:
Show nested quote +
Highlight: Watching the world cry at our FXOteam account being in platinum, whilst tgun and the likes are playing players in High masters and grandmasters. Players such as rainbow, slayers_legalmind, nuclearfOu, and of course NEXPuzzle. It showed to me, the world really doesn't know what matters in Starcraft 2. I hope this ads some insight.


I don't understand this part (esp. in bold). Can somebody please rephrase it for me?


I believe he's saying that they are playing those sort of players on ladder but still ranked in platinum due to the ladder lock. Might be incorrect of course and I am just mis understanding it.

Its hard to rank up on Korea, I went from gold (5-0 on placement) to diamond to masters. Where on EU I placed platinum 5-0 on ladder, then got masters after like 15 games or something skipping diamond.
When I think of something else, something will go here
setmeal
Profile Joined March 2011
162 Posts
July 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#115
I hope that the korean experience has been beneficial for the players and that they have grown significantly from this. I am sorry to say that it has not been fun for me watching FXO getting trashed in the team league. Hopefully, as your players skill improve, we can actually see some decent games.
AllSalesFinal
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States211 Posts
July 15 2011 10:25 GMT
#116
Your team outlook is truly incredible. I hope your team house experience goes incredible and your players realize how good they actually have it with an organization like you guys. I would be on a plain tomorrow and drop everything to practice 12 hours a day given the opportunity, but you know... bills. =) GL HF in your future guys and I will always root for you guys! FXO FAIGHTING!
| MMA | Flash | Polt |
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
July 15 2011 10:41 GMT
#117
Samgyupsal is amazing isn't it? :D
Benga
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 11:04:58
July 15 2011 10:52 GMT
#118
Foreigners get treated very well in Korea there's alot of advantage living as a white guy in Korea.
I hate when they treat Westerns extra polite and superior than others which is dumb.
hi
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
July 15 2011 11:04 GMT
#119
I would agree with what sunman1g posted to an extent, most people probably won't give an honest opinion in this thread as they're intimidated by everyone with a face recognizable outside the forum.

Its fine giving your own opinion, but you shouldn't be saying every foreign caster has a "problem" which needs to be fixed, and that you can be the one to fix it and give them pointers, when its not your field.

You should really drop the wild comparisons between ladders which I've only seen you repeat before, if someone seriously said korean platinums are equaling high-masters on NA it's going to be dismissed as trolling anywhere else. (and for that one nerd raging right now, Destiny is stuck in platinum because of ladder lock)

Also some of what you labelled as Fact: was opinion, like what a true practice schedule is. 12 hours a day is a bad way to disintegrate a tendon.

Toodles.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 15 2011 11:17 GMT
#120
love you boss! ESPORT shall forever remember your name
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
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