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ZestyPickle
Profile Joined July 2011
United States104 Posts
July 15 2011 12:24 GMT
#141
Thanks boss, I always enjoy your posts because they have a certain intelligrnce and undersyanding of the real world and the business side of things. Too many people cant look at your posts rayionally and always pick stupid arguments with you instead of respecting how much we can learn from both your experiences in korea and your experience in the business world.

Thanks for all you are doing and good luck with FXO
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 12:30:00
July 15 2011 12:26 GMT
#142
On July 15 2011 20:21 FXOpen wrote:
I dont want to argue with you. But it sounds like reality hasn't exactly caught up with you.

Although a rare few foreigners would go to korea and immediately play well. The ladder is what it is. Most of my team will back me up in saying that.

In terms of practice. Most korean teams I spoke to do 12-14 hours a day practice, 6-7 days a week. Thats why they are BETTER. even the guys at the PCbang will do 10 hour sessions.

Caster debate could go on for years. I only look at things from a business perspective, what will make money come into the sport of starcraft 2. Not what will make fans happy. Some companies require their image to be maintained at the highest professional level. Some casters do not do that. I simply said 10% of what they do has to change.

Whilst, some of what you have labelled "Fact" was opinion, which you are entitled to. You shouldn't go dismissing the community. Saying that they are afraid to speak their opinion.
Its easier to criticise when the public eye is not on you.


Playing well is relative, but I think you'll agree they wouldn't be put in platinum league and its a hyperbolic comparison.

I'm aware of the time Korean teams can put in to SC2, but my point was more about the idea of a true practice session HAS to be a minimum of 8 hours labelled as a fact. We know that training for a long time isn't simply why they are BETTER than us at SC2, this is indicated by certain foreigners playing 10 hours a day and not reaching the same level. Just as icing on the cake 12 hours will have long term effects I'm sure, given time.

Arguing from the business perspective is a tricky one, some businesses have varying opinions and are willing to put up with unproffesional people under circumstances. Sports & eSports casting / playing are basically forms of entertainment and have a lower requirement for professionalism, as professionalism doesn’t always mean entertaining. I’m not sure I’d think of Tastosis as the most professional casters when they’re joking around but they are the most entertaining to me.

I like that you're turning my own argument against me but it doesn't quite stick as I didn't label what I said as fact.
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
July 15 2011 12:29 GMT
#143
Tastosis got hurt ;'(

True story tho, more facts, more seriousness! But I think he's reffering to Qxc aswell ^^ Qxc! You seriously need to cut down on your jokes!
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fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
July 15 2011 12:35 GMT
#144
great post!

guys, just because everyone (including me) loves tastosis doesn't mean they're infallible and don't have room to improve. i'm sure they realize that themselves, but we have to as well. boss makes some good points that would certainly improve the quality of any cast, so there's no need to give him shit or act overly defensive just because he happens to mention certain casters.
The_Dark
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa222 Posts
July 15 2011 12:37 GMT
#145
Congrats man, you set the path for many teams to follow.
madrod
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia66 Posts
July 15 2011 12:47 GMT
#146
great post! I would've loved some pictures though!!
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 15 2011 12:49 GMT
#147
Thanks for the writeup FXOboss. I enjoyed reading about your experience thoroughly. Lol at tgun being a transvestite. Not that I'd want to cut into the FXO players' practice time or other responsibilities but it would be awesome if we could get some words from them about their personal experiences sometime later on.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 15 2011 12:52 GMT
#148
Awesome post, spotlighted so people won't miss this!
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:37:29
July 15 2011 13:07 GMT
#149
On July 15 2011 20:35 Taf the Ghost wrote:
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On July 15 2011 18:49 Milkis wrote:
Theres alot of public drunkeness on any single night and it seems like there is some sort of hidden pain in the country.


That is a very sharp observation and I'm surprised you noticed something like that. cause it's quite true:O


I think "largest amount of artillery in the world pointed at your head every moment" probably has a *lot* to do with it. This is why North Korea is such a huge problem.

(For those not in the know, North Korea's army is a joke and South Korea could roll them in probably 2 weeks. The issue is that NK has pretty much the world's largest artillery force and it could bombard Seoul in about 30 minutes. It's their trump card in the situation. Civilian death toll could pass 100k if they went to war.)


It has nothing to do with that lol

It's a cultural defect coming from Korea's long history
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
July 15 2011 13:26 GMT
#150
Awesome read. I really like how you laid out the truth of how tough the Korean ladder is. Also how humbling it is to realize how good you truly are in the world of SC2. Whenever someone can bow down and realize their shortcomings and learn how to improve themselves with every fiber of their being, I find it to be an extremely respectful thing.
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
July 15 2011 13:32 GMT
#151
Highlight: Sheth crying the first night there because he missed his mommy.
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loladin
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway184 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:34:28
July 15 2011 13:32 GMT
#152
Awesome post FXOBoss!

I kinda agree that the jokes/banter can get a bit much, but not because they lack the funny, but rather because it sometimes comes at the expense of commentating.

To take an example you have the one minte (+) talk about Marines stopping Banshee missiles with their shields (Optimus vs Bomber) and Marines loosing arms and whatnot. It's entertaining to listen to, but I'd rather have them focus more on what's going on, and what the observer is showing us.

I'm not going to put words in Artosis' mouth, but he said on State of the Game that when they are commentating long days and lots of matches, he ends up getting tired and rambling (one of the points he liked about NASL [ie. that he didn't have to commentate that many matches in a row]). I'm sure some TL statistics guy will go back and look at all the GSL vods to find out where the bulk of their jokes are, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the last few matches of each day.

In the end, I'll take Tastetosis with banter over all of the other casters out there, Tastetosis sharp and on the ball though, that's a level above.
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:37:00
July 15 2011 13:34 GMT
#153
Tastosis are the best foreign casters, Yes there is always room to improve, but i dont think these so called "stupid" jokes are the problem. For example when Idra is commentating is awsome, his game knowledge is unbelievable, but his cast is kinda dry.. Its like a really good report but fun is missing. Im paying for every gsl/gstl season to watch the best players in the world and to watch these really funny guys, i hope they never change !
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
July 15 2011 13:36 GMT
#154
Great post, thanks for sharing.
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
July 15 2011 13:37 GMT
#155
I respect what you are trying to do Boss, but do you think that your team is putting in what they need to in order to compete with the best Korean players?

My experience of living abroad in a similar culture is that when you first arrive you treat it as a holiday, and it takes many months before you settle down and the influence of the local work ethic causes you to work harder as a matter of course.

I also think the fact that TL players are living and training so closely with a korean team helps them become adapted to the mindset and lifestyle of the Korean progamers. With FXO all living together, being exited about living abroad, it's not a good environment for hard work.

I wonder however how long per day at the computer is optimal for SC2 development. If you haven't already I think you should talk to professional musicians and people involved in training athletes. I think there are many techniques which could be transferred over to progaming training.

I agree with you about casting. I wish casters at GSL would sound as though they have actually prepared stuff before starting their cast, instead of just turning up and busking it. Don't you think that Day9 & DJwheat (MLG) and also CatsPajamas & Painuser (IPL) are actually doing quite a professional job? Have you seen these?
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pompey606
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom98 Posts
July 15 2011 13:40 GMT
#156
Very insightful Boss, thanks
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valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
July 15 2011 13:42 GMT
#157
Awesome post indeed. Even if FXO got schooled badly in the GSTL, they now definitely aware of the fact, what need to be done, in order to be successful in this game.
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Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:47:12
July 15 2011 13:43 GMT
#158
On July 15 2011 22:37 deathly rat wrote:
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I respect what you are trying to do Boss, but do you think that your team is putting in what they need to in order to compete with the best Korean players?

My experience of living abroad in a similar culture is that when you first arrive you treat it as a holiday, and it takes many months before you settle down and the influence of the local work ethic causes you to work harder as a matter of course.

I also think the fact that TL players are living and training so closely with a korean team helps them become adapted to the mindset and lifestyle of the Korean progamers. With FXO all living together, being exited about living abroad, it's not a good environment for hard work.

I wonder however how long per day at the computer is optimal for SC2 development. If you haven't already I think you should talk to professional musicians and people involved in training athletes. I think there are many techniques which could be transferred over to progaming training.

I agree with you about casting. I wish casters at GSL would sound as though they have actually prepared stuff before starting their cast, instead of just turning up and busking it. Don't you think that Day9 & DJwheat (MLG) and also CatsPajamas & Painuser (IPL) are actually doing quite a professional job? Have you seen these?


From what i've seen from FXO's stream (I tune in everytime I can) they are all putting a lot of time and effort in order to improve and be able to compete with the best Koreans. Of course they didn't do so well in the GSTL but that was expected. Give them more time to practice in Korea and I'm sure they can do great. They also have Oz who is used to the "Korean way of training"

Edit: Some spelling stuff
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darkyaourt
Profile Joined April 2011
France28 Posts
July 15 2011 13:46 GMT
#159
Great post, thanks for the insight !
UnitedKronos
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
139 Posts
July 15 2011 13:53 GMT
#160
Really good read, GL FXO ^_^
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