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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
Thanks for all you are doing and good luck with FXO | ||
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
On July 15 2011 20:21 FXOpen wrote: I dont want to argue with you. But it sounds like reality hasn't exactly caught up with you. Although a rare few foreigners would go to korea and immediately play well. The ladder is what it is. Most of my team will back me up in saying that. In terms of practice. Most korean teams I spoke to do 12-14 hours a day practice, 6-7 days a week. Thats why they are BETTER. even the guys at the PCbang will do 10 hour sessions. Caster debate could go on for years. I only look at things from a business perspective, what will make money come into the sport of starcraft 2. Not what will make fans happy. Some companies require their image to be maintained at the highest professional level. Some casters do not do that. I simply said 10% of what they do has to change. Whilst, some of what you have labelled "Fact" was opinion, which you are entitled to. You shouldn't go dismissing the community. Saying that they are afraid to speak their opinion. Its easier to criticise when the public eye is not on you. Playing well is relative, but I think you'll agree they wouldn't be put in platinum league and its a hyperbolic comparison. I'm aware of the time Korean teams can put in to SC2, but my point was more about the idea of a true practice session HAS to be a minimum of 8 hours labelled as a fact. We know that training for a long time isn't simply why they are BETTER than us at SC2, this is indicated by certain foreigners playing 10 hours a day and not reaching the same level. Just as icing on the cake 12 hours will have long term effects I'm sure, given time. Arguing from the business perspective is a tricky one, some businesses have varying opinions and are willing to put up with unproffesional people under circumstances. Sports & eSports casting / playing are basically forms of entertainment and have a lower requirement for professionalism, as professionalism doesn’t always mean entertaining. I’m not sure I’d think of Tastosis as the most professional casters when they’re joking around but they are the most entertaining to me. I like that you're turning my own argument against me but it doesn't quite stick as I didn't label what I said as fact. | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
True story tho, more facts, more seriousness!  But I think he's reffering to Qxc aswell ^^ Qxc! You seriously need to cut down on your jokes! | ||
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fush
Canada563 Posts
guys, just because everyone (including me) loves tastosis doesn't mean they're infallible and don't have room to improve. i'm sure they realize that themselves, but we have to as well. boss makes some good points that would certainly improve the quality of any cast, so there's no need to give him shit or act overly defensive just because he happens to mention certain casters. | ||
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The_Dark
South Africa222 Posts
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madrod
Australia66 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 15 2011 20:35 Taf the Ghost wrote: I think "largest amount of artillery in the world pointed at your head every moment" probably has a *lot* to do with it. This is why North Korea is such a huge problem. (For those not in the know, North Korea's army is a joke and South Korea could roll them in probably 2 weeks. The issue is that NK has pretty much the world's largest artillery force and it could bombard Seoul in about 30 minutes. It's their trump card in the situation. Civilian death toll could pass 100k if they went to war.) It has nothing to do with that lol It's a cultural defect coming from Korea's long history | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
 I kinda agree that the jokes/banter can get a bit much, but not because they lack the funny, but rather because it sometimes comes at the expense of commentating. To take an example you have the one minte (+) talk about Marines stopping Banshee missiles with their shields (Optimus vs Bomber) and Marines loosing arms and whatnot. It's entertaining to listen to, but I'd rather have them focus more on what's going on, and what the observer is showing us. I'm not going to put words in Artosis' mouth, but he said on State of the Game that when they are commentating long days and lots of matches, he ends up getting tired and rambling (one of the points he liked about NASL [ie. that he didn't have to commentate that many matches in a row]). I'm sure some TL statistics guy will go back and look at all the GSL vods to find out where the bulk of their jokes are, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the last few matches of each day. In the end, I'll take Tastetosis with banter over all of the other casters out there, Tastetosis sharp and on the ball though, that's a level above.  | ||
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vanhio
Niue1017 Posts
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
My experience of living abroad in a similar culture is that when you first arrive you treat it as a holiday, and it takes many months before you settle down and the influence of the local work ethic causes you to work harder as a matter of course. I also think the fact that TL players are living and training so closely with a korean team helps them become adapted to the mindset and lifestyle of the Korean progamers. With FXO all living together, being exited about living abroad, it's not a good environment for hard work. I wonder however how long per day at the computer is optimal for SC2 development. If you haven't already I think you should talk to professional musicians and people involved in training athletes. I think there are many techniques which could be transferred over to progaming training. I agree with you about casting. I wish casters at GSL would sound as though they have actually prepared stuff before starting their cast, instead of just turning up and busking it. Don't you think that Day9 & DJwheat (MLG) and also CatsPajamas & Painuser (IPL) are actually doing quite a professional job? Have you seen these? | ||
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pompey606
United Kingdom98 Posts
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On July 15 2011 22:37 deathly rat wrote: + Show Spoiler + I respect what you are trying to do Boss, but do you think that your team is putting in what they need to in order to compete with the best Korean players? My experience of living abroad in a similar culture is that when you first arrive you treat it as a holiday, and it takes many months before you settle down and the influence of the local work ethic causes you to work harder as a matter of course. I also think the fact that TL players are living and training so closely with a korean team helps them become adapted to the mindset and lifestyle of the Korean progamers. With FXO all living together, being exited about living abroad, it's not a good environment for hard work. I wonder however how long per day at the computer is optimal for SC2 development. If you haven't already I think you should talk to professional musicians and people involved in training athletes. I think there are many techniques which could be transferred over to progaming training. I agree with you about casting. I wish casters at GSL would sound as though they have actually prepared stuff before starting their cast, instead of just turning up and busking it. Don't you think that Day9 & DJwheat (MLG) and also CatsPajamas & Painuser (IPL) are actually doing quite a professional job? Have you seen these? From what i've seen from FXO's stream (I tune in everytime I can) they are all putting a lot of time and effort in order to improve and be able to compete with the best Koreans. Of course they didn't do so well in the GSTL but that was expected. Give them more time to practice in Korea and I'm sure they can do great. They also have Oz who is used to the "Korean way of training" Edit: Some spelling stuff | ||
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darkyaourt
France28 Posts
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UnitedKronos
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